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Nov 19 2014, 04:48 PM
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I have been working on an instrumental tune for waaay too long (8 months I think?!) - and I am almost finished... (Ah that famous 'almost'
 )I am currently stuck trying to make the mix work - and as usual I am testing a million new mixing techniques and [as usual, again] - I am kinda confused on how this song actually sounds..! So if you would like to try it with your monitors / ears you would do me a big favor. Does anything stick out as weird? What part? Thanks! 
oh_brother_nov19_sneak_peak.mp3 ( 3.78MB )
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Nov 19 2014, 06:44 PM
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On a first listen I have got similar impression as AK Rich. Part at 1:04 appears to have a loud backing track instruments with a lead guitar in the background making it slightly hard to "focus on it".
Maybe this was the desired effect though for that section?  I'm noticing a tendency for lead guitar (and track in general) to sound very cool on high volume but somehow lead track becomes "overshadowed" by piano clarity on lower volume, even in the intro section up to 1:03 mark. Very cool track BTW - can't wait to hear the final version
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Nov 20 2014, 12:07 AM
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I like it overall.
I would put some more 'room' (reverb/delay) on the lead part before the big orchestration comes in and maybe pull it back slightly in the mix. When the big orchestration comes in dry up the lead guitar and push it up in the mix. *None of the little guitar type string/fret/finger bother me at all. In fact, it makes it sound like it's 'real'. Keep 'em in there! This post has been edited by klasaine: Nov 20 2014, 12:09 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Nov 20 2014, 02:47 PM
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Big thanks for helping me out, your feedback is very appreciated!
QUOTE (klasaine @ Nov 20 2014, 01:07 AM)  I would put some more 'room' (reverb/delay) on the lead part before the big orchestration comes in and maybe pull it back slightly in the mix. When the big orchestration comes in dry up the lead guitar and push it up in the mix. Excellent advice Ken, I did exactly as you said. QUOTE (Amir Razmara @ Nov 20 2014, 05:52 AM) That noise is on the 3rd beat of bar 4. If you count 4 bars from where the piano starts you'll hear it. I was pointing to the slide right before the fast shred run. Ok sorry I get it now. With the new mix I think the guitar cuts through a bit more, and hopefully should improve this a bit. The noise you heard is unfortunately further amplified, but I'd prefer not go in and mess with the guitar audio file. @ Bogdan and AK - Big thanks again, I have now increased presence/treble of lead guitar and I think there is a difference - hopefully to the better. Here is the full song version. Please let me know if you react on anything here!
oh_brother_nov20.mp3 ( 8.03MB )
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Nov 21 2014, 02:09 AM
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The new version sounds as improvement on my speakers in terms of cutting through.
Factor to consider: I'm listening to it on pretty low volume at the moment, I'll give it another listen on higher volume too. Impressions (writing them as I listen to the track): * Intro section up to 1:03 - no specific issues with the mix * Verse 1:30 - no specific issues with the mix * Shuffle section - no specific issues with the mix * Outro (2:28) - overpowering backing instruments with similar guitar tone/frequencies. I get slight impression that guitar loses focus (and drops in the mix) in this section due to strings in the backing. It might be that strings are just too loud as guitar seems to cut through. -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Nov 23 2014, 03:37 PM
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Thanks again guys, I have added your names in the credits for this song's video. I am preparing a post about it to share some of my new insights!
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Nov 27 2014, 01:53 AM
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Ears are amazing in their ability to focus things out! Just last week I was working on a mix, thought i had it decent, then the next day I listened to it as a whole, and something obviously wrong stared me in the face. A bouncy bass-string was flubbing a note for a whole 4 bars!
I've read a lot of articles on mixing, and the constant theme I get is that you have to give your ears rest between actual mixing and listening. The issue is that during mixing, your ears focus on individual parts/tracks, and as such, you don't pay attention to the other tracks as closely - they become ignored background noise. Once you're in that mode of listening, your ears continue being drawn to the particulars even when trying to listen to the song as a whole. I'm told you have to let it rest (a day?) and come back with fresh ears and listen "generally" for the obvious overall mix, first thing so you don't stick your ears into fine-tune mode. Once you start tweaking things - you're ears are in focus mode and you're ruined (at least I am) in terms of listening to the sound as a whole from that point on. I'm learning mixing and it is nothing short of challenging! This post has been edited by SirJamsalot: Nov 27 2014, 01:54 AM -------------------- The more I practice, the more I wish I had time to practice!
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Nov 27 2014, 09:47 AM
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Very good points Sir!
QUOTE (SirJamsalot @ Nov 27 2014, 01:53 AM) I've read a lot of articles on mixing, and the constant theme I get is that you have to give your ears rest between actual mixing and listening. This is a key point, however my problem is that I am trying to cut down on the production times (which I feel are excessive). Even though I'll often do one-man-band stuff and not need to wait for anyone else to deliver, a song will take me 4-5 months absolute minimum, usually much longer. As for the mixing I could go on forever. This is why it can be so useful to get someone else's opinion, or even let someone else do the final tweaks (aka send your track in for mastering). Btw here is the version I ended up with, credits here. |
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Jan 4 2015, 03:39 PM
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I listened back to this one now, and I think the problem is that it's completely "overmixed". With 100 tracks and several hundreds of inserts I don't feel like touching this one anymore though
 but I think this high resolution version somehow sounds substantially better, maybe because there so many effects added?https://soundcloud.com/kristoferdahl/oh-brother Anyhow I have learned many lessons while working on this tune, and it's worth its' weight in gold for me! (that's a Swedish expression btw, not sure it translates?!  )
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