Kris-must Charm :: Audio Collaboration, GMC students and instructor collab |
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Dec 21 2014, 06:06 PM
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Oh my - this background track is soooo very beautiful!! I could listen to it endlessly... In my opinion its quite hard to play a solo that doesn't destroy the magical smoothness of this track. So I tried to play something very minimalistic to make the background track shine thru.
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Dec 21 2014, 07:16 PM
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Here it's my take
 Darek - thank you so much for the support 
Kris_collab_backing___guitar.wav ( 8.55MB )
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Kris_collab_guitar.wav ( 8.55MB )
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Dec 21 2014, 08:02 PM
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Right on!
A lot of GMCers already there! Very cool! My takes now
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Dec 21 2014, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Dec 21 2014, 03:58 PM)  One of my resolutions for next year is to start recording stuff again. So why not start early? https://soundcloud.com/gitarrero/kris-must-charm-gmc-collab Great resolution, and even better strategy (starting early!). I agree with Darius in the sense that this take was a bit tame. It sounds pretty good and there is nothing wrong with it, but it's more like 'elevator' music rather than a killer Gitarrero take that blows us away. It simply does not really match your character and persona - which I perceive as very colorful!  Having a 'colorful persona' is one of the greatest assets you can have as an artist - use it!I suspect you wrote this take directly on the guitar, try following Darius advice to write the lead in your head before picking up the guitar. Even if you don't end up playing what you heard in your head, this method will give you a much more creative starting point. Some brainstorming: Your take is all about long sustained notes. Inevitably it will be weaker from rhythmic perspective. Maybe experiment with palm muted and staccato notes. Although your tone is pretty cool here, you could try dialing in a less distorted tone, as the lack sustain of would force you to play different ideas. See what you come up with the new sound , then switch back to your old sound and see what happens. Also - your take would benefit from more breathing room, pauses/silences and "sacrificing of darlings". This is actually the case for many of the participants so far. |
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Dec 21 2014, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Dec 21 2014, 07:16 PM) Here it's my take Darek - thank you so much for the support
Kris_collab_backing___guitar.wav ( 8.55MB )
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Kris_collab_guitar.wav ( 8.55MB )
Number of downloads: 195Beautiful, your dynamic sound is gorgeous and it really serves your phrases well. Your take also shows a super musical approach with effective use of pauses, and call & response technique. You are doing an excellent job keeping 'within your range' (= you do not attempt to play stuff you don't master yet), this is very smart and as mentioned below I think this take is close to 'pro' sounding. We also get a bit of a surprise element / edge stuff with the high/tapped note at 00:25. Since this take is approaching pro sounding (whatever that means) I am going to point out some small details which could be dealt with to polish your take. Please take this with a pinch of salt though, since a perfect take can't be perfect - if it is to be truly perfect.  Also your type of sound, although awesome, is not very forgiving (heh guess why I like to drown my tone in way too much distortion?! )- 00:09 timing of bend and release feels just sliiightly off to me. - 00:14 hands not synced for one note before the bend. This is audible since you nail all the other notes up to this point. - 00:20 vibrato is Kirk Hamm:ish - 00:27 target note not played convincingly |
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Dec 22 2014, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Dec 21 2014, 09:01 PM) Beautiful, your dynamic sound is gorgeous and it really serves your phrases well. Your take also shows a super musical approach with effective use of pauses, and call & response technique. You are doing an excellent job keeping 'within your range' (= you do not attempt to play stuff you don't master yet), this is very smart and as mentioned below I think this take is close to 'pro' sounding. We also get a bit of a surprise element / edge stuff with the high/tapped note at 00:25. Since this take is approaching pro sounding (whatever that means) I am going to point out some small details which could be dealt with to polish your take. Please take this with a pinch of salt though, since a perfect take can't be perfect - if it is to be truly perfect. Also your type of sound, although awesome, is not very forgiving (heh guess why I like to drown my tone in way too much distortion?! )- 00:09 timing of bend and release feels just sliiightly off to me. - 00:14 hands not synced for one note before the bend. This is audible since you nail all the other notes up to this point. - 00:20 vibrato is Kirk Hamm:ish - 00:27 target note not played convincingly Hey Kris, thanks a lot for your kind words First of all I'm happy you like my approach. Now, before anything, please any tiny detail you hear tell me and I will fix it. I want a pro sounding (like you said “whatever that means”  ) and I guess you already understand that I'm not kidding when it's about my playing. So, any advice is welcome Yes, you have right and my type of sound is not very forgiving, but that's why I chose it, to make the mistakes visible Now about the new take. I tried to fix all the things that you told me and also I will explain you exactly what I done. I guess is the good way to be sure that I understand exactly your request. I let the guitar a little bit up in the mix because I wanted you to hear the new changes 00:09 – Done and also I thought to make the next two down bends more contoured for more precision in sound 00:14 - I didn't understand very well what you want to make here but I put an accent on that note because in the first take I had a decrescendo there. Also I made that note and previous note with the same value. 00:20 - no Kirk vibrato anymore  00:27 - The idea in the first take was to make a bend and after I release the bend, to go directly in the left side with a slide, after that to touch very softly with the pick that note and go in right side with another slide without to use the pick for the final note. My purpose was a decrescendo in that part. Now, in the new take I pushed with more force the last slide and I pointed a little the vibrato for that particular note. BTW if you hear added other new details (some slides at the final of phrases like 00:12 or some longer vibrato) it's because when become easy to play this, my hands play more details unconscious  So, what you think about the new take?
Kris_Collab___new_demo.wav ( 8.61MB )
Number of downloads: 296This post has been edited by Monica Gheorghevici: Dec 22 2014, 08:24 AM |
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Dec 22 2014, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (Gitarrero @ Dec 21 2014, 02:58 PM) One of my resolutions for next year is to start recording stuff again. So why not start early? https://soundcloud.com/gitarrero/kris-must-charm-gmc-collab Cheers Krise! Welcome back man - i think you have a nice lyrical soft spot and the lines fit nicely over the track. Maybe a bit more dynamics - note length changes and maybe, just maybe, a little faster passage could make this shine even brighter QUOTE (Rhida @ Dec 21 2014, 07:02 PM) Right on! A lot of GMCers already there! Very cool! My takes now Hey mate As in Guitarrero's case, a little bit more dynamics would make give the recording justice What do I really mean with that? Different note lengths and more variation from the rhythmic perspective, could be an idea.If you haven't yet experimented with this approach, try singing a line in your head and then transpose it on the guitar until it sounds as close as possible to what you are hearing in your head. It will bring up unexpected surprises which you will enjoy for certain. Also, please take care with the bend around 0:16 as it is a bit under pitch QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Dec 22 2014, 07:22 AM) Hey Kris, thanks a lot for your kind words First of all I'm happy you like my approach. Now, before anything, please any tiny detail you hear tell me and I will fix it. I want a pro sounding (like you said “whatever that means” ) and I guess you already understand that I'm not kidding when it's about my playing. So, any advice is welcome Yes, you have right and my type of sound is not very forgiving, but that's why I chose it, to make the mistakes visible Now about the new take. I tried to fix all the things that you told me and also I will explain you exactly what I done. I guess is the good way to be sure that I understand exactly your request. I let the guitar a little bit up in the mix because I wanted you to hear the new changes 00:09 – Done and also I thought to make the next two down bends more contoured for more precision in sound 00:14 - I didn't understand very well what you want to make here but I put an accent on that note because in the first take I had a decrescendo there. Also I made that note and previous note with the same value. 00:20 - no Kirk vibrato anymore 00:27 - The idea in the first take was to make a bend and after I release the bend, to go directly in the left side with a slide, after that to touch very softly with the pick that note and go in right side with another slide without to use the pick for the final note. My purpose was a decrescendo in that part. Now, in the new take I pushed with more force the last slide and I pointed a little the vibrato for that particular note. BTW if you hear added other new details (some slides at the final of phrases like 00:12 or some longer vibrato) it's because when become easy to play this, my hands play more details unconscious So, what you think about the new take?
Kris_Collab___new_demo.wav ( 8.61MB )
Number of downloads: 296hey Monica! Always nice to hear you on the collabs! Now, listening to your take, I would like to emphasize on two important aspects: - articulation - the bending could use a little bit more intention behind it - it sounds like you aren't really sure if you want to make the bends there and the vibrato could be wider and rounder. Don't rush it and let the notes breathe - you have plenty of space to do it Right?- direction - your phrases could use a bit more direction - maybe it's just me, but at some points, it feels like you don't know where to go next and you just sit in one place tryng to decide - see 0:10 for instance. Also, some of the notes that you land on, aren't as strong as they should be in relationship with the chord they are played up against. These are fine tuning details and I am sure that you can make things work with a bit more focus on these aspects QUOTE (Procyon @ Dec 21 2014, 05:06 PM) Oh my - this background track is soooo very beautiful!! I could listen to it endlessly... In my opinion its quite hard to play a solo that doesn't destroy the magical smoothness of this track. So I tried to play something very minimalistic to make the background track shine thru. Hey mate - nice dynamics and tone! The phrasing and touch are very fitting to the track, so I can only congratulate you and wish you a warm welcome in the collab QUOTE (Beat Zbinden @ Dec 21 2014, 03:59 PM) I'm in Here is my first idea for this collab Not the finish version Hey Beat! Nice one man! I like the phrasing and the tone and your melodic touch that is so present in all the recordings you have come up with so far. I would just focus a bit on the articulation side of things - see, for instance, just before the half of the take there are some bends which are slightly under pitched. Play them with more conviction and attention to pitch and you will have a great take! |
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Dec 22 2014, 04:41 PM
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Thank you very much for your feedback, Darius, Kris and Cosmin - I appreciate it very much!
@ Kris: I completely agree - this type of echo is not very appropriate for this kind of soft track. Unfortunately I noticed it only after having recorded my take. So I tried to improve and recorded a second version. What do you think? And yes - it would be more than awesome if Knopfler could sing or Slash would shred... 
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Dec 22 2014, 06:03 PM
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I love how everyone is so involved with this one.
So inspiring! Thanks GMCers! Keep'em coming! Here's my new take, more right to the point and with more expression I hope.
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Dec 22 2014, 10:07 PM
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Ok folks, here's my little attempt. I'm not expecting to get in the finished article but it's all about joining in and getting feedback eh?
I've kept it simple rather than go beyond my skill level. [attachment=40276:Crimbo_c...g_take_1.wav] Cheers Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 22 2014, 10:53 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 22 2014, 10:13 PM
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Uff high level here!
This is my take... or first shot I change the final part of the gp5 file because it was imposible to play right with my actually skills... but the new final sounds cool too... but it's not very well played yet ummm... hope you liked! https://soundcloud.com/david-vico-2/the-kris-must-charm-collab-huargo-mix
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