 Straight Vs Syncopated Soloing, In class type collaboration #4 |
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 May 19 2009, 03:04 PM
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Hello GMC !
Welcome to another in class type collaboration. I have to say I was really thinking hard what should be your next in class type collaboration. I was analyzing your solos from previous collaborations and noticed that biggest problem in most takes was your phrasing. To be more exact, I am talking about down beat and up beat type rhythm and playing. This lead me to finally create backing track which is suitable for many sorts of solos (which I will talk about later) but we will use it for Straight vs Syncopated soloing ! Ok, so our topic for this in class type collaboration is Straight rhythm vs Syncopated rhythm soloing ! This means that your solo has to contain both types of rhythms. Straight rhythm is basically if you start on Down beat (1 2 3 4) and play rhythm like Whole, Half, Quarter, Eight and Sixteen notes ! It is essential that your rhythm here doesn't carry over when you are doing this , in other words you are not using any DOTS OR TIES ! (to make things easier for you guys). Syncopated rhythm is opposite from Straight rhythm. You need to start your phrases on Up beat (one AND two AND three AND four AND - so you start on AND always!). It is also essential that with syncopated rhythm melodies or your solo sounds OF BEAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ! Another trick to achieve syncopated rhythm is to use TRIPLETS. The best triplet to throw you of is Quarter note triplet !!! You can also use doted rhythms when playing syncopated melodies, in fact I highly recommend you do it (dotted quarters will work wonders here of course!). Remember that you can also start on up beat and keep playing regular rhythm and it will sound syncopated !!! I hope this little information and intro was very valuable for you before you start tackling your solos. Backing track is at 140 bpm and is in A minor. I used Latin type feel in Bass and Drums with very specific Piano sound. I hope you dig it ! Chord progression is : // A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 / / A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 / / A min7 Amin6 / A min7 Amin6 / D min7/ G7 / / A min / A min / A min (E7#9)/ E7#9 // Notice how backing track has chords entering before they actually need to appear. This is ANTICIPATION, Syncopated rhythm and Harmonic Displacement ! I moved on purpose some of the chords one eight note earlier. See if you can spot where chords appear earlier in the chord progression. About soloing : - Use arpeggios (if you want and can  - A harmonic Minor is mostly key center - Over A min7 A min6 you can use A DORIAN MODE (G major scale) - D min7 G7 part is A aeolian or A natural minor (A minor pentatonic if you want to simplify it) - E7#9 you can do arpeggios or E altered scale (F melodic minor) as well as E half whole diminished scale. I hope to hear some cool takes in this one guys. It should be lots of fun and a challenge ( I HOPE!!!). Deadline for submitting your takes 7th of June ! I have decided to extend the deadline after receiving only couple of takes. Let me know if you have any questions and need any help ! Enjoy the backing ! Pedja List of participants : 1) Velvet Roger (auto sign up) - Recorded 2) Tolek (auto sign up) 3) enforcer (auto sign up) 4) wrk (auto sign up) - Recorded 5) Outlaw2112 (auto sign up) - Recorded 6) Jesse (auto sign up) 7) superize 8) berko (auto sign up) - Recorded 9) coffeeman (auto sign up) 10) sted (Recorded) 11) kaznie_NL (auto sign up) - Recorded 12) Caelumattendum - Recorded 13) JVM 14) kjutte (Recorded) 15) JamesT (auto sign up) - Recorded 16) Dexxter - Recorded 17) jdriver - Recorded 18) Oxac - Recorded 19) Pedja Simovic (Recorded) P.S. I am providing you two guitar pro files, each with rhythm examples for Straight and Syncopated rhythms ! You can also download my solo here and in upload thread ! I included guitar pro file of my solo. Use it for analysis only and to double check your work. I strongly recommend you transcribe it before downloading it. Lesson in HQ on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2QN33e9EI&fmt=18 or watch it bellow This post has been edited by Pedja Simovic: Jun 8 2009, 06:56 PM
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May 19 2009, 03:10 PM
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 GMC:er  Group: Members Posts: 2.348 Joined: 5-July 08 From: Enschede/overijssel/Nederland Member No.: 5.426 |
Great! This one is going to be a real challenge for me!
This post has been edited by Jesse: May 19 2009, 03:11 PM -------------------- Don't just play it. Feel it!
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May 19 2009, 03:11 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (Jesse @ May 19 2009, 04:10 PM)  In! Yes ! I also put you on auto sign up for further collabs since you mentioned it on MSN
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May 19 2009, 03:16 PM
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 Ultimate Tone Guru  Group: Student Instructor Posts: 4.299 Joined: 26-July 07 From: Glommersträsk. Sweden Member No.: 2.410 |
I will give this a try
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May 19 2009, 03:17 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 04:16 PM) I will give this a try Awesome Superize! I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for
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May 19 2009, 03:32 PM
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 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.771 Joined: 2-April 08 From: Budapest, Hungary Member No.: 4.782 |
I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit
  This is going to be very interesting. -------------------- |
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May 19 2009, 03:35 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:32 PM) I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit This is going to be very interesting. Haha I was waiting for you to say that ! Great Berko, I am very excited to hear how you will do with this one You are on the list of course ! -------------------- |
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May 19 2009, 03:48 PM
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 Experienced Tone Seeker Group: Members Posts: 1.553 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Bogota,Colombia Member No.: 2.793 |
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.
Beautiful backing Pedja. -------------------- |
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May 19 2009, 03:49 PM
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GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 1.771 Joined: 2-April 08 From: Budapest, Hungary Member No.: 4.782 |
QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list. Beautiful backing Pedja. Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list.
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May 19 2009, 03:55 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list. Beautiful backing Pedja. You are in of course ! Thank you for complimenting backing track - I was worried it would be too much QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:49 PM) Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list. You are both on auto sign up for all future collaborations from now on
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May 19 2009, 03:56 PM
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 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 7.201 Joined: 14-July 08 From: London UK Member No.: 5.490 |
This looks like something really interesting
I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know
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May 19 2009, 03:58 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 19 2009, 04:56 PM) This looks like something really interesting I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know Thanks for kind words Emir, you are always welcome of course Let me know if you get the chance to do it ! -------------------- |
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May 19 2009, 04:12 PM
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 Learning Rock Star Group: Members Posts: 1.758 Joined: 13-April 08 From: Merseyside, UK Member No.: 4.882 |
I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected
guess thats called learning the hard way!!
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May 19 2009, 04:16 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (sted @ May 19 2009, 05:12 PM) I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected guess thats called learning the hard way!!Cool ! I will post now some examples of rhythm for Straight and Syncopated soloing in guitar pro
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May 19 2009, 04:25 PM
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Ultimate Tone Guru Group: Student Instructor Posts: 4.299 Joined: 26-July 07 From: Glommersträsk. Sweden Member No.: 2.410 |
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 19 2009, 04:17 PM) Awesome Superize! I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for That will certenly help since dont really understand -------------------- My Gear
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May 19 2009, 04:31 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 05:25 PM) That will certenly help since dont really understand Great I just uploaded 8 bars of different straight rhythm soloing combinations. Its on the top of the page under backing track, but you can also download it HERE Edit : In the meanwhile I also posted Syncopated rhythm examples. Check it out on the top of the page or click HERE This post has been edited by Pedja Simovic: May 19 2009, 04:44 PM -------------------- |
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May 19 2009, 06:14 PM
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 Experienced Tone Seeker Group: Passive Posts: 4.809 Joined: 8-December 07 From: Hedel, Netherlands Member No.: 3.471 |
I'm in
 But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing
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May 19 2009, 06:15 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 19 2009, 07:14 PM) I'm in But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing Welcome Kaz ! I am wondering what you will come up with in this one
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May 19 2009, 07:29 PM
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I'd love to do this one
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May 19 2009, 07:39 PM
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Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 8.109 Joined: 13-September 08 From: Nis, Serbia Member No.: 5.892 |
QUOTE (JVM @ May 19 2009, 08:29 PM) I'd love to do this one No problem, you are in
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