Quote By Igor Stravinsky, What are your thoughts? |
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May 12 2011, 06:55 PM
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"A good composer does not imitate, he steals"
Igor Stravinsky What does this sound like to you? how do you interpret it? and here's a clip of music by him:Undeniably a great composer. -------------------- Visit my:
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May 13 2011, 02:02 AM
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I think it refers to using techniques properly. If you are going to use a compositional tool used by Bach for instance, you have to do it right, following the same rules he made.
Or say, if you are going to rip off Paul Gilbert, do it properly, and then what will happen is what Ben says, it will go to new heights, -------------------- Visit my:
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May 13 2011, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ May 12 2011, 07:31 PM)  Yes, just like Bob says.... don't just sound a bit like someone.. take what they did and make it your own. Don't settle for sounding like an imitation of somebody, take their idea and use it to take your own composing to new heights !  Agreed! For example i've used almost every riff in your The Devil Is In The Diad lesson and wrote a whole different metal tune 
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May 13 2011, 12:02 PM
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I guess every composer "steals" some ideas from others, whether consciously or not. I guess that's what we call "influences", the music we listen to and love obviously inspires us when creating our own.
Maybe the verb "steal" sounds too strong though I prefer "influence" or "inspire"
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May 13 2011, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (Fran @ May 13 2011, 12:02 PM) I guess every composer "steals" some ideas from others, whether consciously or not. I guess that's what we call "influences", the music we listen to and love obviously inspires us when creating our own. Maybe the verb "steal" sounds too strong though I prefer "influence" or "inspire"I think Igor emphasises in the difference between imitating and stealing for a reason. I think it's because stealing means you are using whatever inspired you the "right way" so to speak. Where as imitating just sounds like that, an imitation. -------------------- Visit my:
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May 13 2011, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE (Frederik @ May 13 2011, 06:05 PM) To me there is no such thing as stealing in music, or any other artform. To me the reason to perform an art is not to own a given piece/phrase but to share it, and to make yourself understood Its parallel to language. you are not a thief for using the same phrases as your friends. It's actually the most normal and human thing to do. Now the challenge lies in playing what you feel. To use the phrases that are congruent with you at the given moment in time. In other words being true to yourself. To me its easy to sense if a person is true to himself or if he is pretending. Same goes for music very good point...I was just checking out some new law they are trying to pass in Colombia to prevent pirating of content through internet banning, -------------------- Visit my:
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May 13 2011, 09:57 PM
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I heard so many times the phrase - steal, but don't get caught. "Stealing" refers to using the proven techniques/approaches in music composing. For example, over the years, successful song forms emerged and we can find some overall guidelines/recipes in all the hit songs. I'm not saying that we shouldn't build "triangle" shaped houses but it always good to learn from the best. That is regarding songwriting, but it applies to other areas. Regarding guitar playing, everyone tries to learn as many new licks as possible and then re-uses in their own playing. Reusing licks is not stealing. Everyone is inspired by others (and those famous guitarists too and they also reused some licks they heard before). They way you combine everything you learn/hear will actually produce your own style/sound and you will be original.
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May 13 2011, 11:18 PM
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It means that a good composer is not just trying to mimic others work, but using the parts he likes, when he likes it.
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May 14 2011, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE (Frederik @ May 13 2011, 09:55 PM) I'm pro-pirat, which might offend some of you guys who used a lot of money producing a record. But in my opinion art is all about sharing and expression. So if you have the urge to express something; Do it! don't expect anything in return If you are doing it for the money, your intentions are not right (With bling-bling-rappers being the exception) Money for nothing and the chicks for free  -Frederik yeah, I agree. But then food should be the same, also clothing and housing, why only art? -------------------- Visit my:
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Jul 18 2011, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ May 13 2011, 11:18 PM) It means that a good composer is not just trying to mimic others work, but using the parts he likes, when he likes it. Check out this video of his, specially the part where he talks with the tone technician (although all other comments are interesting too) wow, it's unbelievable the calm and sharpness of his comments. I can tell he's got a very clear vision of what he wants in his music. And it's not arrogance -------------------- Visit my:
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