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Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 2 2009, 12:41 AM

Hi Lester,

please write here something about yourself and your goals as guitar player smile.gif

Cheers,
Jerry

Posted by: Lester Dec 2 2009, 09:48 AM

Hi Jerry,

First I'd like to say it's an honour to be thaught by you, I'm looking forward to it.

About me:

My name is Lester,I am 20 years old and I live in Zwolle, The Netherlands.
I started to play guitar when I was 15 years old.I did private lessons for two years I think and then joined GMC after some time.

here's a pic (with my sister) to give you an idea who you are talking to:



Music:

Anything really!

I am really into hard rock, bands like Skillet, Thousand Foot Krutch and Pillar.
If you have never hear d of those bands, it's not strange: they are all christian bands and thus not very well known everywhere.

But I like the heavier blues a lot as well, and fingerstyle, flamenco, jazz, funk and I'm sure I forgot some right now.

A few guitarists I like a lot: Mark Knopfler, Steve Lukather,Stevie Ray Vaughan, Andy Mckee & Don Ross, Chet Atkins, Gareth Pearson and Lee Ritenour. I'm sure I forgor some smile.gif

My gear:

I currently own an Ibanez s270, a Roland cube 30 and some Suzuki acoustic guitar.

My goals:

My goals are always getting better and play in a succesfull band sometime. (or is that more like a dream? tongue.gif)

I think it's wise to learn to record properly first, I understood that I am supposed to do a REC take every month, but I only have a really crappy webcam right now.

I think that the thing I lack most is theory knowledge, so I'd like to catch up with that.

I also would like to be more allround in the basics, I really don't know where I am right now and I'd like to get a picture of that.

Another thing I am working on are open chords. I am trying to find new ways lately of playing a standard chord (like an Bb for example it can be substituted for an Bbadd9, or an Bb6/9)

And mostly: I'd like to learn how to play Jazz. But not only just a vid so I can imitate something. But I'd like to understand how it's made so I can compose some of it myself.

My favourite Jazz is Chet Atkins style and gypsy jazz.

So, I thinks that's all. Hope I covered all the info. smile.gif

Cheers,
Lester

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 2 2009, 11:51 PM

Thank you for all these infos, Lester.
Before we start to do some work, could you post here (or link) some video of you, playing the guitar?
You can also use some DAW like Reaper to record your audio with a better quality and then mix the track with your video.

Thanks smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 3 2009, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 2 2009, 11:51 PM) *
Thank you for all these infos, Lester.
Before we start to do some work, could you post here (or link) some video of you, playing the guitar?
You can also use some DAW like Reaper to record your audio with a better quality and then mix the track with your video.

Thanks smile.gif


Hi Jerry,

I think I have to buy some new gear before I can record properly.
I'll go to the store tommorow. I thought of buying a quickcam pro 9000 and a pod studio GX, that should be enough, but I'm not sure.
You need some kind of USB-interface to record sound properly right? (also with reaper)
I'm a total newbue to recording actually, I thought a webcam would do.

Do you know any other options to record? any recommandations?



Posted by: Lester Dec 3 2009, 08:55 PM

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Hi Jerry,

Here's a vid of me playing my acoustic. I tried to play my Ibanez as well, but my phonecam couldn't handle the sound.
There are a few flaws in the vid, got a bit nervous all of a sudden smile.gif


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 4 2009, 01:14 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 3 2009, 08:10 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I think I have to buy some new gear before I can record properly.
I'll go to the store tommorow. I thought of buying a quickcam pro 9000 and a pod studio GX, that should be enough, but I'm not sure.
You need some kind of USB-interface to record sound properly right? (also with reaper)
I'm a total newbue to recording actually, I thought a webcam would do.

Do you know any other options to record? any recommandations?


Quickcam pro 9000 and Pod studio GX will work fine, I guess. I never been a Pod user but I read on the web that it's an USB interface. Usually you find also some audio software (basic editions) with those products, so you can start to record yourself quicklly.
If you like the software you get with the Pod, you don't need Reaper, of course.

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 3 2009, 08:55 PM) *
 Video041.mp4 ( 7.26MB ) : 219


Hi Jerry,

Here's a vid of me playing my acoustic. I tried to play my Ibanez as well, but my phonecam couldn't handle the sound.
There are a few flaws in the vid, got a bit nervous all of a sudden smile.gif


Ok, even I can't hear the sound here, if you agree, I suggest to you to start with my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/jazz-notes1-building-chords/ lesson.

This lesson should help to understand some new concepts about the relationship between chords and scales.
So, we are moving away from open chords... smile.gif

If you find this lesson too much difficult we'll move to some simple stuff.

Let me know when you have the (working) gear so we can set a deadline.

Posted by: Lester Dec 4 2009, 01:59 PM

Hi Jerry.

I looked at the jazz lesson but i have a question: what principles/theory/scales should I know before I attempt to play this lesson?
I've seen that there are three theory lessons I should look at, but I don't know the major scale yet. So would it be wise to look at that first?

I do know how to play the minor natural scale, minor pentatonic and the blues scale.

P.S. I've bought a tascam us-144 Usb-interface plus a webcam this afternooon so I should be able to record properly soon.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 5 2009, 09:17 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 4 2009, 01:59 PM) *
Hi Jerry.

I looked at the jazz lesson but i have a question: what principles/theory/scales should I know before I attempt to play this lesson?
I've seen that there are three theory lessons I should look at, but I don't know the major scale yet. So would it be wise to look at that first?

I do know how to play the minor natural scale, minor pentatonic and the blues scale.

P.S. I've bought a tascam us-144 Usb-interface plus a webcam this afternooon so I should be able to record properly soon.


Hi Lester,
you can find some useful info about the major scale http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5040&st=0&start=0.
If you know already the minor natural scale, this is good.
There is a relationship between the major scale and the natural minor scale. The natural minor scale starts from the 6th degree of the major scale, thus they share the same notes.
C major scale: C - D - E - F - G - A - B - C
A natural minor scale: A - B - C - D - E - F - G - A
Let me know how things are going with your gear smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 5 2009, 12:05 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 5 2009, 09:17 AM) *
Hi Lester,
you can find some useful info about the major scale http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=5040&st=0&start=0.
If you know already the minor natural scale, this is good.
There is a relationship between the major scale and the natural minor scale. The natural minor scale starts from the 6th degree of the major scale, thus they share the same notes.
C major scale: C - D - E - F - G - A - B - C
A natural minor scale: A - B - C - D - E - F - G - A
Let me know how things are going with your gear smile.gif



Hi Jerry,

I am looking at the theory right now, It shouldn't be too hard to get it down, I'll just implement it in my daily practice schedule.
In the meanwhile I'll start with the jazznotes lesson, what would be the deadline?

About the gear: The webcam wasn't working when I got home so I brought it back to the store, they ordered a new one for me. I should be able to pick it up early next week.

And I'm trying to find out how the tascam and cubase work with the guitar. should be working soon as well.

I'll let you know if I have any questions.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 5 2009, 03:50 PM

Let's try to set a deadline on december 11. Obviously we'll all be happy when you'll have your gear working smile.gif
Meanwhile you can practice hard biggrin.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 7 2009, 08:01 PM

Hi Jerry,

I was studying the theory about triads and seventh chords today, please allow me to summarize to see if I understood things right.
Ok, here goes:

Major triad: root, major 3rd and perfect fifth. Major scale goes as follows: T T S T T T S

Minor triad: root, minor 3rd, perfect fifth. Minor scale goes: T S T T S T T

Diminished triad: root, minor 3rd, diminished fifth.

Augmented triad: root, major 3rd, augmented fifth.


Ok, with sevenths:

Major 7th triad: root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, major 7th. chords are denoted like: Cmaj7, or DM7

Minor 7th triad: root, minor 3rd, prefect fifth, minor 7th. chords are denoted like: Dm7 or C minor 7

Dominant 7th triad: root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, minor 7th. chords are denoted like: C7 or A7

Minor major 7th triad: root, minor 3rd, perfect fifth, major 7th. chords are denoted like: Cm/ maj7 or D minor major 7

I allready know the barred shapes of these 7th triadse (except minor major shape)

I thinks that's about it. Am I on the right way?

Lester


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 7 2009, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 7 2009, 08:01 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I was studying the theory about triads and seventh chords today, please allow me to summarize to see if I understood things right.
Ok, here goes:

Major triad: root, major 3rd and perfect fifth. Major scale goes as follows: T T S T T T S

Minor triad: root, minor 3rd, perfect fifth. Minor scale goes: T S T T S T T

Diminished triad: root, minor 3rd, diminished fifth.

Augmented triad: root, major 3rd, augmented fifth.


Ok, with sevenths:

Major 7th triad: root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, major 7th. chords are denoted like: Cmaj7, or DM7

Minor 7th triad: root, minor 3rd, prefect fifth, minor 7th. chords are denoted like: Dm7 or C minor 7

Dominant 7th triad: root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, minor 7th. chords are denoted like: C7 or A7

Minor major 7th triad: root, minor 3rd, perfect fifth, major 7th. chords are denoted like: Cm/ maj7 or D minor major 7

I allready know the barred shapes of these 7th triadse (except minor major shape)

I thinks that's about it. Am I on the right way?

Lester


Yes, you're on the right way.
Unfortunately, there's no standard way to write chords. Cmaj7, CΔ and C7M (CM7 is not the best choice, since the confusion with Cm7) are the same thing.
Let me know if you can record something as soon as possilbe.

Posted by: Lester Dec 8 2009, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 7 2009, 11:56 PM) *
Yes, you're on the right way.
Unfortunately, there's no standard way to write chords. Cmaj7, CΔ and C7M (CM7 is not the best choice, since the confusion with Cm7) are the same thing.
Let me know if you can record something as soon as possilbe.


I am able to record audio right now, I should be able to make the deadline on friday. I am expecting my webcam tommorow.
I have another question though:

We have the major scale as follows: T T S T T T S, from wich you can construct a Major 7th triad. (root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, major 7th)

And we can construct a minor 7th triad from the minor natural scale: T S T T S T T. (root, minor 3rd, perfect fifth and minor 7th)

But if we take the dominant 7th for example (root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, minor 7th) we get a scale formula as follows:

T T S T T S T

Can we call this a major dominant scale or something like that? or do we call it a major scale anyways?

Posted by: Lester Dec 9 2009, 12:15 AM

Hi jerry,

I studied all of the theory now and started to play the progressions
First of all, I want to say: great lesson! I love the way you use 4 string sets in order to be able to play many different chords in a small area of the fretboard. Also: there's al lot of info there in one lesson, which I like smile.gif

I still have a few questions though, if you don't mind smile.gif

In the lesson we use this chord progression:

Imaj7, IIm7, IIIm7, IVmaj7, V7, VImin, VIIm7/5

I was wondering: is there any particular reason it's like this? I know the tonic is always major and the supertonic minor, etc.
But the subtonic is a -m7/5 chord for example, where it could be a -m7 chord as well. so, why do we use this one?
Is it a standard jazz-progression? I'm sorry if I'm asking something obvious mellow.gif

and about the excercices at the end of the vid:

1. Take the basic major progression you have seen, and play it in a couple of different keys, using the different string sets for each one

2. Sit down without your guitar, and write out tabs or music for the major progression for a particular key or keys

Did you mean for me to do these assignments for coming friday? or just play the chords progressions displayed in the main vid? if not, I'd like to do these 2 assignments as well smile.gif thing is, I don't really understand assignment 2. do you mean write the chord progression or write out the full chords? or plain notes?

And the last question: can I have the backingtrack for this lesson so I can import it in cubase and play over it?

I'm sorry for the big amount of text and questions, hope you don't mind.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 9 2009, 01:35 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 9 2009, 12:15 AM) *
Hi jerry,

I studied all of the theory now and started to play the progressions
First of all, I want to say: great lesson! I love the way you use 4 string sets in order to be able to play many different chords in a small area of the fretboard. Also: there's al lot of info there in one lesson, which I like smile.gif


Thanks biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 8 2009, 04:30 PM) *
But if we take the dominant 7th for example (root, major 3rd, perfect fifth, minor 7th) we get a scale formula as follows:

T T S T T S T

Can we call this a major dominant scale or something like that? or do we call it a major scale anyways?


This is the mixolydian scale. Modes are explained http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/jazz-notes-3-modes-workout/ in the Jazz Notes series smile.gif


QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 9 2009, 12:15 AM) *
I still have a few questions though, if you don't mind smile.gif

In the lesson we use this chord progression:

Imaj7, IIm7, IIIm7, IVmaj7, V7, VImin, VIIm7/5

I was wondering: is there any particular reason it's like this? I know the tonic is always major and the supertonic minor, etc.
But the subtonic is a -m7/5 chord for example, where it could be a -m7 chord as well. so, why do we use this one?
Is it a standard jazz-progression? I'm sorry if I'm asking something obvious mellow.gif


Feel free to ask everything comes to your mind about my lessons.
This progression is not a particular one. These chords are the ones you get stacking thirds over each degree, using four voices.

The subtonic and the leading-tone are two different notes.
Let's see from the root C. Subtonic is Bb (minor 7th) while the leading-note is B (major 7th).
In the C major scale you have B, not Bb. So the chord generated over the 7th degree is a Bm7/5- (B-D-F-A). This is also called B half-diminished.

I hope the picture should make things clear





QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 9 2009, 12:15 AM) *
and about the excercices at the end of the vid:

1. Take the basic major progression you have seen, and play it in a couple of different keys, using the different string sets for each one

2. Sit down without your guitar, and write out tabs or music for the major progression for a particular key or keys

Did you mean for me to do these assignments for coming friday? or just play the chords progressions displayed in the main vid? if not, I'd like to do these 2 assignments as well smile.gif thing is, I don't really understand assignment 2. do you mean write the chord progression or write out the full chords? or plain notes?

And the last question: can I have the backingtrack for this lesson so I can import it in cubase and play over it?

I'm sorry for the big amount of text and questions, hope you don't mind.


For the assignment you can just record the lesson. If you have some time, you can do also the exercises. For the point 2. you can write the chords in the same way I did in the picture above.
Obviously if you write notes over a staff, it's a very easy job if you start with the right key signature for a particular key biggrin.gif
So, you can just write chords names smile.gif

Gonna searching the backing track right now biggrin.gif

Here's the backing track!

 BK100.MP3 ( 676.73K ) : 222

Posted by: Lester Dec 9 2009, 12:15 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 9 2009, 01:35 AM) *
Feel free to ask everything comes to your mind about my lessons.
This progression is not a particular one. These chords are the ones you get stacking thirds over each degree, using four voices.

The subtonic and the leading-tone are two different notes.
Let's see from the root C. Subtonic is Bb (minor 7th) while the leading-note is B (major 7th).
In the C major scale you have B, not Bb. So the chord generated over the 7th degree is a Bm7/5- (B-D-F-A). This is also called B half-diminished.

I hope the picture should make things clear



Thanks for the quick reply.
Good to know about the subtonic and the leading tone, I didn't know there was a difference.

so in this case the root is a C7M because we have a major 7th in the scale? C D E F G A B C

but why is the 5th degree a G7 and not a G7M, it has a major 7th right? G A B C D E F# C

QUOTE
So the chord generated over the 7th degree is a Bm7/5- (B-D-F-A). This is also called B half-diminished.


I don't get this part either, I don't see how the construction goes.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 9 2009, 12:45 PM

We have G7 because we have a F note in the C major scale. We are building chords over THIS scale.
You find G7M over the first degree of the G major scale, as example. G major scale has the F# note, C major not!!
Hope things are clear now.

Posted by: Lester Dec 9 2009, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 9 2009, 12:45 PM) *
We have G7 because we have a F note in the C major scale. We are building chords over THIS scale.
You find G7M over the first degree of the G major scale, as example. G major scale has the F# note, C major not!!
Hope things are clear now.


Ok, I understand it now. Thanks a lot for the explanations smile.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 9 2009, 03:43 PM

That's fine smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 9 2009, 10:59 PM

Hi Jerry,

I was wondering: the Bm7/5- is basicly a Bdim with an added 7th (major 3rd on top or leading tone) which makes it half diminished, right?
What will happen when we add a minor 7th or a subtonic to a diminished chord? another notation?

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 9 2009, 11:25 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 9 2009, 10:59 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I was wondering: the Bm7/5- is basicly a Bdim with an added 7th (major 3rd on top or leading tone) which makes it half diminished, right?
What will happen when we add a minor 7th or a subtonic to a diminished chord? another notation?


I'm not sure I understand your question. Talking about C as root, do you mean to put a Bb (minor 7th) over a Cdim7 (written also C°,C°7,Cdim) to have C-Eb-Gb-Bbb + Bb ??
This chord is a bit dissonant. Anyway you can call it Cm7add13/5- if you think Bbb enharmonically as A.
Before we take a look at some advanced concepts it would be cool to see a video of you smile.gif
Also, when I will be able to listen to your playing we'll discuss about your REC take.

Posted by: Lester Dec 10 2009, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 9 2009, 11:25 PM) *
I'm not sure I understand your question. Talking about C as root, do you mean to put a Bb (minor 7th) over a Cdim7 (written also C°,C°7,Cdim) to have C-Eb-Gb-Bbb + Bb ??
This chord is a bit dissonant. Anyway you can call it Cm7add13/5- if you think Bbb enharmonically as A.
Before we take a look at some advanced concepts it would be cool to see a video of you smile.gif
Also, when I will be able to listen to your playing we'll discuss about your REC take.



This is what I meant with my question:

In the progression we have a Bm7/5-.
it consists of the root, minor 3rd, diminished 5th and a minor 7th.
the relative intervals are: root, minor 3rd, minor 3rd, major 3rd.
what happens when the last interval is a minor 3rd? (I formulated it wrong, I asked about a minor 7th, but making that interval minor makes it a 6th rather, i guess...)
And now that I think of it: why do we call the chord above a Bm7/5- and not just a Bdim7? Is Bdim7 a good notation as well?

About the recording:
I got my logitech quickcam today, I won't be able to record tommorow yet (lack of time) but friday you will hear me playing. I will record the lesson as well as a demo of my general playing. I'm at school all afternoon on friday, but I'll get to it when I get home, you use cubase as well, right? do you know how to sync my sound with the cam?

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 10 2009, 07:10 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 10 2009, 12:10 AM) *
This is what I meant with my question:

In the progression we have a Bm7/5-.
it consists of the root, minor 3rd, diminished 5th and a minor 7th.
the relative intervals are: root, minor 3rd, minor 3rd, major 3rd.
what happens when the last interval is a minor 3rd? (I formulated it wrong, I asked about a minor 7th, but making that interval minor makes it a 6th rather, i guess...)
And now that I think of it: why do we call the chord above a Bm7/5- and not just a Bdim7? Is Bdim7 a good notation as well?

About the recording:
I got my logitech quickcam today, I won't be able to record tommorow yet (lack of time) but friday you will hear me playing. I will record the lesson as well as a demo of my general playing. I'm at school all afternoon on friday, but I'll get to it when I get home, you use cubase as well, right? do you know how to sync my sound with the cam?


Stacking minor thirds you get a diminished 7th chord. As I wrote in my previous post there are many notations to write this.
C - Eb - Gb - Bbb are the notes of Cdim7, written also C°, C°7, Cdim. There is some confusion around, about the "dim" notation. Some books use "dim" for triads while some others are referring to the diminished 7th chord.
Usually you have some legend somewhere in the book which make things clear.
You find the diminished 7h chord as example over the 7th degree of the harmonic minor scale.
To keep things simple take a look at A harmonic minor which is A - B - C - D - E - F - G# - A.
Over the 7th degree you get G# - B - D - F which is G#°7.
Each note can be another root if you spell the names in the right way. Starting from B you get B - D - F - Ab, which is B°7.

I record the audio with Cubase and then I sync it with the video using Vegas or Movie Maker. If you take a look on the forum I'm sure you'll find many different solutions to do this. Members write their gear on each REC take. Looking forward to hear from you.

Posted by: Lester Dec 10 2009, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 10 2009, 07:10 AM) *
Stacking minor thirds you get a diminished 7th chord. As I wrote in my previous post there are many notations to write this.
C - Eb - Gb - Bbb are the notes of Cdim7, written also C°, C°7, Cdim. There is some confusion around, about the "dim" notation. Some books use "dim" for triads while some others are referring to the diminished 7th chord.
Usually you have some legend somewhere in the book which make things clear.
You find the diminished 7h chord as example over the 7th degree of the harmonic minor scale.
To keep things simple take a look at A harmonic minor which is A - B - C - D - E - F - G# - A.
Over the 7th degree you get G# - B - D - F which is G#°7.
Each note can be another root if you spell the names in the right way. Starting from B you get B - D - F - Ab, which is B°7.

I record the audio with Cubase and then I sync it with the video using Vegas or Movie Maker. If you take a look on the forum I'm sure you'll find many different solutions to do this. Members write their gear on each REC take. Looking forward to hear from you.



Allright, thank you for the explanation. I think I get it now.
I discovered a Dutch jazz band yesterday, I like them a lot: room eleven.
ever heard of them?


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 10 2009, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 10 2009, 11:25 AM) *
Allright, thank you for the explanation. I think I get it now.
I discovered a Dutch jazz band yesterday, I like them a lot: room eleven.
ever heard of them?


Never heard about them, sorry. I will search some info about their music.

Posted by: Lester Dec 11 2009, 07:29 PM

Hi Jerry,

I tried to record something for the last hours, but when I played it the image was gone and the sound was bad and I can't upload it right now for some reason.
I have to leave home now, I won't be able to do another take this evening, so it will be tommorow, I'm sorry about that, I still need to figure all this gear out.

Sorry again!
Lester

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 11 2009, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 11 2009, 07:29 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I tried to record something for the last hours, but when I played it the image was gone and the sound was bad and I can't upload it right now for some reason.
I have to leave home now, I won't be able to do another take this evening, so it will be tommorow, I'm sorry about that, I still need to figure all this gear out.

Sorry again!
Lester


Ok, I'm waiting for your take.

Posted by: Lester Dec 12 2009, 08:48 PM

Hi Jerry,

Here's my first take on the jazz notes lesson, I still haven't got the camera working.
For some inexplainable reason the image is left out of the final mix.
I hope to have it fixed soon.

I do have recorded an audio take, to not further delay things.
I still have some difficulties with a few chords, especially the minor chords on the highest four string and the chords around the 15th fret are a little harder than the rest.
Here is my take:

 jazz_notes_1_Lester.wma ( 1.58MB ) : 198


Cheers!

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 13 2009, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 12 2009, 08:48 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

Here's my first take on the jazz notes lesson, I still haven't got the camera working.
For some inexplainable reason the image is left out of the final mix.
I hope to have it fixed soon.

I do have recorded an audio take, to not further delay things.
I still have some difficulties with a few chords, especially the minor chords on the highest four string and the chords around the 15th fret are a little harder than the rest.
Here is my take:

 jazz_notes_1_Lester.wma ( 1.58MB ) : 198


Cheers!


Very nice take Lester smile.gif
Remember that those chords over the higher frets are useful to understand how the progression goes through the neck.
Usually you don't need to use them while comping other instruments but you can use them to play some arpeggio during your solos, of course.
About your next assignment I suggest my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/jazz-notes-3-modes-workout/ lesson.
So you can learn modes of the major scale and meanwhile you'll play all the scales with alternate picking technique. I haven't heard you playing single notes, yet. In this way I can check better your current level of playing.
If you agree about the lesson, the deadline for the 2nd assignment is december 18 - we need to recover some time!
Talking about the REC, you can take a look at my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/jazz-notes-5-ii-v-i-progression-licks/: Licks lesson. The II-V-I progression is a very important topic in Jazz music.
Let me know what you think about it and maybe you can also suggest some other lesson if you think you can master it in time.

Posted by: Lester Dec 13 2009, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 13 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Very nice take Lester smile.gif
Remember that those chords over the higher frets are useful to understand how the progression goes through the neck.
Usually you don't need to use them while comping other instruments but you can use them to play some arpeggio during your solos, of course.
About your next assignment I suggest my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/jazz-notes-3-modes-workout/ lesson.
So you can learn modes of the major scale and meanwhile you'll play all the scales with alternate picking technique. I haven't heard you playing single notes, yet. In this way I can check better your current level of playing.
If you agree about the lesson, the deadline for the 2nd assignment is december 18 - we need to recover some time!
Talking about the REC, you can take a look at my http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/jazz-notes-5-ii-v-i-progression-licks/: Licks lesson. The II-V-I progression is a very important topic in Jazz music.
Let me know what you think about it and maybe you can also suggest some other lesson if you think you can master it in time.


Hi Jerry!

The lessons are fine with me, I don't know a thing about modes yet, so that will be a lot of theorie again! smile.gif
I hope I can make the deadline, I had a bicycle accident last monday and it's hard for me to play with a pick right now, because my hands are wounded smile.gif But I think I'll be fine, I' just start with the theory.

When Is the REC supposed to be done? at the end of the month I thought, right?
I was thinking, maybe we could summarize things at the end of each month, so after each REC take, we take the topics we did in the weeks before and make an extra assignment for each topic. for example the ones mentioned at the end of vid 1 in your jazz notes 1 lesson.

I think that would help me freshen things up, otherwise we'll just move on and on, nothing wrong with that, but I feel this way the handled topics will stick better. and it will help me in my componing skills.

Let me know what you think.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 14 2009, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 13 2009, 09:02 PM) *
Hi Jerry!

The lessons are fine with me, I don't know a thing about modes yet, so that will be a lot of theorie again! smile.gif
I hope I can make the deadline, I had a bicycle accident last monday and it's hard for me to play with a pick right now, because my hands are wounded smile.gif But I think I'll be fine, I' just start with the theory.

When Is the REC supposed to be done? at the end of the month I thought, right?
I was thinking, maybe we could summarize things at the end of each month, so after each REC take, we take the topics we did in the weeks before and make an extra assignment for each topic. for example the ones mentioned at the end of vid 1 in your jazz notes 1 lesson.

I think that would help me freshen things up, otherwise we'll just move on and on, nothing wrong with that, but I feel this way the handled topics will stick better. and it will help me in my componing skills.

Let me know what you think.


Hi Lester, wish you a quick recovery!
Yes, the REC should be done at the end of the month.
About the extra assignments, you can find some exercises at the end of video #1 of many JN lessons.
If there aren't exercises in a particular lesson we are covering, I can suggest some specific exercise, of course. Since we're a bit late right now, it's very important to focus on playing and recording, in my opinion.
At the end of the month I will write a post which summarize your progress. This is already a feature of the MTP program, don't worry.

Posted by: Lester Dec 14 2009, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 14 2009, 09:03 AM) *
Hi Lester, wish you a quick recovery!
Yes, the REC should be done at the end of the month.
About the extra assignments, you can find some exercises at the end of video #1 of many JN lessons.
If there aren't exercises in a particular lesson we are covering, I can suggest some specific exercise, of course. Since we're a bit late right now, it's very important to focus on playing and recording, in my opinion.
At the end of the month I will write a post which summarize your progress. This is already a feature of the MTP program, don't worry.


Allright! we'll do it that way then!
If I find some time time I will do the extra assignments, in that case I'll just post them here.
so....I'll get studying now smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 17 2009, 09:51 PM

Hi Jerry!

Can I have the backingtrack for jazz notes 3?
I would like to record take now.

Cheers!
Lester

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 17 2009, 11:17 PM

Here's the backing track. Happy recording smile.gif

 BK120.MP3 ( 940.41K ) : 251

Posted by: Lester Dec 18 2009, 03:59 PM

Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on jazz notes lesson 3, including image this time biggrin.gif hope you like it!


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 18 2009, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 18 2009, 03:59 PM) *
Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on jazz notes lesson 3, including image this time biggrin.gif hope you like it!



Sounds like a good take smile.gif
How about http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/jazz-notes4-swing-rhythm-lesson/ as your next assignment? In this way you'll start to play some chords with a swingy feel.
If you agree I will upload the backing for this lesson plus the backing for the REC.

Posted by: Lester Dec 19 2009, 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 18 2009, 11:08 PM) *
Sounds like a good take smile.gif
How about http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/jazz-notes4-swing-rhythm-lesson/ as your next assignment? In this way you'll start to play some chords with a swingy feel.
If you agree I will upload the backing for this lesson plus the backing for the REC.


I agree. I'll get working on those then. Ican you also suggest lessons about modes? I'd like to learn more about them. I'd like to know them inside out,all the boxes, so I can improvise with them. I'll get working on those then as some side project, and post those whenever ready.


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 19 2009, 02:37 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 19 2009, 12:15 AM) *
I agree. I'll get working on those then. Ican you also suggest lessons about modes? I'd like to learn more about them. I'd like to know them inside out,all the boxes, so I can improvise with them. I'll get working on those then as some side project, and post those whenever ready.


The point is that... you already know all the boxes. I chosed to explain modes in this way with my lesson, so you can connect all the boxes you have learned - after thinking a little smile.gif . Please be patient because it's not the time to start to improvise. I know you want to experiment the concepts you already know but we need to finish the assignments and the REC in time.
Meanwhile you can learn some other lesson about modes, nothing wrong with it, of course. I know my lessons best and I can't suggest some specific lesson from other instructors.
If the next month everything will be fine, you can expect many assignments about improvisation biggrin.gif

The deadline for the 3rd assignment is december 24.

Here are the backings smile.gif

 Jazz_Notes_5___backing.MP3 ( 544.49K ) : 216

 Jazz_Notes_4___backing.mp3 ( 657.55K ) : 207

Posted by: Lester Dec 19 2009, 07:54 AM

allright, I'll be patient, you're the boss! tongue.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 19 2009, 08:56 AM

We (humans) are all the same while we're learning something new. We want to learn many things as soon as possilble, playing 143546 notes per second, etc...
Take your time, trust me biggrin.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 19 2009, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 19 2009, 08:56 AM) *
We (humans) are all the same while we're learning something new. We want to learn many things as soon as possilble, playing 143546 notes per second, etc...
Take your time, trust me biggrin.gif


is that it? I could play 143546 notes per second years ago cool.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 19 2009, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 19 2009, 09:21 AM) *
is that it? I could play 143546 notes per second years ago cool.gif


I do know this. This is why we are studying some theory right now biggrin.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 19 2009, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 19 2009, 09:50 AM) *
I do know this. This is why we are studying some theory right now biggrin.gif

huh.gif
Ok, you're still the boss then. tongue.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 24 2009, 06:01 PM

Hi Jerry,

It's deadline day! smile.gif

I haven't had much time to practice, because of some concerts and work and christmas, busy times.... rolleyes.gif
Anyways,
I think I managed to learn the lesson quite well, and I was recording my vid, but I don't have any more time to complete it right now.
I have to prepare for a concert tonight.


I'll get back to you tommorow with a take if that's allright.


Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 24 2009, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 24 2009, 06:01 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

It's deadline day! smile.gif

I haven't had much time to practice, because of some concerts and work and christmas, busy times.... rolleyes.gif
Anyways,
I think I managed to learn the lesson quite well, and I was recording my vid, but I don't have any more time to complete it right now.
I have to prepare for a concert tonight.


I'll get back to you tommorow with a take if that's allright.


Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow is just fine, if you have managed the lesson.
Happy Xmas and have a good concert with your friends smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 25 2009, 12:06 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 24 2009, 06:18 PM) *
Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow is just fine, if you have managed the lesson.
Happy Xmas and have a good concert with your friends smile.gif


Thanks Jerry,

Have a good christmas as well!

Posted by: Lester Dec 25 2009, 02:16 PM

Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on jazz notes 4:



I found the F6 the hardest one to grab fast and fluently, actually it's still not that fluent. It will get there in time though.
I didn't understood too much about the explanation of the vhords in vid 1 btw. but since the lesson was mostly about getting that swing rythm, I guess it's not that important yet, right?

Oh, and about the modes: you said that I allready knew all the boxes, that has to do with relative modes, right?
Like C ionian consists of C ionian D dorian, E Phyrigian, F Lydian, G mixolydian, etc.

anyways: Buon natale! smile.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 25 2009, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 25 2009, 02:16 PM) *
Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on jazz notes 4:



I found the F6 the hardest one to grab fast and fluently, actually it's still not that fluent. It will get there in time though.
I didn't understood too much about the explanation of the vhords in vid 1 btw. but since the lesson was mostly about getting that swing rythm, I guess it's not that important yet, right?

Oh, and about the modes: you said that I allready knew all the boxes, that has to do with relative modes, right?
Like C ionian consists of C ionian D dorian, E Phyrigian, F Lydian, G mixolydian, etc.

anyways: Buon natale! smile.gif


Thank you for this paper, Lester smile.gif
Googlin' I've found "Zalig Kerstfeast" but I'm not completely sure about it biggrin.gif
Back to the topic, very nice take. Don't worry too much if you didn't fully understand the theory about this lesson. As you wrote we're working mainly on rhythm, here. The explanation is there for someone who already know some theory concept by itself.

Yes, you're right about modes. C Ionian, D Dorian, E Phrighian, etc... share the same SET of notes but you can THINK about them as different scales, connecting the boxes you already know, to play in a specific area of the neck. We'll see some exercise in the next month, hopefully.
I thought a little about your last assignment and since we're a bit late, maybe you should consider http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/jazz-notes2-triads-and-inversions/.
This is an easy lesson. At the same time, triads and inversions are a great tool to improvise if you know the current chord progression well.
Plus, in this way we are covering all the lesson from JN1 to JN5 if you can manage the REC take in time.
The link for the JN 2 backing is http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16136
Let's see if this series will teach something useful to you, for the next weeks! Read this: it's (almost) time to start to improvise...

Posted by: Lester Dec 26 2009, 09:48 AM

Zalig kerstfeast? sounds nice, but we use vrolijk kerstfeest or some other possible phrases, this sounds more like Belgian though. smile.gif

I will do Jazz notes 2! I read a bit about inversions before, but didn't really went in deeply to fully understand, seems like now I can.
Is this assignment also to be done before the 31st of December?

I'll get working on it! smile.gif




Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 26 2009, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 26 2009, 09:48 AM) *
Zalig kerstfeast? sounds nice, but we use vrolijk kerstfeest or some other possible phrases, this sounds more like Belgian though. smile.gif

I will do Jazz notes 2! I read a bit about inversions before, but didn't really went in deeply to fully understand, seems like now I can.
Is this assignment also to be done before the 31st of December?

I'll get working on it! smile.gif


Yeah, we need to finish 4 assignments and the REC before the end of the current month. Now, you have fixed your problems while recording and synch videos. This is good because in the next month we should work more relaxed, maybe with 5/6 days for each assignment while you can work more specifically on the REC through the end of the month. Also, we can discuss about the REC at the beginning of the month!

Posted by: Lester Dec 26 2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 26 2009, 10:11 AM) *
Yeah, we need to finish 4 assignments and the REC before the end of the current month. Now, you have fixed your problems while recording and synch videos. This is good because in the next month we should work more relaxed, maybe with 5/6 days for each assignment while you can work more specifically on the REC through the end of the month. Also, we can discuss about the REC at the beginning of the month!


Sounds good to me! smile.gif

I had a question about the jazz notes 2 lesson:
We look at D diminished triads in the first few vids, but I was wondering: why does this Dm/5- or so called "half diminished" keep showing up? why is it like this and not fully diminished? just wondering....

And another thing: I think there's a little mistake in the tab in vid 2 it tells me to grab a quite impossible Dm tongue.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 27 2009, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 26 2009, 11:55 PM) *
Sounds good to me! smile.gif

I had a question about the jazz notes 2 lesson:
We look at D diminished triads in the first few vids, but I was wondering: why does this Dm/5- or so called "half diminished" keep showing up? why is it like this and not fully diminished? just wondering....

And another thing: I think there's a little mistake in the tab in vid 2 it tells me to grab a quite impossible Dm tongue.gif


Dm/5- is D-F-Ab (this is a diminished triad)
Dm7/5- is D-F-Ab-C (called also half diminished but it's not a triad)

Please remember what we have discussed some posts ago about the "dim" notation!

Thank you for reporting the error on the tab. Will be fixed soon.

Posted by: Lester Dec 27 2009, 10:44 AM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Dec 27 2009, 12:30 AM) *
Dm/5- is D-F-Ab (this is a diminished triad)
Dm7/5- is D-F-Ab-C (called also half diminished but it's not a triad)

Please remember what we have discussed some posts ago about the "dim" notation!

Thank you for reporting the error on the tab. Will be fixed soon.


Ah, yes I did remember that post, but I forgot about the 7th, which in that case makes it a half-diminished.
It's actually quite logical: it contains a root, minor 3rd (which makes this a minor chord) and a diminished fifth (5-)

I think I get it, thanks! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Lester Dec 27 2009, 02:32 PM

Hi Jerry,

I think I just discovered a little mistake in vid nr. 5 of the jazz notes 2 lesson.
on the Dm/5- chord, the 14th fret is written on the 6th string, but shouldn't it be the 13th fret since we use minor 3rd in diminished chords?

If I'm right, then there's the same mistake in vid nr.6. on the Dm/5- chord.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Dec 27 2009, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 27 2009, 10:44 AM) *
Ah, yes I did remember that post, but I forgot about the 7th, which in that case makes it a half-diminished.
It's actually quite logical: it contains a root, minor 3rd (which makes this a minor chord) and a diminished fifth (5-)

I think I get it, thanks! biggrin.gif


Great smile.gif

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 27 2009, 02:32 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I think I just discovered a little mistake in vid nr. 5 of the jazz notes 2 lesson.
on the Dm/5- chord, the 14th fret is written on the 6th string, but shouldn't it be the 13th fret since we use minor 3rd in diminished chords?

If I'm right, then there's the same mistake in vid nr.6. on the Dm/5- chord.


I will check this video too. I'm leaving home right now. If there is a mistake, I need Kris' work to republish the lesson!
Thank you for reporting this!

Posted by: Lester Dec 31 2009, 12:16 PM

Hi Jerry,

I was going through the theory of the jazz notes 5 lesson and in vid1 the chord progression is being displayed.
I see the Ab7M twice though, while in the other cases we change it to the Abm7 and make it the supertonic.

Is there a reason why it is this way?

And about the notes we use for soloing:

We use the D dorian over the Dm7 chord, G mixolydian over the G7 chord and C ionan over ther C7M chord, right?
But as far as I'm concerned we stay in the D dorian mode over those 3 chords right?
talking about the part played in vid 2.

Maybe it's not what I think it is, I think so.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 1 2010, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 31 2009, 12:16 PM) *
Hi Jerry,

I was going through the theory of the jazz notes 5 lesson and in vid1 the chord progression is being displayed.
I see the Ab7M twice though, while in the other cases we change it to the Abm7 and make it the supertonic.

Is there a reason why it is this way?


It's just a typo. The lesson shows different ii-V-I progressions and after each X7M chord you just move to Xm7 chord to start the next ii-V-I.

QUOTE (Lester @ Dec 31 2009, 12:16 PM) *
And about the notes we use for soloing:

We use the D dorian over the Dm7 chord, G mixolydian over the G7 chord and C ionan over ther C7M chord, right?
But as far as I'm concerned we stay in the D dorian mode over those 3 chords right?
talking about the part played in vid 2.

Maybe it's not what I think it is, I think so.


Notes for these modes are the same if you consider them as sets. Thinking "D Dorian over Dm7, G mixolydian G7, etc. " is useful because each mode has particular tones, comparing it to the major or natural minor scale. Plus, you can use chord tones starting from the root of each chord while creating arpeggios or various licks. As example, if you have a Dm7 chord, you can start with your favourite shape of D dorian and play D-F-A-C. Over a G7 chord you can start with G mixolydian and play G-B-D-F and so on.
Hope this makes sense!

Posted by: Lester Jan 1 2010, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Jan 1 2010, 07:48 PM) *
Notes for these modes are the same if you consider them as sets. Thinking "D Dorian over Dm7, G mixolydian G7, etc. " is useful because each mode has particular tones, comparing it to the major or natural minor scale. Plus, you can use chord tones starting from the root of each chord while creating arpeggios or various licks. As example, if you have a Dm7 chord, you can start with your favourite shape of D dorian and play D-F-A-C. Over a G7 chord you can start with G mixolydian and play G-B-D-F and so on.
Hope this makes sense!


Thank you for the explanation. smile.gif
I understand the part thtat these modes have the same notes, but after that I don't quite get what you mean anymore.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 1 2010, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Jan 1 2010, 08:45 PM) *
Thank you for the explanation. smile.gif
I understand the part thtat these modes have the same notes, but after that I don't quite get what you mean anymore.


I mean that even you're using the same set of notes, each mode has its own particular sound. You can hear this particular sound especially if you play the mode over its related chord, like JN 3 shows.

Posted by: Lester Jan 1 2010, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Jan 1 2010, 09:31 PM) *
I mean that even you're using the same set of notes, each mode has its own particular sound. You can hear this particular sound especially if you play the mode over its related chord, like JN 3 shows.


right, I understand that I think.
but when I look at the lesson we keep playing D dorian over Dm7, G7 and C7M.
shouldn't we chang position to get the feel of each mode?

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 1 2010, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Jan 1 2010, 09:38 PM) *
right, I understand that I think.
but when I look at the lesson we keep playing D dorian over Dm7, G7 and C7M.
shouldn't we chang position to get the feel of each mode?


Not necessarily. Each box contains every mode, even if it starts with a different note. The point is to "see" the "right" notes in each box, while you're improvising. This means hours and hours of practice and theory studies.

Posted by: Lester Jan 2 2010, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Jerry Arcidiacono @ Jan 1 2010, 10:25 PM) *
Not necessarily. Each box contains every mode, even if it starts with a different note. The point is to "see" the "right" notes in each box, while you're improvising. This means hours and hours of practice and theory studies.


Right, I think I get it. so when you move on to a different mode in the same box the root notes change and the other intervals as well, right?

If that's true, there's indeed a lot of patterns and theory to take in.

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 2 2010, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Jan 2 2010, 12:13 PM) *
Right, I think I get it. so when you move on to a different mode in the same box the root notes change and the other intervals as well, right?

If that's true, there's indeed a lot of patterns and theory to take in.


Nothing to add smile.gif

Posted by: Lester Jan 2 2010, 06:26 PM

Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on the jazz notes 2 lesson, not that happy with it, the backing is a bit too loud compared to the guitar in my opinion and the chords weren't that convincing all the time, but I didn't have any more time for another take. after all, this was about understanding the concept of inversions smile.gif



Here's my REC take, which I do am happy with smile.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=32971

Cheers!

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 2 2010, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (Lester @ Jan 2 2010, 06:26 PM) *
Hi Jerry!

Here's my take on the jazz notes 2 lesson, not that happy with it, the backing is a bit too loud compared to the guitar in my opinion and the chords weren't that convincing all the time, but I didn't have any more time for another take. after all, this was about understanding the concept of inversions smile.gif



Here's my REC take, which I do am happy with smile.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=32971

Cheers!


Yes, it was about about understanding the concept of inversions smile.gif
I just graded your take. Good job, Lester.

Posted by: Lester Jan 2 2010, 11:09 PM

so, what do we do now? any next assignments?
I would suggest the jazz notes 6 lesson for this months REC, then I have the whole month to practice that and I think I'm going to need it! smile.gif

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Jan 3 2010, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (Lester @ Jan 2 2010, 11:09 PM) *
so, what do we do now? any next assignments?
I would suggest the jazz notes 6 lesson for this months REC, then I have the whole month to practice that and I think I'm going to need it! smile.gif


Hi Lester, please give me a little break biggrin.gif I have some flu right now and tomorrow I will have a loooooong recording session.
This month was very interesting. We have covered the JN series from 1 to 4 while you have mastered http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=32971.
Thank you for finding some typos here and there, will be fixed as soon as possible.
Yeah, JN 6 sounds like a good choice for the next month.
I just need to understand if everything was fine with our MTP program - it was the first MTP month for me too. I'm closing this thread and I will wait for a feedback from the GMC staff.

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