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OneWingdAngel View Member Profile	Oct 11 2007, 09:47 PM
Oct 11 2007, 09:47 PM	GMC:er Posts: 11 Joined: 11-October 07	just so its in a more suitable place i will repeat my question here sry for the spaming andrew. this seems to have a little to do with the minor pentatonic scale so here goes ok i have played tabs for 2 years and was starved for the theory you are dishing out i am enjoying it all and i thank you. but for the past 2 nights at work i have racked my brain on this. does the key of a piece equal the root of the main scale used in the piece ? my brain now hurts i was ready to start my minor pentatonic scale practice when i noticed that if i use say a scale of B major (B,C#,D#,E,F#,G#,A#, 2212221 the root is B. the key would have 5 sharps in it using the circle of fifths i can see A# is 7th or the last sharp 1 dagree up is B. KEY OF B EQUALS the B scale meaning that the scale of B major is the heart of our piece here is the confusion say i now use the same B scale only in minor pentatonic. (B,D,E,F#,A, 32232 now this key according to what i have learned should only have 1 sharp F# 1 dagree up is G !!!!! WHAT key of G? shouldn't it still be KEY OF B I used a B scale? how do i know that im supposed to use a B minor pentatonic scale for the most part if the key is G? back to my question shouldnt the key equal my root note B? please put my mind at ease thanks WING. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by OneWingdAngel: Oct 11 2007, 09:51 PM

PlayAllDay View Member Profile	Oct 12 2007, 09:46 AM
Oct 12 2007, 09:46 AM	GMC:er Posts: 323 Joined: 30-September 07	OK Wing - I'll have a go and see if I can help. A major scale is quite a lot different from a minor pentatonic. The last note in a generic major scale is one HALF step away from the tonic (or Root note) therefore the A# does lead you to B. The last note in a generic pentatonic minor scale is one WHOLE step away from the tonic (or Root note) therefore the last note in Bm pent is A which leads you on to B. It's only in Major scales that the last # note in the order of #'s is always the last note of the scale. The same is not true for minor pentatonics so I think that's where you method of determining root note is letting you down. Now a Key is an interesting construct of chords and the scales that define or imply those chord progressions are used within the Key. Hmmm. I've read so many definitions of KEY in my life and none really help till you have a grasp of chord and scale theory but I'll try... A Key is a tonal centre that identifies the Tonic Triad (or Root Triad) - just 3 little notes! - if you like, it's a symbolic Sun around which all sorts of chords revolve (like planets) and all have harmonic functions within the Key. So you can use many scales within the one Key. Isn't theory fun! I hope I've helped a little but I've probably caused more questions - which is really a good thing so feel free to keep going with this discussion - lots of people have the same questions when it comes to these things. Oh I've just realised I'm in Andrew's Theory Lessons thread - sorry if I've trod on your toes Andrew Whoops! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Lead me not into temptation - I can find the way myself...

OneWingdAngel View Member Profile	Oct 12 2007, 09:02 PM
Oct 12 2007, 09:02 PM	GMC:er Posts: 11 Joined: 11-October 07	thanks that almost helps maybe i jumped the gun. the problem is that i believe from what i have learned that yes u can use different scales in a piece but the key tells us were we return to. for example a key of B tells me that the piece uses a B major scale as its main scale (and u can use a few licks from other scales as fill). so if the key is B i am thinkin u can use as a main body the B major scale,the B minor scale, the B minor pentatonic scale and so on. this question is directed to the root equals the key as u see there B B B B key of B all works. i am thinking this cuz using the circle of fifths rule Andrew taught me and all the major scales i have tried it does work root equals key (circle of fiths using the last sharp in key go up 1 dagree and u have the key which is ALSO the ROOT of the scale used as main body) so scale of C major the last sharp would be D# 1 dagree up is C all works out) . the main scale used is the C major scale and that Equals the key C. i tried to use the same rule circle of fifths to find the key when using a minor pentatonic scale. so here i went and laid down a B minor pentatonic scale assuming that the rule would yeild a Key of B to my horror i found 1 sharp in that scale F# the rule 1 dagree up key of G. there is my confusion key of G for a B minor pentatonic scale that doesnt equal my root at all. so if i were to use the key to tell me what scale is the main body i would now think . G major scale, G minor Scale, G minor pentatonic scale and so on and i have no clue why its not key of B the rule doesnt work. i started thinking maybe the key is like a door and only certain scales unlock that door. yes u can use many scales for a lil bit but you must return to the main body or main scale. i figured that the key would tell me if key of B then the main body is all B scaling. so am i wrong some were? does the key give me all notes possible and really u could list apropreite scales under like key of G:main body, G major,B minor pentatonic and what ever other scale use those notes . OR am i so far off u all are waiting for me to go to sleep so u can put a pillow over my face cuz i would be better off? hahaha i hope this clears up my question You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Oct 12 2007, 09:58 PM
Oct 12 2007, 09:58 PM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	I tried to answer this on my board ... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

Mrblomme View Member Profile	Oct 22 2007, 02:41 AM
Oct 22 2007, 02:41 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium	Hi Andrew, very nice lesson but I have a question. Maybe you've answered this question allready but I didn't find the answer. So you have the patterns, the first starts with the root note so I know where to play them if I play them in A G F ... etc etc But if we go to the other 4 patterns I see that we dont start with the root note. Now Is my question, how do I know in which key the patterns are? If I want to play the same patterns from page 1 in another key lets say A in stead of G. Where do I need to play them then? Grtz You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Oct 22 2007, 02:44 AM
Oct 22 2007, 02:44 AM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	Each pattern has the root notes marked - all you have to do is move each pattern until the root note corresponds to the key you want. The root notes will be in different places in different paterns. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

Mrblomme View Member Profile	Oct 22 2007, 02:47 AM
Oct 22 2007, 02:47 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium	QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 22 2007, 03:44 AM) Each pattern has the root notes marked - all you have to do is move each pattern until the root note corresponds to the key you want. The root notes will be in different places in different paterns. Oh so if the root note is the second note you play on the A string then you only need to move your hand till the second note on A string is lets say a B to play the B pattern ? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Oct 22 2007, 04:29 AM
Oct 22 2007, 04:29 AM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	Exactly! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

Mrblomme View Member Profile	Oct 22 2007, 06:26 AM
Oct 22 2007, 06:26 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium	Ok tyvm matey. Keep up your good work. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?

Lester View Member Profile	Oct 26 2007, 06:47 PM
Oct 26 2007, 06:47 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 612 Joined: 14-September 07 From: Zwolle, The Netherlands	finally i understand what i am actually doing Great Work Andrew!!! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Oct 26 2007, 08:01 PM
Oct 26 2007, 08:01 PM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	QUOTE (Lester @ Oct 26 2007, 01:47 PM) finally i understand what i am actually doing Great Work Andrew!!! Excellent You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

Pierre2 View Member Profile	Dec 8 2007, 03:51 PM
Dec 8 2007, 03:51 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2 Joined: 8-December 07	Why do Major and Minor scales have modes and pentatonics do not? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

shammy View Member Profile	Dec 16 2007, 06:40 AM
Dec 16 2007, 06:40 AM	GMC:er Posts: 115 Joined: 23-October 07 From: Ma	Finally went ahead and learned all the blue notes, something I should of done 10 years ago. I really sware by the theory Andrew, wish I was this strict with myself when i was a tad younger. Lovin the theory lessons!!! I was one of those guys that learned a ton of things half way through and now I am paying for it, it's like having to learn to replay, cause my fingers are so used to my old tired licks and not all of these great notes. For new players I would take Andrew's advice when it comes to learning theory and scales etc... it will pay off. My playing has come so far in the month or 2 I have been here. Peace You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

kjutte View Member Profile	Dec 16 2007, 07:12 PM
Dec 16 2007, 07:12 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway	QUOTE (OneWingdAngel @ Oct 11 2007, 09:47 PM) just so its in a more suitable place i will repeat my question here sry for the spaming andrew. this seems to have a little to do with the minor pentatonic scale so here goes ok i have played tabs for 2 years and was starved for the theory you are dishing out i am enjoying it all and i thank you. but for the past 2 nights at work i have racked my brain on this. does the key of a piece equal the root of the main scale used in the piece ? my brain now hurts i was ready to start my minor pentatonic scale practice when i noticed that if i use say a scale of B major (B,C#,D#,E,F#,G#,A#, 2212221 the root is B. the key would have 5 sharps in it using the circle of fifths i can see A# is 7th or the last sharp 1 dagree up is B. KEY OF B EQUALS the B scale meaning that the scale of B major is the heart of our piece here is the confusion say i now use the same B scale only in minor pentatonic. (B,D,E,F#,A, 32232 now this key according to what i have learned should only have 1 sharp F# 1 dagree up is G !!!!! WHAT key of G? shouldn't it still be KEY OF B I used a B scale? how do i know that im supposed to use a B minor pentatonic scale for the most part if the key is G? back to my question shouldnt the key equal my root note B? please put my mind at ease thanks WING. That formulae starts off with the Ionian mode, ergo Major. What you're talking about is minor pentatonic, which is taken from the Aeolian (minor) pattern. you will see its similiarities if you look up a pattern on allguitarchords.com also, Minor B pentatonics pattern is only the start of the 5 different patterns covering the octave. it only defines where, and how to start. hope I understood the question, and hope that I made sense QUOTE (Pierre @ Dec 8 2007, 03:51 PM) Why do Major and Minor scales have modes and pentatonics do not? If you compare the 5 pentatonic "modes", you'll see that they are taken from the major scale. difference is that a major/minor has 7 notes per octave and the penta (penta means 5) has 5 notes per octave in each scale. SO, to make it short, the pentatonic scales are really the major scale, just with 2 less characterizing notes per octave. hope that helped You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Khaos Keith View Member Profile	Dec 17 2007, 06:13 PM
Dec 17 2007, 06:13 PM	GMC:er Posts: 79 Joined: 16-December 07 From: San Diego, California / USA	i FINALLY understand how scale formulas work from this thread!!! oh man its so simple now haha. once you know the formula of any type of scale, you then know how to find the scale you want to use to any key note. just gotta brush up on my math skills now hahah You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Random Person : "got a myspace page?" Me : "hahaha who doesn't? the url is http://www.myspace.com/maidenmayhem hahah"

kaznie_NL View Member Profile	Jan 13 2008, 11:19 AM
Jan 13 2008, 11:19 AM	Experienced Tone Seeker Posts: 4.809 Joined: 8-December 07 From: Hedel, Netherlands	I have a little silly quistion: Is E minor pentatonic the same as E petatonic minor? Because some say the first and some say the second... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My YouTube Channel Here My Rec Takes Here --- GEAR --- Ibanez SA08LTD2 BAR Vox AD50VT Pod Farm Line 6 Pod Studio GX El Cheapo Strat Dunlop Slide Korg Toneworks AX5G

DeepRoots View Member Profile	Jan 13 2008, 11:22 AM
Jan 13 2008, 11:22 AM	Get to da Chopper! Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK	QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jan 13 2008, 10:19 AM) I have a little silly quistion: Is E minor pentatonic the same as E petatonic minor? Because some say the first and some say the second... yeh they're the same You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Muris Varajic View Member Profile	Jan 13 2008, 05:09 PM
Jan 13 2008, 05:09 PM	Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia	QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jan 13 2008, 11:19 AM) I have a little silly quistion: Is E minor pentatonic the same as E petatonic minor? Because some say the first and some say the second... Yeah,more than the same You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Youtube MySpace Website Album "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board! The Pianist tune is progress,check it out! "ok.. it is great.. :P have you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

Shawn View Member Profile	Feb 7 2008, 05:24 PM
Feb 7 2008, 05:24 PM	GMC:er Posts: 3 Joined: 31-January 08 From: South Korea	Hello Andrew, First I wanted to say that I've started reading through all your theory lessons, and I find them fantasic. Thank you for all the work you've put in to these. On to my question, which basically falls into this lesson. When using scales and/or improvising over a chord progression, say for example the 12 bar blues progression you gave of: G - G - G - G - C - C - G - G - D - C - G - D Do you match the Minor Pentatonic Blues scale to the specific chord at any given point (ie G minor Pent Blues for the first 4 measues, then switch to C Minor for the 5th and 6th measure, etc) or do you stay with G Minor for the entire progression through the I, IV, V chord progressions? Looking at the strictly theory perspective, I know that the rules can be broken to create often interesting/unique sounding sequences, etc. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Casper View Member Profile	May 15 2008, 02:57 AM
May 15 2008, 02:57 AM	GMC:er Posts: 71 Joined: 14-May 08 From: Vancouver	Don't know how long ive been sitting here with my guitar in my hands playing the mPentatonics and mBlue Scales for.. but ive finally memorized them all I love how when you improvise they can fit like a jigsaw You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars:EsP-LtD F-2E, Jackson King V, Fender Strat MFX: Pandora PX5D, Zoom 505. Sennheiser HD25 mk II Headphones Blown Amp :( My Album ( Guitars and FX )

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