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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 17 2012, 05:40 PM

Hi JesseJ!! Welcome to your http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=43110&st=40&start=40 thread!!

Could you please tell me a bit about you, your musical tastes, influences, strengths and weaknesses? I would need some videos of you playing rhythm and solo guitar, so please post your best material here. If you have some music or ideas of your own, also post them here. Also let me know how you think that I can help you and what are your expectations for our job. You can check the other Army's thread to discover the different modalities of this project.


The principles of our Army are:

+ Improve your technique
+ Make music and solos
+ Have fun
+ Destroy the enemy (hahaha not realy just kidding... )

Posted by: JesseJ Mar 28 2012, 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 17 2012, 04:40 PM) *
Hi JesseJ!! Welcome to your http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=43110&st=40&start=40 thread!!

Could you please tell me a bit about you, your musical tastes, influences, strengths and weaknesses? I would need some videos of you playing rhythm and solo guitar, so please post your best material here. If you have some music or ideas of your own, also post them here. Also let me know how you think that I can help you and what are your expectations for our job. You can check the other Army's thread to discover the different modalities of this project.


The principles of our Army are:

+ Improve your technique
+ Make music and solos
+ Have fun
+ Destroy the enemy (hahaha not realy just kidding... )

Right now I still don't have any footage or recording's of me playing , I still need to figure out how to record but I am working on that smile.gif As far as playing solo's goes I only know a few that I have learnt on here .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 28 2012, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Mar 28 2012, 12:21 PM) *
Right now I still don't have any footage or recording's of me playing , I still need to figure out how to record but I am working on that smile.gif As far as playing solo's goes I only know a few that I have learnt on here .



Ah ok mate, what gear/software do you have to record? Maybe I can help you...

Posted by: JesseJ Mar 30 2012, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 28 2012, 03:56 PM) *
Ah ok mate, what gear/software do you have to record? Maybe I can help you...

I have a Macbook Pro and that's it sad.gif Although I wouldn't mind buying a recording system of some sort .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Mar 30 2012, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Mar 30 2012, 11:40 AM) *
I have a Macbook Pro and that's it sad.gif Although I wouldn't mind buying a recording system of some sort .


ok, there are two options. The first one would be to buy a recording interface like M-audio fast-track and use your amp with a mic in front of it connected to the m-audio (or connecting directly you guitar to the sound card and use a software emulator like Guitar Rig). The other option would be to get a Line Pod that works as guitar emulator and also as recording interface. It's not the most professional option to record but it makes the job really good. what do you think?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 2 2012, 03:47 PM

[quote name='Gabriel Leopardi' date='Mar 30 2012, 03:30 PM' post='577068']
ok, there are two options. The first one would be to buy a recording interface like M-audio fast-track and use your amp with a mic in front of it connected to the m-audio (or connecting directly you guitar to the sound card and use a software emulator like Guitar Rig). The other option would be to get a Line Pod that works as guitar emulator and also as recording interface. It's not the most professional option to record but it makes the job really good. what do you think?
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I like the option of a mic the best smile.gif I did some research and the M-AUDIO site is pretty cool ! it looks like I could get all the gear I need to record for under $200 ! I have borrowed a friends line 6 floor pod before and didn't really like it so I don't really want to go that route . Although which one will give you the best quality of sound ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 2 2012, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 2 2012, 11:47 AM) *
I like the option of a mic the best smile.gif I did some research and the M-AUDIO site is pretty cool ! it looks like I could get all the gear I need to record for under $200 ! I have borrowed a friends line 6 floor pod before and didn't really like it so I don't really want to go that route . Although which one will give you the best quality of sound ?


Great! Fast Track and Fast Track Pro would me my choice. Both has great quality for the price. The difference between both is mainly the quantity of inputs. Let me know which one you choose!

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 2 2012, 10:57 PM

Well not to sure yet but I like the Fast Track Pro better I think because it has more inputs smile.gif . Is there any specific type of Mic you would recommend for recording ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 3 2012, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 2 2012, 06:57 PM) *
Well not to sure yet but I like the Fast Track Pro better I think because it has more inputs smile.gif . Is there any specific type of Mic you would recommend for recording ?


I think that Shure SM-57 is great for electric guitar. It's a versatile mic so you can use it for acoustic, other instruments and even for some vocals. It's not the best option for vocals but it does the job.

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 3 2012, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 3 2012, 02:05 PM) *
I think that Shure SM-57 is great for electric guitar. It's a versatile mic so you can use it for acoustic, other instruments and even for some vocals. It's not the best option for vocals but it does the job.


Would I need to get a mic stand so I could have the mic in the middle of the amp or could I just lay it in front of the amp ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 3 2012, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 3 2012, 12:08 PM) *
Would I need to get a mic stand so I could have the mic in the middle of the amp or could I just lay it in front of the amp ?


Yes! It would be important to have a stand to put the mic in a good position. Check out this video where you will find an interesting tutorial about this:




Posted by: JesseJ Apr 4 2012, 04:04 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 3 2012, 05:23 PM) *
Yes! It would be important to have a stand to put the mic in a good position. Check out this video where you will find an interesting tutorial about this:



WOW !!!! haha there is ALOT of different sounds in the video ! I get the point though I need a mic stand !

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 4 2012, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 4 2012, 12:04 AM) *
WOW !!!! haha there is ALOT of different sounds in the video ! I get the point though I need a mic stand !



hahaa yeah! You really need it! smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 4 2012, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 4 2012, 03:24 PM) *
hahaa yeah! You really need it! smile.gif


Yup smile.gif I need to save some money though I don't even have an amp yet . I am currently borrowing a friends Marshall class 5. I am thinking of getting a mesa boogie express 5:50 . What kind of amp or amps do you have ? and btw what is this secret you want to tell me ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 4 2012, 05:44 PM

I use a Line 6 Pod HD 500 for the lessons and also as a multiFx to play live. With my band I play with a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier head and a Marshall 1960b cabinet. I also have an old Marshall mod 8080 that nowadays I only use for practising at home.

The only secret here is PRACTICE. smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 4 2012, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 4 2012, 04:44 PM) *
I use a Line 6 Pod HD 500 for the lessons and also as a multiFx to play live. With my band I play with a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier head and a Marshall 1960b cabinet. I also have an old Marshall mod 8080 that nowadays I only use for practising at home.

The only secret here is PRACTICE. smile.gif


Haha yes practice is very necessary !!! My Hand is sore today from playing so much !! and that rarely happens to me . I think it is because I was playing alot with my pinky finger on the low E string and it is quite a stretch . Also I play standing up 99% of the time and then I find it harder to reach the low E with my pinky .

Oh and btw you got some nice gear smile.gif I really like Mesa Boogie stuff and marshall so you got the best of both worlds !

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 5 2012, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 4 2012, 07:50 PM) *
Haha yes practice is very necessary !!! My Hand is sore today from playing so much !! and that rarely happens to me . I think it is because I was playing alot with my pinky finger on the low E string and it is quite a stretch . Also I play standing up 99% of the time and then I find it harder to reach the low E with my pinky .

Oh and btw you got some nice gear smile.gif I really like Mesa Boogie stuff and marshall so you got the best of both worlds !



Great man! Playing too much?? Excellent mate! smile.gif smile.gif Practising standing up is very important since that how you will play live. I use to do it the more than I can.

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 5 2012, 09:09 PM

[quote name='Gabriel Leopardi' date='Apr 5 2012, 04:40 PM' post='577960']
Great man! Playing too much?? Excellent mate! smile.gif smile.gif Practising standing up is very important since that how you will play live. I use to do it the more than I can.


Yah my friend told me I should practice standing up that way whenever you play live you are used to it . Or then there is the people who wear there guitars so high up and it looks really funny smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 5 2012, 11:15 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 5 2012, 05:09 PM) *
Great man! Playing too much?? Excellent mate! smile.gif smile.gif Practising standing up is very important since that how you will play live. I use to do it the more than I can.


Yah my friend told me I should practice standing up that way whenever you play live you are used to it . Or then there is the people who wear there guitars so high up and it looks really funny smile.gif



the famous ScarfGuitar!! tongue.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 7 2012, 05:25 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 5 2012, 10:15 PM) *
the famous ScarfGuitar!! tongue.gif tongue.gif


Haha yah smile.gif I like my guitar down below my belt . So about the army thread I need to save some money before I can buy recording equipment but I can start practicing something ? I am an beginner/intermediate guitarist so I will probably have to practice for a while .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 7 2012, 11:23 PM

Hi mate! Here I will post some basic things that you should start working.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42825
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=42828

Besides this, you could choose a lesson from the archive level 2 to 4 that you like musically, and start working on it. One that combines rhythm with some easy soloing. Please tell me your favourite bands and I will help you choosing it.

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 9 2012, 06:40 PM

I will start working on that warmup and alternate picking right away . As far as anther lesson goes Cosmin already has me working on 4 other ones so my plate is kinda full . My favorite bands ? Well I have so many it is hard to say ! But I really like Nickelback , gun's roses , A Day To Remember , Disciple, Some Rise against stuff ,and Red .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 9 2012, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 9 2012, 02:40 PM) *
I will start working on that warmup and alternate picking right away . As far as anther lesson goes Cosmin already has me working on 4 other ones so my plate is kinda full . My favorite bands ? Well I have so many it is hard to say ! But I really like Nickelback , gun's roses , A Day To Remember , Disciple, Some Rise against stuff ,and Red .



That sounds good to me. Please also post the lessons that you record here. wink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 10 2012, 01:03 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 9 2012, 05:49 PM) *
That sounds good to me. Please also post the lessons that you record here. wink.gif


I currently still have no way of recording but I think I might get the fast track II . Right now it is the most affordable option because I can plug my guitar straight into it and I wont need any software since my mac has garageband . problem is I live in a small town and I dont get a chance to get to the city very often . But I will try and get one asap .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 10 2012, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 9 2012, 09:03 PM) *
I currently still have no way of recording but I think I might get the fast track II . Right now it is the most affordable option because I can plug my guitar straight into it and I wont need any software since my mac has garageband . problem is I live in a small town and I dont get a chance to get to the city very often . But I will try and get one asap .


Ok! That sounds good! What's your guitar level (based on GMC lessons) ?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 10 2012, 08:10 PM

I am not quite sure what my guitar level is I think like about a 2-4 or so.
I finally managed to figure out a way to record smile.gif the sound quality isn't that great but it will have to do for now.
here is a cover I recorded . Let me know what you think.

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/lifesong-7


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 11 2012, 04:37 PM

Hi mate! Nice cover! Your performance is really good on this one! I notice that the take has some room reverberation that affects the overall quality... how did you record it?

What about the lessons that you are working?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 11 2012, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 11 2012, 03:37 PM) *
Hi mate! Nice cover! Your performance is really good on this one! I notice that the take has some room reverberation that affects the overall quality... how did you record it?

What about the lessons that you are working?



I found out my Macbook has a built in microphone so I used that + garageband.

So I was debating wether or not to put that cover up because I really didn't like the second part of the solo but I thought then you could see the soloing level I'm at and we could work from there smile.gif

I am working on memorizing the warmup and alternate picking exercises . They are quite fun smile.gif I should have them memorized in a day or 2 , so what would you like me to start working on after that ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 13 2012, 01:34 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 11 2012, 02:20 PM) *
I found out my Macbook has a built in microphone so I used that + garageband.

So I was debating wether or not to put that cover up because I really didn't like the second part of the solo but I thought then you could see the soloing level I'm at and we could work from there smile.gif

I am working on memorizing the warmup and alternate picking exercises . They are quite fun smile.gif I should have them memorized in a day or 2 , so what would you like me to start working on after that ?



Great! Could you please record you playing the exercises?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 13 2012, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 13 2012, 12:34 AM) *
Great! Could you please record you playing the exercises?



Okay here they are split into three parts , that way I didn't have to start all over every time I made a mistake.

The first part I found the hardest , but the other 2 parts were almost as difficult . There are a few mistakes 2 or 3 times I was off on the timing and a few times I hit the wrong notes , So it's not perfect but here you go smile.gif best I could do considering this is only the third day I have been playing this warmup .

Cheers:)

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/warmup

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/warmup-part-3

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 14 2012, 05:12 PM

Hi mate! The three takes sound good. Considering that you only played this for 3 days you are doing a great job! Please keep on playing this exercises every day and let's incorporate a more musical lesson to make the practice more funny and also to let me check your playing over a backing track. What about this one?

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-II/



Posted by: JesseJ Apr 14 2012, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 14 2012, 04:12 PM) *
Hi mate! The three takes sound good. Considering that you only played this for 3 days you are doing a great job! Please keep on playing this exercises every day and let's incorporate a more musical lesson to make the practice more funny and also to let me check your playing over a backing track. What about this one?

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Pop-Punk-II/


Hey thanks for the feedback smile.gif The first thing I do is play through all the exercises twice every time I pick up my guitar. Haha A year from now it will only take my like 1 minute to play em all !

I love that lesson smile.gif I already went through I just cant quite yet play it at the tempo that you did . My only problem is I'm not sure how to play over a backing track ?!?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 16 2012, 05:28 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 14 2012, 03:12 PM) *
Hey thanks for the feedback smile.gif The first thing I do is play through all the exercises twice every time I pick up my guitar. Haha A year from now it will only take my like 1 minute to play em all !

I love that lesson smile.gif I already went through I just cant quite yet play it at the tempo that you did . My only problem is I'm not sure how to play over a backing track ?!?



Every lesson includes a backing track player in the right side of the video player. Have you noticed it? Is that the problem? or the problem is that you don't know how to record a take using the backing tracks.. ?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 16 2012, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 16 2012, 04:28 AM) *
Every lesson includes a backing track player in the right side of the video player. Have you noticed it? Is that the problem? or the problem is that you don't know how to record a take using the backing tracks.. ?


The problem is I don't how to record a take using the backing track .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 16 2012, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 16 2012, 11:34 AM) *
The problem is I don't how to record a take using the backing track .


The best way would be to use a multitrack software like Reaper or Cubase. You add the backing track in a stereo track and record your take inm another track while you hear the backing.

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 18 2012, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 16 2012, 03:52 PM) *
The best way would be to use a multitrack software like Reaper or Cubase. You add the backing track in a stereo track and record your take inm another track while you hear the backing.


Haha I guess this means I have to spend more money and get recording software now .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 18 2012, 03:32 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 18 2012, 11:18 AM) *
Haha I guess this means I have to spend more money and get recording software now .


not really. There are some free solutions. Check out this one:

http://www.reaper.fm/


Posted by: JesseJ Apr 20 2012, 05:49 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 18 2012, 02:32 PM) *
not really. There are some free solutions. Check out this one:

http://www.reaper.fm/


So I downloaded the trial version of reaper and I opened it for the first time . Then it say it tell's me that I have the demo version that you are allowed to get for 30 days and I have been trying it out for 23 days already and opened it twice ?!? It only went downhill from there . I tried recording something but I have no idea where it "records" from . like my previous take was with the built in mic from my mac but I don't think reaper will let me do that .
So Currently I am kinda stuck sad.gif I might just have to stick to recording on my mac for now .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 20 2012, 05:14 PM

Hi mate! Check out this thread. I think that it could help you.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=14963


Posted by: JesseJ Apr 21 2012, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 20 2012, 04:14 PM) *
Hi mate! Check out this thread. I think that it could help you.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=14963


Okay Thanks I will have to look into that. For now though I figured out how to record with the backing track on garageband So without further delay here it is smile.gif

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/pop-punk-style-2


I dont like the way My mac records the power chords so sorry that it doesn't sound that great at that part . Let me know what you think !

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 21 2012, 08:35 PM

Hi man! Thanks for this take. You learnt the lesson correctly but it needs some days of practice. You have to try to avoid muting some notes from the arpeggio melodies and also to make the chords changes smoother. Regarding the distorted chords, there is something wrong every time you play the third chord, please check that chord in the tab and compare to what you are playing. Continue playing this lesson during this week and concentrate on those things.

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 22 2012, 05:47 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 21 2012, 07:35 PM) *
Hi man! Thanks for this take. You learnt the lesson correctly but it needs some days of practice. You have to try to avoid muting some notes from the arpeggio melodies and also to make the chords changes smoother. Regarding the distorted chords, there is something wrong every time you play the third chord, please check that chord in the tab and compare to what you are playing. Continue playing this lesson during this week and concentrate on those things.


Hi . Thanks for the feedback ! I will keep working on that lesson this week and Fix that 3rd chord . I will try to put another take up on wednesday smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 23 2012, 05:45 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 22 2012, 01:47 AM) *
Hi . Thanks for the feedback ! I will keep working on that lesson this week and Fix that 3rd chord . I will try to put another take up on wednesday smile.gif



Perfect! I'll wait for the take! wink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 26 2012, 03:01 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 23 2012, 04:45 AM) *
Perfect! I'll wait for the take! wink.gif



Okay I checked that third power chord in the video and you said it is a G and I was playing a G . Anyway here is my other take . I messed up a tiny bit in the beginning but other than that I like the take . So as far as I know that is the only mistake I made . So once again it is not perfect ,I can keep working on it if you like . I just wanted to post another take so you can hear where I'm at .


http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/pop-punk

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 26 2012, 07:01 PM

Hi mate! Thanks for this new take! It's a great decision to post your progress the more frequent possible. I can notice an improvement comparing this take with the previous one. You are more comfortable with the sections. There are some wrong notes here and there but the overall is ok. Keep on practising it for some days, and let's start working on a new one! Do you have any lesson in mind?

Posted by: JesseJ Apr 26 2012, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 26 2012, 06:01 PM) *
Hi mate! Thanks for this new take! It's a great decision to post your progress the more frequent possible. I can notice an improvement comparing this take with the previous one. You are more comfortable with the sections. There are some wrong notes here and there but the overall is ok. Keep on practising it for some days, and let's start working on a new one! Do you have any lesson in mind?


Hey! thanks for the feedback smile.gif I will keep practicing that lesson . Another lesson ... well I was thinking i would like to learn some more about arpeggios I don't know much about them other than that they are a broken chord , but I see you can do some cool stuff with them so I would like to dig into that . I personally like to not just learn a song but then also analyze it and learn what they used and did to make the different parts and such so that way I will learn how to improvise . Like I want to know why and what i'm playing . I know people who can play cool stuff but have no idea what they are doing they just learnt a tab , Whereas I want to be like " what am I playing ? oh that is a lick in G minor pentatonic or that is a C major arpeggio" . Because I think that way I will learn how to improvise and write music better .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 26 2012, 11:51 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Apr 26 2012, 03:45 PM) *
Hey! thanks for the feedback smile.gif I will keep practicing that lesson . Another lesson ... well I was thinking i would like to learn some more about arpeggios I don't know much about them other than that they are a broken chord , but I see you can do some cool stuff with them so I would like to dig into that . I personally like to not just learn a song but then also analyze it and learn what they used and did to make the different parts and such so that way I will learn how to improvise . Like I want to know why and what i'm playing . I know people who can play cool stuff but have no idea what they are doing they just learnt a tab , Whereas I want to be like " what am I playing ? oh that is a lick in G minor pentatonic or that is a C major arpeggio" . Because I think that way I will learn how to improvise and write music better .


Great thinking mate! Let's go for it. I have this idea, we work in parallel in musical lessons and also in some theory lessons, and we will analyse together what's happening in the musical lessons. I will give you some suggestions but please tell me what you know about theory.

What do you think?


Posted by: JesseJ Apr 27 2012, 04:59 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 26 2012, 10:51 PM) *
Great thinking mate! Let's go for it. I have this idea, we work in parallel in musical lessons and also in some theory lessons, and we will analyse together what's happening in the musical lessons. I will give you some suggestions but please tell me what you know about theory.

What do you think?


Well My theory is pretty good . Let me see I'm not to sure where to start . I know the the major/minor scales and how to make them . Such as the whole step/half step stuff . I understand the theory behind making chords but I still cant make them at will on the guitar .Like I know 5th and 6th string barre chords and most open chords but I cant make a chord using theory yet I just know the shapes and such But I can make them on the piano . I know how to read music ( like real music not tabs ) I played piano for a while, I just don't know how to look at a piece of sheet music and play it on the guitar . I understand timing and rests and can read them ( also a by-product of piano ) Intervals are kind of a grey area to me . I was kinda looking into the cycle of keys but I never really finished that I think they move in 5th intervals when going in sharps and 4th's when going in flats but not to sure. I know that we play music in keys and each key has it's different degrees which make different chords such as a G chord in the key of Cmaj is a Maj chord but in the key of A it is a diminshed chord ( I think ) . So I guess I would say I have good basic understanding of theory . I have studied it a fair amount though because I figured that is how I would get good . My problem is my theory is all self taught so applying it isn't the best sad.gif Like I know scales and how to make them but my solos ( or attempts at them ) don't sound good at all . idk if you remember my song I first posted with that little solo I made up . So that is pretty much it . i worked through a few theory books and like i said I have played piano for 2 years so I do know some theory smile.gif I just want to learn how to apply it better .

You might have an easier time judging my theory knowledge if you asked me some questions .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Apr 27 2012, 04:25 PM

It's a good idea but instead of making questions, let's choose a song that you like and I want you to analize it. Please post some options and I will help you choose. Also I would like to continue working on musical lessons but this time also concentrating on how it was composed. Then I will give you some lessons or links to continue learning theory. What do you think?

Posted by: JesseJ May 14 2012, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 27 2012, 03:25 PM) *
It's a good idea but instead of making questions, let's choose a song that you like and I want you to analize it. Please post some options and I will help you choose. Also I would like to continue working on musical lessons but this time also concentrating on how it was composed. Then I will give you some lessons or links to continue learning theory. What do you think?



Hello ! sorry I haven't been in contact but I was gone in mexico for vacation smile.gif. Anyhow did you want me to pick a song off here to analyze or just any song ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 14 2012, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 14 2012, 12:06 PM) *
Hello ! sorry I haven't been in contact but I was gone in mexico for vacation smile.gif. Anyhow did you want me to pick a song off here to analyze or just any song ?


Please post here at least 5 songs that you like and I will tell you how to analyze them.


Posted by: JesseJ May 14 2012, 11:31 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 14 2012, 03:28 PM) *
Please post here at least 5 songs that you like and I will tell you how to analyze them.



Have faith in me - A Day To Remember
Rise today - Alter Bridge
Sweet Child of Mine - Gun's n roses
Kiss it Goodbye - Nickelback
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd skynyrd
Heels over head - Boys like girls
Someday - Nickelback

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 15 2012, 03:23 PM

Well, this is the method that I use to analyze songs. I study lots of songs using this template and then compare all of them and try to create theories and conclusions about the tools more used in different styles/bands/songs that I like:


Song Analysis:

Name of the song:
Name of the band:

Structure // What is happening? // Chords & Scales

Structure: You will divide the tune in Intro - Riff - Verse - Prechorus- - Chorus - Solo - Part C and so... You can add the letters A, B, C to the sections when you find different ones in the same tune (Ex: Verse A, Verse B, Chorus, Solo A, Solo .

what is happening?: Here you will describe each part. You can explain how is the part, if it has vocals, screams, melodies, harmonizations, how much is last, how many measures, etc. Every information that could be useful to understand the part.

Chords & Scales: Here you will post the tonality, the chord progression and the scales used for the melodies and solos.


Posted by: JesseJ May 16 2012, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 15 2012, 02:23 PM) *
Well, this is the method that I use to analyze songs. I study lots of songs using this template and then compare all of them and try to create theories and conclusions about the tools more used in different styles/bands/songs that I like:


Song Analysis:

Name of the song:
Name of the band:

Structure // What is happening? // Chords & Scales

Structure: You will divide the tune in Intro - Riff - Verse - Prechorus- - Chorus - Solo - Part C and so... You can add the letters A, B, C to the sections when you find different ones in the same tune (Ex: Verse A, Verse B, Chorus, Solo A, Solo .

what is happening?: Here you will describe each part. You can explain how is the part, if it has vocals, screams, melodies, harmonizations, how much is last, how many measures, etc. Every information that could be useful to understand the part.

Chords & Scales: Here you will post the tonality, the chord progression and the scales used for the melodies and solos.



I just have one little problem , My ear isn't good enough to hear what chords or what riff is being played . I cant even tell what key the song is in .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 17 2012, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 16 2012, 02:01 PM) *
I just have one little problem , My ear isn't good enough to hear what chords or what riff is being played . I cant even tell what key the song is in .



Ok, let's go together. Which of the songs would you like to analyze first?

Posted by: JesseJ May 17 2012, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 17 2012, 03:14 PM) *
Ok, let's go together. Which of the songs would you like to analyze first?



I would like to analyze kiss it goodbye by Nickelback first. They are my favorite band, and I would absolutly love to be able to play there music and emulate there style .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 18 2012, 12:42 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 17 2012, 06:17 PM) *
I would like to analyze kiss it goodbye by Nickelback first. They are my favorite band, and I would absolutly love to be able to play there music and emulate there style .



Ok, let's go for the structure first. Could you please describe here the different sections? Intro - Verse - Pre-Chorus - Chorus - Solo. How many? Were do they appear? How many times?

Posted by: JesseJ May 18 2012, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 17 2012, 11:42 PM) *
Ok, let's go for the structure first. Could you please describe here the different sections? Intro - Verse - Pre-Chorus - Chorus - Solo. How many? Were do they appear? How many times?


Here is the order:
Intro
Verse
Prechorus
Chorus
Intro
Verse
Prechorus
Chorus
Bridge
Instrumental ( which is the intro part )
Chorus
Bridge

The intro is played 3 times it opens the song gets played again after the first chorus and gets played again after the bridge of the second chorus

There are only 2 verse's the prechorus follows right after them and is also only played 2 times

The Chorus is played 3 times and the last 2 times it is played there is something added to it you could call it a bridge or just an exstension of the chorus I'm not sure what it is actually called .

I'm gone camping this weekend but I will be back on monday smile.gif


Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 18 2012, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 18 2012, 02:40 PM) *
Here is the order:
Intro
Verse
Prechorus
Chorus
Intro
Verse
Prechorus
Chorus
Bridge
Instrumental ( which is the intro part )
Chorus
Bridge

The intro is played 3 times it opens the song gets played again after the first chorus and gets played again after the bridge of the second chorus

There are only 2 verse's the prechorus follows right after them and is also only played 2 times

The Chorus is played 3 times and the last 2 times it is played there is something added to it you could call it a bridge or just an exstension of the chorus I'm not sure what it is actually called .

I'm gone camping this weekend but I will be back on monday smile.gif


Excellent! Now, you will check this lesson and then try to discover the key of the song:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Determining-The-Key-Of-A-Song/

Posted by: JesseJ May 18 2012, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 18 2012, 05:46 PM) *
Excellent! Now, you will check this lesson and then try to discover the key of the song:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Determining-The-Key-Of-A-Song/


okay I only had about 20 min cause I am leaving for camping now so skimmed through the video i will go over it better once I get back .
I think the song is in the key of D in drop D tuning ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 20 2012, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 18 2012, 05:36 PM) *
okay I only had about 20 min cause I am leaving for camping now so skimmed through the video i will go over it better once I get back .
I think the song is in the key of D in drop D tuning ?



Ok mate! Let me know when you are back. wink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ May 21 2012, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 20 2012, 07:54 PM) *
Ok mate! Let me know when you are back. wink.gif



Just got back today . Haha camping was freezing ! Anyway I will take a closer look at that video now wink.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 22 2012, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 18 2012, 05:36 PM) *
okay I only had about 20 min cause I am leaving for camping now so skimmed through the video i will go over it better once I get back .
I think the song is in the key of D in drop D tuning ?



no, the song is not in D.

Posted by: JesseJ May 24 2012, 01:41 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 22 2012, 04:54 PM) *
no, the song is not in D.


Hi Gabriel smile.gif

In the Video you said to look at Ivan says the best way to figure out the key of a song is using modes . Which I don't know much about , So I am currently learning all the modes . So I might need a few extra days or more to learn and understand all the modes and then I will get right back to our project of analyzing songs ! which I am quite excited about ! I have always wanted to learn to analyze bands and styles smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi May 24 2012, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ May 23 2012, 09:41 PM) *
Hi Gabriel smile.gif

In the Video you said to look at Ivan says the best way to figure out the key of a song is using modes . Which I don't know much about , So I am currently learning all the modes . So I might need a few extra days or more to learn and understand all the modes and then I will get right back to our project of analyzing songs ! which I am quite excited about ! I have always wanted to learn to analyze bands and styles smile.gif


Cool! I'm so glad of reading this mate! That's a great decision, please keep me updated. Here you have some more info:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=3160

and this video:


Posted by: JesseJ May 31 2012, 10:29 PM

Hi Gabe smile.gif Sorry it has been so long . Thanks so much for posting that video !! It was exactly what I needed ! I am now 99 percent sure that I have the key .

A major smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 2 2012, 10:27 PM

Hi Gabe.

I finished Ivans finding the key to a song video, and now I am currently working on learning my modes.
I am having a tough time with finding the key of that song though . Is it some weird tuning or is it standard tuning ?!?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 3 2012, 12:00 AM

I don't have my guitar now with me, I will let you know the tuning tomorrow. wink.gif

What are you using to learn the modes?

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 3 2012, 12:21 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 2 2012, 11:00 PM) *
I don't have my guitar now with me, I will let you know the tuning tomorrow. wink.gif

What are you using to learn the modes?


First I found this one lesson on here and I completed that. But Alex told me to PM him and said he had something to show me about the modes .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 3 2012, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 2 2012, 08:21 PM) *
First I found this one lesson on here and I completed that. But Alex told me to PM him and said he had something to show me about the modes .



What lesson? I just saw your thread about modes.. there is great stuff there. Have you checked Cosmin's notes?


Posted by: JesseJ Jun 3 2012, 02:41 PM

The lesson was called learning the modes by David wallimman . It just showed the shapes and the Arpeggioes to go with them.
I read the whole thread over ( including what Cosmin said ) and there is some great stuff there ! I will go back and read it again today . I am also going to do a little bit of theory so I know what modes have what notes . Because it sounds like thats what they all agree on . If you are going to play mode you have to know the different note or notes it has and then center your playing around that note ? Thats what I was kinda getting from it at least

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 3 2012, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 3 2012, 10:41 AM) *
The lesson was called learning the modes by David wallimman . It just showed the shapes and the Arpeggioes to go with them.
I read the whole thread over ( including what Cosmin said ) and there is some great stuff there ! I will go back and read it again today . I am also going to do a little bit of theory so I know what modes have what notes . Because it sounds like thats what they all agree on . If you are going to play mode you have to know the different note or notes it has and then center your playing around that note ? Thats what I was kinda getting from it at least


Exactly, that's the only way to get the mode's characteristic sound, the overall feel. Guthrie Govan shows very clearly how to get the mode's sound while improvising. (The video that I posted in that thread).

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 4 2012, 04:42 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 3 2012, 08:04 PM) *
Exactly, that's the only way to get the mode's characteristic sound, the overall feel. Guthrie Govan shows very clearly how to get the mode's sound while improvising. (The video that I posted in that thread).



I went and watched the video and it was a real eye opener. I think partially I have been trying to rush getting good on the guitar , and in doing so tried to just learn all the scale shapes without thinking about the different notes and stuff .

In this one guitar book I have it says there are 2 ways to learn the modes

1 the derivative approach ( in which the mode is just a re-ordering of a major scale )
2 The Parallel approach ( in which you learn the modes as an alteration of the major scale )

I think I need to learn them as an alteration and see how they are different from the Ionian mode . So right now I am learning the different notes that they have . Such as the Dorian mode has a flat 3rd and a flat 7th . So if I am trying to make a solo in a song that is the key of C and there is a dm chord I want to emphasize the flatted 3rd and 7th of the Dorian mode right ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 4 2012, 05:37 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 4 2012, 12:42 AM) *
I went and watched the video and it was a real eye opener. I think partially I have been trying to rush getting good on the guitar , and in doing so tried to just learn all the scale shapes without thinking about the different notes and stuff .

In this one guitar book I have it says there are 2 ways to learn the modes

1 the derivative approach ( in which the mode is just a re-ordering of a major scale )
2 The Parallel approach ( in which you learn the modes as an alteration of the major scale )

I think I need to learn them as an alteration and see how they are different from the Ionian mode . So right now I am learning the different notes that they have . Such as the Dorian mode has a flat 3rd and a flat 7th . So if I am trying to make a solo in a song that is the key of C and there is a dm chord I want to emphasize the flatted 3rd and 7th of the Dorian mode right ?



Exactly, that's how I use the modes. You also have to emphasize the chord notes, (tonic, 3rd and 5th) when you are soloing. The way number one is the easy way to learn the modes, the number one is the way that is more useful and make more sense to exploit the modes.

Regarding the Nickelback song,,, it's in Bm and it seems that they use standard tuning and maybe Drop D in any of the electric guitars.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 4 2012, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 4 2012, 04:37 AM) *
Exactly, that's how I use the modes. You also have to emphasize the chord notes, (tonic, 3rd and 5th) when you are soloing. The way number one is the easy way to learn the modes, the number one is the way that is more useful and make more sense to exploit the modes.

Regarding the Nickelback song,,, it's in Bm and it seems that they use standard tuning and maybe Drop D in any of the electric guitars.


Oh my goodness I cannot believe I didn't get the Nickelback song right . My ear obviously needs alot of work !! thanks for finding the key for me.
So what is the next step for me to analyzing styles and such ? Now I know the parts and the key and the tuning .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 4 2012, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 4 2012, 03:02 PM) *
Oh my goodness I cannot believe I didn't get the Nickelback song right . My ear obviously needs alot of work !! thanks for finding the key for me.
So what is the next step for me to analyzing styles and such ? Now I know the parts and the key and the tuning .



Now let's go for the chord progressions of each part.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 5 2012, 11:51 PM

How do I go about that ? Haha you have seen how my bad my ear is ! Is this the best way to train it though ? Just try and figure out the chords by ear?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 6 2012, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 5 2012, 07:51 PM) *
How do I go about that ? Haha you have seen how my bad my ear is ! Is this the best way to train it though ? Just try and figure out the chords by ear?


yes!! Let's try it. There is no problem with mistakes in this army. wink.gif

maybe this thread could help you because it's exactly about learning songs by ear.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=40304

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 6 2012, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 5 2012, 11:38 PM) *
yes!! Let's try it. There is no problem with mistakes in this army. wink.gif

maybe this thread could help you because it's exactly about learning songs by ear.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=40304


Thanks the thread helped lots !! Okay so by now you know how bad my ear is but I gave it my best shot For 45min and this is what I got .

I am playing in drop D using 6th string rooted power chords

There are only 2 guitar parts as far as I can tell . The intro and bridge are the same ,and the verse's and chorus's are the same ( I think )

As far as I can tell the Intro part is a F#-A-B-A-B-A-B.
The verse and chorus is just F#-A repeating .

Now judging on my past experiences this may not be right but I hope I am at least close . I was using diatonic chords of Bm.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 7 2012, 10:20 PM

Well, that's not right mate. The song is in Bm. The first chord that appears is B minor, try to play it over the song when it appears and notice that it sounds the same. Then your have other 3 chords in the introduction. So the progression would be


Bm - ? - ? - ? -

and it's repeated many times. They are tuning in 440. Try to first find the bass note of each chord, playing just one note on the lower string to find the chord.

Could you try to find those 3 chords?


Posted by: JesseJ Jun 8 2012, 01:50 AM

Okay for sure I will start working on that ! Haha Just so we are clear we are thinking of the same song right ? I am working on kiss it goodbye by Nickelback .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 8 2012, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 7 2012, 09:50 PM) *
Okay for sure I will start working on that ! Haha Just so we are clear we are thinking of the same song right ? I am working on kiss it goodbye by Nickelback .


Oh man! That was the problem!! you said.. let's go for the Nickelback song, and I checked your list:

Have faith in me - A Day To Remember
Rise today - Alter Bridge
Sweet Child of Mine - Gun's n roses
Kiss it Goodbye - Nickelback
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd skynyrd
Heels over head - Boys like girls
Someday - Nickelback


and bookmarked Someday!! sad.gif blink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 9 2012, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 8 2012, 03:22 PM) *
Oh man! That was the problem!! you said.. let's go for the Nickelback song, and I checked your list:

Have faith in me - A Day To Remember
Rise today - Alter Bridge
Sweet Child of Mine - Gun's n roses
Kiss it Goodbye - Nickelback
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd skynyrd
Heels over head - Boys like girls
Someday - Nickelback


and bookmarked Someday!! sad.gif blink.gif



HAHA to funny !!! I thought something weird was going on !!! Okay I love that song as well so I will do as you said and first listen and list all the parts in the order they come . intro ,verse , chorus ect . Then since you already told me the key was Bm I will start working on the chord progression smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 9 2012, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 9 2012, 12:51 PM) *
HAHA to funny !!! I thought something weird was going on !!! Okay I love that song as well so I will do as you said and first listen and list all the parts in the order they come . intro ,verse , chorus ect . Then since you already told me the key was Bm I will start working on the chord progression smile.gif



hahah ok... so, now we are talking about this one... smile.gif


Posted by: JesseJ Jun 10 2012, 03:20 PM

Yup thats the one smile.gif I will try to put up the chord progression within 24 hours .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 10 2012, 09:59 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 10 2012, 11:20 AM) *
Yup thats the one smile.gif I will try to put up the chord progression within 24 hours .


Ok! wink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 11 2012, 05:40 PM

I think the verse chord progression is
Bm-A-Em-F#m
The chorus is a little harder for me to figure out as all the instruments come in so it is harder to hear the guitar.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 11 2012, 06:17 PM

Hi Jesse. The chords from the chorus are (Bm - G - A - D - Bm - G - A). Play the progression over the song and try to identify the chords. The chorus uses the same chords but in a different order, maybe you could try to discover it.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 13 2012, 01:45 AM

Okay I think the order of the chords in the chorus is G-D-A-Bm-G-A-Bm.
And were the verse chords Bm-A-Em-F#m ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2012, 02:41 AM

The correct progression for the chorus is: G - D - A - E - G - A - Bm - A. There were some differences with the verse's chords...

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 13 2012, 04:37 AM

It is so discouraging and depressing how bad my ear is. Okay I will give the verse chords another shot and see if I can get them right.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2012, 04:48 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 13 2012, 12:37 AM) *
It is so discouraging and depressing how bad my ear is. Okay I will give the verse chords another shot and see if I can get them right.



don't worry mate! your ears just need some training and that's what we are doing here. wink.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 13 2012, 05:09 PM

Okay I took another stab at the verse and I think I got Bm - A - EM - D .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2012, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 13 2012, 01:09 PM) *
Okay I took another stab at the verse and I think I got Bm - A - EM - D .


not exactly, the verse is Bm - G - A - D. Again, please don't worry about this. One thing that really helps is to get a chords book from any of your favourite bands and play over the songs concentrating on the the sound of each chord. I used to do this for many hours every day when I was starting to play. There are also many software for Ear Training that are free like this one:

http://www.trainear.com/


Posted by: JesseJ Jun 15 2012, 06:16 PM

I tried out the Bm-G-A-D and it did fit better smile.gif haha truly you are the master ! But thanks so much for the link to the Ear Training software. I figure if I spend about 2.5 hours a week on ear training ( thats just 5 mornings of spending half an hour on there while I drink coffee smile.gif my ear would probably improve tons ! So What is the next step to that song? We have it all figured out but the solo .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 16 2012, 08:20 PM

Ok, so now let's give shape to this:


Name of the song: Someday
Name of the band: Nickelback

Structure // What is happening? // Chords & Scales

Structure: You will divide the tune in Intro - Riff - Verse - Prechorus- - Chorus - Solo - Part C and so... You can add the letters A, B, C to the sections when you find different ones in the same tune (Ex: Verse A, Verse B, Chorus, Solo A, Solo .

what is happening?: Here you will describe each part. You can explain how is the part, if it has vocals, screams, melodies, harmonizations, how much is last, how many measures, etc. Every information that could be useful to understand the part.

Chords & Scales: Here you will post the tonality, the chord progression and the scales used for the melodies and solos.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 18 2012, 06:50 PM

SONG: Someday
ARTIST: Nickelback

Here is the order

Verse- Bm-G-A-D
Bridge - I think it's just a palm muted Bm power chord
Chorus - G-D-A-Em-G-A-Bm-A
Verse- Bm-G-A-D
Bridge- Palm mute Bm power chord
Chorus-G-D-A-Em-G-A-Bm-A
Solo - The sole consists of 11 bars so 44 beats , the only other thing I know is it sounds like he is using triplets and a second guitar comes in halfway through
Verse -Bm-G-A-D
Bridge- palm mute Bm
Chorus x2 - G-D-A-Em-G-A-Bm-A Then they sing the last line " i know your wondering when your the only one who knows that " 3 times and end on a Bm

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 19 2012, 05:52 AM

Great job man! I recommend you to save this analysis and keep on doing the same thing with as many songs as you like/can. You will start noticing what are the structures, progressions, ways of arranging most used in your favorite songs and this will give you tools to work on your own compositions. One thing that really helps me to understand the progressions used is to also write the progression in roman numbers. That would make easier to understand exactly the relationship between chords. Let's start with another song now.

Are you working on the technique exercises? how is it going?


Posted by: JesseJ Jun 19 2012, 04:30 PM

Yes I am going to save that sheet. I am already using it smile.gif I picked out a slow easy song yesterday and tried to figure it out . I think I found the progression and the key .

SONG: Revelation song
ARTIST:unknown
ORDER: Verse,Verse,Chorus,Instrumental,Verse,Chorus,Instrumental,Verse,Chorus,Chorus,in
strumental.
KEY: G major
CHORD PROGRESSION: V-II-IV-I. or D-Am-C-G. Believe it or not these four chords repeat themselves the whole song .
I have played this song in church before so I knew the outline of it but I didn't know the key or the exact progression. I knew there was only 4 chords but that was all I could remember. Here is the link



Regarding the technique Lately I have neglected the warmup you showed me. But I wrote out all my guitar goals on paper and hung them in my room. It helps me focus my practice time better . In them I put Improve my technique. Here is the list of techniques I want to improve in the order I would like to work on them.

Vibrato
Legato
Slide's
Harmonics
Bends
Alternate picking
Tapping
Hammer on's and pull off's ( although for me this and legato fall into the same camp )

I was thinking we could pick 1 at a time and master it ?

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 19 2012, 10:25 PM

sorry the first link didnt work. Here it is. (hopefully)
http://youtu.be/D-zk-E55dRk

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 19 2012, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 19 2012, 12:30 PM) *
Yes I am going to save that sheet. I am already using it smile.gif I picked out a slow easy song yesterday and tried to figure it out . I think I found the progression and the key .

SONG: Revelation song
ARTIST:unknown
ORDER: Verse,Verse,Chorus,Instrumental,Verse,Chorus,Instrumental,Verse,Chorus,Chorus,in
strumental.
KEY: G major
CHORD PROGRESSION: V-II-IV-I. or D-Am-C-G. Believe it or not these four chords repeat themselves the whole song .
I have played this song in church before so I knew the outline of it but I didn't know the key or the exact progression. I knew there was only 4 chords but that was all I could remember. Here is the link



Regarding the technique Lately I have neglected the warmup you showed me. But I wrote out all my guitar goals on paper and hung them in my room. It helps me focus my practice time better . In them I put Improve my technique. Here is the list of techniques I want to improve in the order I would like to work on them.

Vibrato
Legato
Slide's
Harmonics
Bends
Alternate picking
Tapping
Hammer on's and pull off's ( although for me this and legato fall into the same camp )

I was thinking we could pick 1 at a time and master it ?



Great job with the song. You would be surprised of how many songs keep the same progression in the whole thing. smile.gif

Regarding the techniques, we can definitely use GMC lessons for that. For Vibrato and Legato, Ben's lessons are the best.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bens-Vibrato-Odyssey/
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bens-Land-Of-Legato/

I would start working on those two series, and also on any AP lesson, however I would need to know your level in that technique to suggest any lesson.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 20 2012, 04:42 PM

Okay I will start working on those series. What is your AP lesson ? I don't what level i'm in because I don't what your AP lesson is .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 20 2012, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 20 2012, 12:42 PM) *
Okay I will start working on those series. What is your AP lesson ? I don't what level i'm in because I don't what your AP lesson is .



I meant that I need to see you playing some stuff with alternate picking technique to know your level and suggest any lesson.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 21 2012, 05:24 AM

Okay well what would you like me to put up ? i would prefer to work on one technique at a time. I learnt the whole legato lesson today but now I need some time to bring it up to speed . I could do anther recording of the wasted years intro if you like ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 21 2012, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 21 2012, 01:24 AM) *
Okay well what would you like me to put up ? i would prefer to work on one technique at a time. I learnt the whole legato lesson today but now I need some time to bring it up to speed . I could do anther recording of the wasted years intro if you like ?



Hi Jesse! Yes, please continue practicing the legato lesson and record "Wasted Years" intro and post it here.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 21 2012, 10:01 PM

Here is the wasted years intro

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/wasted-years-intro

My goal is to practice the legato lesson at least 20 minutes a day. It is a difficult lesson for me so it will probably take me a while to bring it up to speed.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 22 2012, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 21 2012, 06:01 PM) *
Here is the wasted years intro

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/wasted-years-intro

My goal is to practice the legato lesson at least 20 minutes a day. It is a difficult lesson for me so it will probably take me a while to bring it up to speed.



Hi Jesse! The file isn't available. sad.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 22 2012, 05:48 PM

Oh haha yah sorry I deleted by accident of my soundcloud account. Here it is

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/wasted-years-intro

The Legato lesson is challenging me alot. And I can hardly get any sound out of the high E string when I am playing and then my guitar starts to give me feedback. But I need a pretty good amount of gain in order for legato right ? Any tips you have on Legato would be appreciated, In the meantime I will just keep practicing, I practiced the lesson for half an hour today and will continue to do so because I want my legato to be insane smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 24 2012, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 22 2012, 01:48 PM) *
Oh haha yah sorry I deleted by accident of my soundcloud account. Here it is

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/wasted-years-intro

The Legato lesson is challenging me alot. And I can hardly get any sound out of the high E string when I am playing and then my guitar starts to give me feedback. But I need a pretty good amount of gain in order for legato right ? Any tips you have on Legato would be appreciated, In the meantime I will just keep practicing, I practiced the lesson for half an hour today and will continue to do so because I want my legato to be insane smile.gif



Hi Jesse, the Wasted Year intro is well played but you are not playing it exactly like the original. The quantity of open E notes that you are playing is less, you have to play 4 times it, between each fretted note. Review the tabs!

Regarding Legato, it's something that must be generated from your left hand fingers, you can add more gain and also a compressor to make it easier, but that's not the trick, the idea is that you have enough strength in your fingers to get a good sound. Please post an audio of your progress and maybe I can give you some specific suggestions.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 28 2012, 04:01 AM

My problem with legato isn't making the sound. I start to get tons of feedback and it drowns my legato out. The only way I know to get rid of feedback is to lower the gain but then I don't get that distortion sound.

Regarding the Wasted years intro haha yup you are right smile.gif I think I was only hitting the open E 3 times. I am now practicing correctly. I could do another recording if you would like ? I find alternate picking hard. Like my fingers have the ability to play faster but I cant pick fast enough. I thought it would of been the other way around.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 28 2012, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 28 2012, 12:01 AM) *
My problem with legato isn't making the sound. I start to get tons of feedback and it drowns my legato out. The only way I know to get rid of feedback is to lower the gain but then I don't get that distortion sound.



Are you muting the string that you are not playing?

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 28 2012, 11:16 PM

No, should I be ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 29 2012, 01:16 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 28 2012, 07:16 PM) *
No, should I be ?



yes! that must be the problem! Every feedback and unwanted noise comes from the other strings if you don't mute them.

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 29 2012, 04:11 PM

Okay that is going to be a little more difficult but I am glad I now know the problem smile.gif Thanks !

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 29 2012, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jun 29 2012, 12:11 PM) *
Okay that is going to be a little more difficult but I am glad I now know the problem smile.gif Thanks !


Check out the second half of this video where Rusty talks about how to mute the strings that you are not playing.


Posted by: JesseJ Jul 1 2012, 02:12 PM

I have to go try this now! I never thought of using both hands to mute. Where do you find all these sweet videos ? Thanks for pointing this out. As I am righting this now I have not yet tried it out yet obviously, but I am pretty sure this should take care of my feedback issues smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 1 2012, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 1 2012, 10:12 AM) *
I have to go try this now! I never thought of using both hands to mute. Where do you find all these sweet videos ? Thanks for pointing this out. As I am righting this now I have not yet tried it out yet obviously, but I am pretty sure this should take care of my feedback issues smile.gif



I'm glad to hear this! smile.gif I'm always checking guitar videos at youtube. There is a lot of useful stuff!

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 4 2012, 03:09 AM

Yah muting the strings works like a charm smile.gif I am still have some difficulty transitioning from part to part but that just comes with practice.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 4 2012, 03:36 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 3 2012, 11:09 PM) *
Yah muting the strings works like a charm smile.gif I am still have some difficulty transitioning from part to part but that just comes with practice.



so.. problem solved?

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 4 2012, 02:12 PM

Yup ! That video was awesome. Now I just have to practice it for 20 hours and then I should have it smile.gif
In the meantime while I am practicing legato could we work on alternate picking ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 4 2012, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 4 2012, 10:12 AM) *
Yup ! That video was awesome. Now I just have to practice it for 20 hours and then I should have it smile.gif
In the meantime while I am practicing legato could we work on alternate picking ?



Off course! Do you have any audio of you playing something with Alternate Picking Technique?


Posted by: JesseJ Jul 4 2012, 06:15 PM

No , but I can record something. Would you like it to be on 1 string or multiple strings ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 4 2012, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 4 2012, 02:15 PM) *
No , but I can record something. Would you like it to be on 1 string or multiple strings ?



multiple, let me know what you choose to record!

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 6 2012, 05:01 PM

I was thinking i might just run through a scales pattern ( I think I will use the G phyrgian mode as I am trying to memorize it ), and just play each note 3 times so I would be picking 9 times per string. I guess you call that triplets don't you ?

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 7 2012, 05:02 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 6 2012, 01:01 PM) *
I was thinking i might just run through a scales pattern ( I think I will use the G phyrgian mode as I am trying to memorize it ), and just play each note 3 times so I would be picking 9 times per string. I guess you call that triplets don't you ?


If you play 3 notes per beat, you are playing triplets. Ok, that's a good idea, please record yourself playing that and post it here.

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 7 2012, 03:10 PM

Okay I'll do that. I watched that video of you on your instructor page and that is a sweet solo from 1:18-1:40 smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 7 2012, 06:07 PM

Okay here it is smile.gif

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 8 2012, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 7 2012, 02:07 PM) *
Okay here it is smile.gif

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/right-hand-basic1/

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 11 2012, 04:05 AM

Okay I started the first Alternate picking lesson today. ( the one by Ben ) And I am still practicing the legato lesson. I think I will try to upload and audio sample of me playing the legato lesson just so you can know where I am at. I still have a ways to go though.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 11 2012, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 11 2012, 12:05 AM) *
Okay I started the first Alternate picking lesson today. ( the one by Ben ) And I am still practicing the legato lesson. I think I will try to upload and audio sample of me playing the legato lesson just so you can know where I am at. I still have a ways to go though.



yes, this sounds good to me. I'm curious to see your progress. smile.gif


Posted by: JesseJ Jul 13 2012, 03:47 AM

Okay here it is. It still needs a lot of work as you will shortly be able to tell, and I messed up at the end but it was getting late and my string broke so after about 45min of practice/recording I went with my best take yet.

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/legato

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 13 2012, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 12 2012, 11:47 PM) *
Okay here it is. It still needs a lot of work as you will shortly be able to tell, and I messed up at the end but it was getting late and my string broke so after about 45min of practice/recording I went with my best take yet.

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/legato



It's sounding good mate, but I would practice this one at a slower tempo, trying to make the connection between different strings smoother and at tempo... try to avoid that silence between the string changes.

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 13 2012, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jul 13 2012, 01:01 PM) *
It's sounding good mate, but I would practice this one at a slower tempo, trying to make the connection between different strings smoother and at tempo... try to avoid that silence between the string changes.


Thanks for the tip ! And the positive feedback smile.gif I know this might sound weird but it doesn't take much for me to get discouraged when practicing and an encouraging word always is nice to hear ! I realize there are errors in my playing and they need to be pointed out so I can become a better player. But if a student always get negative feedback it does alot of damage ( I know this from my personal experience teaching swimming lessons at the pool where I work ) But you pointed out exactly what my weakest point is. Transitioning from one part to the next ! I will keep practicing this lesson and put another take up next week so you can hear my progress. The AP lesson is going good I will try to put a take up in a few days.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 15 2012, 01:29 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 13 2012, 12:36 PM) *
Thanks for the tip ! And the positive feedback smile.gif I know this might sound weird but it doesn't take much for me to get discouraged when practicing and an encouraging word always is nice to hear ! I realize there are errors in my playing and they need to be pointed out so I can become a better player. But if a student always get negative feedback it does alot of damage ( I know this from my personal experience teaching swimming lessons at the pool where I work ) But you pointed out exactly what my weakest point is. Transitioning from one part to the next ! I will keep practicing this lesson and put another take up next week so you can hear my progress. The AP lesson is going good I will try to put a take up in a few days.



Thanks for your words mate. I'm glad to read this because the main goals of my army are feeling motivated and making music. If we achieve it, I'm proud and happy. smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 17 2012, 06:45 PM

Yes through your mentoring I am making great strides ! Here is the alternate picking lesson you assigned me!



http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap-bhl

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 18 2012, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 17 2012, 02:45 PM) *
Yes through your mentoring I am making great strides ! Here is the alternate picking lesson you assigned me!



http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap-bhl



Great job mate! You are so close on this one!! Keep on practicing to adjust a bit the faster figures only to get a top level take. This would be a 9 at the REC for me. Well done! smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 20 2012, 02:57 PM

THanks ! Okay I will keep practicing the lesson smile.gif

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 20 2012, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 20 2012, 10:57 AM) *
THanks ! Okay I will keep practicing the lesson smile.gif


Excellent! smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Jul 28 2012, 06:45 PM

Okay here is anew and hopefully improved legato !

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/legato-2

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 28 2012, 08:48 PM

Hi mate! This is definitely getting better and better! Next step would be to do a take using the backing track, what do you think?


Posted by: JesseJ Jul 29 2012, 03:01 PM

Okay sounds good I will take my next take with the backing track. Here is another alternate picking take. I go off time during the triplets part so it still needs some work but I am just trying to keep you updated with my progress.

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap-bhl-2

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jul 30 2012, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Jul 29 2012, 11:01 AM) *
Okay sounds good I will take my next take with the backing track. Here is another alternate picking take. I go off time during the triplets part so it still needs some work but I am just trying to keep you updated with my progress.

http://soundcloud.com/jessej-3/ap-bhl-2



Hi Jesse! Great job!! This take is better than the previous one! he fasted parts are better now, but you still need a bit more work to play it perfectly. The problem is again the timing but now is tighter. Keep on the good job!! smile.gif

Posted by: JesseJ Aug 1 2012, 06:43 PM

When it switches to the triplets thats when I have difficulty . Just changing the tempo in any part is kind of hard .

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Aug 2 2012, 01:53 AM

QUOTE (JesseJ @ Aug 1 2012, 02:43 PM) *
When it switches to the triplets thats when I have difficulty . Just changing the tempo in any part is kind of hard .



yes, there you have the problem.

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