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Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 12 2012, 06:18 PM

You will think that I live in a bubble but today is the first time that I watched a video and heard a song by Justin Bieber. It seems that he is one of the most hated musicians in the world... at least that is what I can note at Youtube. My conclusion of this video is that he is talented and that his product is very well done.

Do you hate him? Why?

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 12 2012, 06:26 PM

I don't hate him but I don't understand all the popular media attention he gets. Similarly for many other people like him...

Posted by: ringmar Jun 12 2012, 06:29 PM

Nah. Why hate him? He's reasonably talented and got lucky. There's lots of music in this world I can't stand, doesn't make me "hate" the person that makes it. Bieber makes a lot of people feel good. Whether you believe it's all canned and produced or not, at the end of the day it doesnt' really matter. I just like what I like and do my own thing. Spending time and energy hating is pointless.

Posted by: Ulrik Jun 12 2012, 06:46 PM

Yes!

but not the person, just the music and concept... and that's off course just my taste

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 12 2012, 06:47 PM

No, I don't hate him or any other musician that produces music I don't like. It's not fair to hate anyone, really. If you put that energy out there in the world, then you should be prepared to expect the same to come back to you.

Do I dislike his music and the pop culture he's involved in ? Oh yes

Posted by: thefireball Jun 12 2012, 07:00 PM

Same here. I don't hate they guy, but he's way too young to be singing about what he sings about. Plus, his voice just gets on my nerves!! I guess you would just have to like this style first.

Posted by: Gitarrero Jun 12 2012, 07:09 PM

Let's face it, we are simply the wrong audience for him and his styl of music. In my opinion he (or rather the producers behind him) are pretty clever and discovered the biggest market for any musician: teenage girls.

Ben, just imagine your success if The Reckoning played slightly other music and looked just slightly different than now...then again, you probably wouldn't be on this site and we would have never heard of Donuts...

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 12 2012, 07:11 PM

Exaclty.. can you imagine the massive, donut shaped void in your life if I weren't here ?

Posted by: bleez Jun 12 2012, 07:21 PM

He really is not very talented. I heard him sing unaccompanied on a radio show not so long ago and I was surprised at how below average he is.
He is well marketed and very lucky. I dont hate him but I have no time for him or his type of 'product'.

Posted by: Gitarrero Jun 12 2012, 07:29 PM

Actually, I just bought a Donut after work today since there is no chat with you...

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 12 2012, 07:34 PM

Yea man I wish I also got a Donut for this evening. Now that there is no chat with Ben, I don't know what I will do this evening. There is a massive, donut shaped void in my evening today

Posted by: Dinaga Jun 12 2012, 07:36 PM

I can't really say I hate anyone. There are people I like and people I don't like. Hate is a strong word...
Bieber is just a boy who got successful and he should be respected for that. He's a product of a well-organized institution, not the first nor the last one!

What annoys me though are the comments about him ALL.OVER.THE.INTERNET. Positive or negative, it doesn't really matter - I don't listen to that music and I don't need to be shoved with it in the face every single day...

Posted by: SirJamsalot Jun 12 2012, 08:19 PM

It's not his music I hate. It's his ego. BUT - if you got it, flaunt it right? So I can't fault him for that. I just don't like pride on display is all.

Posted by: Gitarrero Jun 12 2012, 08:30 PM

True..I heard guys even talk about him in a guitar forum!!!

Posted by: Dinaga Jun 12 2012, 08:35 PM

Ozzy nailed it!

Posted by: superize Jun 12 2012, 08:40 PM

I dont hate him i hate his fans

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 12 2012, 09:40 PM

BIG LOL

Posted by: Mudbone Jun 12 2012, 09:44 PM

I actually like Justin Bieber because he has managed to get uptight musicians all bent out of shape. Its hilarious to watch grown men have their ego destroyed by a little boy that looks like a lesbian.

He's living every musicians dream: Arena tours, girls, money, girls, fast cars, girls, a big mansion, girls, vacations in exotic places, girls - and in between that exciting lifestyle, he actually manages to pick up girls.

All this is achieved because he successfully sells his character. As we've discussed in a previous thread, when it comes to selling your music, character is equally as important, if not even more important than the music itself.

Posted by: SirJamsalot Jun 12 2012, 09:57 PM

haha. so true.

Posted by: Kalidia Jun 12 2012, 10:59 PM

I've never heard a song of Bibier, this is the first one! And yes, now I hate him

Posted by: casinostrat Jun 13 2012, 01:09 AM

I've truthfully never heard a song by Bieber (to my knowledge anyway) mostly cause all the music I listen to comes from my own Ipod or my Pandora radio stations (mostly Blues, Hard Rock, and Classic Rock stuff). Haven't really avoided it, just sort of worked out that way. I should probably listen to something by him but I'm afraid I may not like it..........or even worse, I may actually like it!

seriously though, I really have no opinion regarding him.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 13 2012, 01:43 AM

There are many interesting and funny posts here!
I really like to know everybody's opinions and I'm really glad to notice that every post as been done with respect.

Posted by: MonkeyDAthos Jun 13 2012, 01:53 AM

not a fan of his music, so i really don't bother to care

Posted by: SpaseMoonkey Jun 13 2012, 02:39 AM

I don't feel so bad, I never heard of him until I seen them talk about him on the Cleveland Show. They made some jokes of him looking like a girl, but also that his music got stuck in people's heads so they enjoyed how catchy it was.

I'm pretty rough on music, I feel that everyone has their own taste in music. Some may like it some may not. But I dislike the music not the people, because they may be talented just not to my taste in styles. And Bieber is on that not my taste, but thats his music, because I can't judge a person I've never held a conversation with.

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 13 2012, 08:21 AM

Yeah it's funny.. I also haven't actually heard his music yet but I just know that I don't like it already !

Posted by: Sensible Jones Jun 13 2012, 09:02 AM

Let's face facts here, ever since they began selling Records there have been pre-manufactured Pop Stars aimed specifically at certain demographics. This was very prevalent through the 80's and 90's (especially in England with Stock, Aitkin and Waterman and in America with NKOTB et all!!) and are evn more evident these days. Record Companies are there to make money and this is just an example of a carefuly chosen product which has been very successfully marketed and produced!!

To be a bit more blunt I could quote Paul Simon from 'The Boy in the Bubble':-
"Every generation throws a hero up the Pop Chart!"

Posted by: tonymiro Jun 13 2012, 09:11 AM

Just as Neil says above. It's his ten minutes of fame. He'll be last years thing pretty soon and in ten years time people will be saying, 'Justin who?'

60s had The Monkees, 70s had Bay City Rollers/Osmonds, 2000s had lots of Irish boy bands

Having said that... despite being the target demographic and despiteavidely reading various teen magazines my 12 year old daughter can't stand him. She's more in to 60's stuff (The Kinks, The Who, Small Faces and The Stones) and Reggae though.

Posted by: PosterBoy Jun 13 2012, 09:35 AM

He's got good management. And I'm sure he works hard, and probably isn't making that much money at the end of the day. I would think he is just getting perfomance royalties. Management, record company and writers will be getting most of the money made.

If he has any wits about him he will be learning as much as he can about his trade and music business as he can so he can evolve in his career. Stick around in the recording studio and not just sing his parts and go etc.

JT managed to become a credible artist after being in a boyband, where he has more control over his music rather than just being a record company's puppet.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 14 2012, 08:03 AM

I totally agree with Ben's approach on the matter For me, he's just like a little baby boy, trying to cuddle up to gorgeous 25-30 year old women, for a bit of attention and God knows what else

Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jun 14 2012, 08:46 AM

Haha, for those gorgeous 25-30 year old woman with a bit of brain, that would sound like a pedophilia .
He's main target's are probably gorgeous 10 - 15 year old woman

Posted by: Sparrow Jun 14 2012, 12:36 PM

Read an interview with Slash where he wanted to take Bieber to a strip club the first time they met but his mom wouldn't let him go

Posted by: JTaylor Jun 14 2012, 01:04 PM

Not at all. I would never willingly listen to his music, but I don't hate him. He's just a kid of a different generation, doing his job, and making a lot of money.

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 14 2012, 01:10 PM

Jaxetin Bieber

Posted by: JTaylor Jun 14 2012, 04:44 PM

I actually just watched the video. I have a few observations and questions:

1. Is he old enough to drive?
2. He plays guitar better than Lil Wayne.
3. Do those little girls parents know they are dressed like that?!
4. Justin Beiber (or somebody on the video) has very good taste in automobiles.
5. He actually has a good voice, in my opinion.
6. After seeing those scantily clad girls, I am, more than ever, glad my wife and I have a son.
7. And now, I have that stupid song stuck in my head!!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 14 2012, 07:11 PM

hahaha cool analysis.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 14 2012, 07:13 PM

Dude! I totally wish for a son myself... I am scared to death of having a beautiful daughter

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 14 2012, 07:14 PM

LOL Do you know Murphy's Law Cosmin??

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 14 2012, 07:42 PM

Did you know guys are most likely to sire daughters rather than boys...? Apparantly it's to do with the temperature of sperm or something.

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 14 2012, 07:47 PM

Oh noo I don't believe that.. If that was true there would be more females than males, don't you think so?

Posted by: rokchik Jun 14 2012, 10:42 PM

Hate is such a strong word

Too be honest I don't pay much attention to all the Bieber hype. He's the "it" guy for the 5-15 yr old girls. When I was a kid it was New Kids on the Block and scores of others. Pop music needs to sell and who better to sell too then kids who's parents will spend copious amounts of cash to keep them happy. Beiber tickets, Beiber dolls, Beiber posters... etc. But hey good on him for making it whether ya like him or not he's doing what he loves and getting paid for it.

Oh and it's not just parents spending cash... this aunt(me ) just paid $175 bucks so that her 6 yrs old niece can have back stage passes to see Mr. Beiber.... the response was a very loud and ear piercing squeal and a "best ever aunt" chant. So thanks Beibs... my niece thinks I'm cooler than the other side of the pillow thanks to you

I also love this

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 14 2012, 10:59 PM

Aaaaa damn it I was going to post this this is pretty awesome
I love it when he goes "How many bloody G's are there ? " haha

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 15 2012, 12:06 AM

hahahah this video is Epic! I had never seen it.

Posted by: Yash Jun 15 2012, 11:35 AM

Yes, he is certainly living every musicians dream. He has everything he would love too had. He is my age, for people of my age. Here's what the stand on him is. Its divided

Some guys (like me) HATE him, for being so untalented, not having his voice changed, girly looking, yet having so much money and girls around him. My brother says I sound a lot like Adam Gontier (of Three Days Grace, don't know how true is this statement, maybe 1% ) And he or even me would make a great pop singer, had I not fallen into Rock and Metal. But I am glad I have. I love what I am musically fallen into, no remorse

The second group, ACTUALLY LIKES AND ADMIRES HIM. And therefore, they get more lucky, and popular with girls and overall in the school. And even make fun of guys like me just hide the talent and goodness. (everyone in my school except me and 3-4 others fall into this category )

And for the girls, mostly like him, sorry love him.



Thank god, I didn't watch that vid. And congrats you have a son





So, we may assume Cosmin's gonna have a daughter

Kiddin, wish u have a son Cosmin He's gonna be a better guitar player than me by the time he is 10



Not temperature, the weight. Some medical info for all you guys. (Maybe some of you know, who had Bio in high school )

There are 2 sex chromosomes, X (heavier) and Y (lighter). Men have one copy of each. Women have two X and no Y. A sperm has only one, either X or Y, ovum has X, always. Since a sperm with X is slightly heavier than one with Y, it'll more likely fertilize and Therefore, more likely to have a girl.



THIS IS TRUE. As mother nature made it, there should be more girls, but due to some evil stuffs, which I won't mention on the forum, there are more boys.

In India, there are approx 840 girls per 1000 boys as of 2011 census.

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 15 2012, 02:03 PM

The information is correct, however, incomplete and the conclusion is not quite correct. It is a much more delicate issue than you would think... The X chromosome is slightly heavier, that is correct. On the other hand being heavier they are therefore slower. Y chromosomes are faster. So naively you would think that the sperm with the Y chromosome would reach the egg first. However, Y chromosomes on the average have smaller lifetimes! Also the Y chromosomes prefer alkaline conditions as compared to the X chromosome.. Therefore it is a very delicate balance and it all very much depends on the time of the fertilization process and many other conditions like temperature, number of male sperms, how deep they are ejaculated and so on... Sorry if I am being too explicit here but trying to avoid urban legends

Posted by: Yash Jun 15 2012, 02:09 PM

I didn't think about the speed Stupid me, I was just thinking about the lifetime of the sperms Thanks for making my knowledge complete Opetholic. And I think we can be a little, just a little explicit to teach the others And are you a doctor ??

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 15 2012, 02:12 PM

I am a doctor but not a medical doctor I have a PhD in physics

Posted by: Yash Jun 15 2012, 02:17 PM

Awesome, UberCool I love physics too. Man I wished I met you earlier, I would have scored better this year I could ask my doubts and maybe be able to shoot questions too

You still have a good knowledge of Bio ???? How did that come by. Just interest or you had Bio in graduation or lower level like High School

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 15 2012, 02:22 PM

Hehe thanks yea you can ask me your physics questions I wouldn't say I have a good knowledge of Bio. I had a lot of Bio back then but I forgot almost everything. But I am interested in all branches of science in general..

Posted by: Yash Jun 15 2012, 02:30 PM

That's why I said I wished I met you earlier, I am most probably done with physics now. I'll be trying to get admission into Anthropology, or Biomedical Science..... Or if it does happen, I might be selected in AIIMS, the best medical college in India.

Or else, B.Sc Hons in Anthropology, Biomedical Science, Biological Science, Chemistry, Or if none of these, then Physics. Then I'll need your help, BIG time

Posted by: Opetholic Jun 15 2012, 02:32 PM

That's pretty cool I hope you get in. Best of luck!

Posted by: Yash Jun 15 2012, 02:35 PM

Which one, do you hope, B.Sc or MBBS ?

Posted by: snackajacks Jun 15 2012, 06:48 PM

I think it is sad that people judge other people by music.
Think about it, music is about feeling, emotion, can make people happy.

If you make people happy with your music, I think its good and I can't hate on that.
Its just that Justin bieber's music doesn't interest me.

Posted by: Todd Simpson Jun 16 2012, 09:16 AM

I think many folks/musicians, sort of HATE what he represents in terms of "product" that is pre-sold, predictable, formulaic, inauthentic, etc.

He can actually play instruments, and can compose music. But what he's been packaged and sold as, is easy to become a bit sickened by. Such obvious tween girl spending bait. It's almost hard not to be offended by some aspects of it. It doesn't urge me to violence, personally. But it sure is icky.

There are some parallels between JUSTIN BEIBER and OLA ENGLUND! (Believe it or not

JUSTIN
(Satan's Spawn)
*Started on Youtube
*Got discovered by someone (American Rapper/Producer)
*Went on tour
*Made Millions

OLA
(Satan's Rythm Guitar Player)
*Got discovered by someone (No, not by Satan, by SIX FEET UNDER, close but not the same)
*Went on tour
*Made enough money to buy new strings.

Posted by: PosterBoy Jun 16 2012, 12:39 PM

He gets to make out with Selena Gomez too. If I was his age I'd be very jealous of him. (I'm a little too old for that not to be creepy at my current age)

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 16 2012, 07:03 PM

Can't agree more! Nice post mate. This is exactly what I feel.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 16 2012, 07:18 PM

..and somehow Justin Bieber is taking all the forum attention

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 16 2012, 08:20 PM

Yeah... who's idea was it to start a thread on Justi...

Oh wait..

Gabrielllllllllllllllll !!!!!!!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 16 2012, 10:05 PM

my most popular thread in the last weeks...

I started one talking about the awesome drummer that plays in Porcupine Tree and nobody replied it (Check it http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=44819)... What is happening guys?? Should I do a Justin Bieber style lesson???

Posted by: Bossie Jun 16 2012, 11:32 PM

Well the debate is closed ...

Posted by: Yash Jun 17 2012, 07:47 AM

Result - He sucks and gets attention for nothing

Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jun 17 2012, 12:17 PM

For Christ's sake wHy should i HATE somebody that's so BAD!?!?!?!


666

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 17 2012, 08:56 PM

hahahaha thanks Jimi! We'll always need you!

Posted by: JesseJ Jun 18 2012, 03:09 AM

I think most of his fans are girls from 10-13 or so . just my take. Still have yet to meet a guy who is a fan of him, or an adult . You don't have to hate him but you don't have to like him either .

Posted by: Yash Jun 18 2012, 05:15 AM

There are guys who like him, and admire him. Read my earlier post in this topic

Posted by: Ben Higgins Jun 18 2012, 08:38 AM

Don't keep it going... it's closed ! Closed !! CLOOOOOSED !!!

Posted by: Yash Jun 18 2012, 08:40 AM

So why did you add another reply Ben ???

Oops, I added one again

Posted by: PosterBoy Jun 18 2012, 08:47 AM

I've decided to do a student lesson on Music to attract 10-15 yr old girls who's interested?

Posted by: Yash Jun 18 2012, 08:53 AM

I am But can we raise the age group to 15-20

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 18 2012, 03:41 PM

So, this should be the last post on this thread. Good bye Justin.

Posted by: Cosmin Lupu Jun 18 2012, 03:45 PM

Actually, while preparing a gig journal for GMC I came up with this...guess who Motley Crue included in their stage show on Friday:



Check out minute 3.17 the sound is not what it should be but the image is priceless

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 18 2012, 04:09 PM

hahahah he is everywhere!

Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jun 18 2012, 05:07 PM

I hope these guys will sacrifice and then eat Justin Bieber alive!

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 18 2012, 06:07 PM

Posted by: bleez Jun 19 2012, 12:46 AM

LOL! That is brilliant especially will the picture straight after it. Nice

Posted by: fkalich Jun 19 2012, 04:19 AM

[quote name='Gabriel Leopardi' date='Jun 12 2012, 12:18 PM' post='589518']
You will think that I live in a bubble but today is the first time that I watched a video and heard a song by Justin Bieber.
Do you hate him? Why?


I don't hate him, anymore than I hate cockroaches. In fact I just captured one in my garage and put it outside today, I do that sometimes with bugs. I would do the same for Justin Bieber. I have never listened to him. I don't have to listen to him to know that he is crap, any more than I have to sniff a dog's butt to know it is a dog. Some things are self evident at a glance.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 19 2012, 05:20 AM

and this thread keeps rolling...

Posted by: Slavenko Erazer Jun 19 2012, 12:52 PM

And you started it , man.

You should have deleted the topic , when you could

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Jun 19 2012, 10:55 PM

I'm not able to do that!

Posted by: Azzaboi Jun 20 2012, 07:30 AM

Justin Bieber is old news...

We should be hating on urm mini Justin Bieber now! MattyB

He's stealing other people's crappy songs and making them sound well better than they where (as G rated) at 8 years old: