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post Oct 9 2008, 04:05 PM
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Whenever learning about anything theory related, I am constantly thinking how much easier this is when dealing with a piano keyboard.

VS a guitar neck.

Everything being linear, black sharps and flats, white natural keys, etc...

Does anyone here play both? And if so, is there any insight you can provide that would help a guitarist?


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post Oct 9 2008, 04:10 PM
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Well I'd say that in your guitar neck, if you learn your scales shape, then you just have to transpose them all over the neck, and you can play with whatever key you want to. also something that might be good too, is learning all intervalls shape on you neck .
As for Piano, it ain't that good ! I prefer guitar, it's cooler because you can do bends, slide, add vibrato, lot's of feeling, (even if I like Piano too). and as for scale on piano, it ain't that good too, because what you said (about the black for sharps and white for "natural keys") it can be applied only for the C major scale, but if you're playing another scale, it's completely different. for example playing the A major key would be a completely different positions, my advices for you would be to learn intervalls, or scales (on guitar or piano).



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post Oct 9 2008, 05:17 PM
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Nice topic jar. Like Zizi said, he likes guitar more; I am a guitar lover biggrin.gif I also try to play piano. Well I would say, I'm more of a keyboard player than a real piano player. It is easier to learn scales on piano but I've always had hard time with syncing left & right hand. I guess thats a matter of practice. Its also easier to read sheet for piano than guitar.

I play my own piano and other keyboard parts myself for recording. If I'm playing a complex part, sometimes I record left hand & right hand separately.


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post Oct 9 2008, 06:31 PM
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To add what Zizi said, i think it's true that it is maybe easier to transpose your shapes or switch key on the guitar by move everything up or down the neck.
On the other hand a piano is visualizing better whole/half tone steps within scales and even more chords, what makes a piano, beside that it's a nice instrument, a good theory learning tool.



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post Oct 9 2008, 06:38 PM
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Although its easier to learn scale and chord shapes on guitar, i think the piano is definitely easier for learning about chord, scale theory, and all other kinds of theory.
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post Oct 9 2008, 07:10 PM
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I don't play piano but I have friends that play both guitar and piano. They claim it's much easier to compose and "see" shapes and scales while playing piano. I am not sure about that, I have no problems doing it on my guitar.


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post Oct 9 2008, 07:32 PM
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I started with piano, I haven't played in a long time, but I would agree that it is easier to visualize things on piano, when it comes to learning theory, harmony and stuff like that. However my fingers move faster on the guitar, but maybe it is because I don't practice piano at all anymore, maybe I should.


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post Oct 9 2008, 07:36 PM
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i play both. I agree with you 100%. Theory is way easier on the piano because its more organized. But as you know, there are black keys and white keys. Now take this insight and apply it to the inlays of your guitar. Memererizew the notes on the inlays and it will be much easier to know wear the note are. It will still not be easier than a piano because of the many octave jumping and stuff but just work it out and it will become natural to u!


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post Oct 9 2008, 08:10 PM
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I don't play piano but I know the theory behind it and use it to compose. I use a yamaha keyboard as a midi controller and when I compose piano arrangements I record it in small parts in the sequencer.
I think that playing the piano is a great tool for composers but you need many time of practice to be good. Some of my favourite composers like Danny Elfman and Yan Tiersen are pianists.

Ramiro Delforte is very good at both instruments so we have to ask him.

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post Oct 9 2008, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Oct 9 2008, 03:10 PM) *
I don't play piano but I know the theory behind it and use it to compose. I use a yamaha keyboard as a midi controller and when I compose piano arrangements I record it in small parts in the sequencer.
I think that playing the piano is a great tool for composers but you need many time of practice to be good. Some of my favourite composers like Danny Elfman and Yan Tiersen are pianists.

Ramiro Delforte is very good at both instruments so we have to ask him.

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QUOTE (sigma7 @ Oct 9 2008, 03:11 PM) *
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yeah! Both are awesome.


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post Oct 9 2008, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE (Rousseau Mannan @ Oct 9 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Its also easier to read sheet for piano than guitar.


Spot on. smile.gif
Take note A in 1st octave per example,
there's only one place on the keyboard when it can be found/played.
On the guitar,you can have it on three different places at least,
of course there are markers here and there to point the position on the fretboard
but there are much more options for each note indeed,
which means more complex to read,absolutely.


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post Oct 9 2008, 09:35 PM
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Both instruments are great. I don't play piano well, only know couple of chords and some simple stuff, but as Muris said the biggest difference is that with piano you have all the notes right there on the board for two hand playing and no doubles. With guitar you have multiple strings and doubling notes, so this adds to the complexity.


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I do play both instruments, and I agree on theory being easier on the piano at all points, except intervals. When I try to explain intervals to people and I have a piano in front of them, I always think it would be better to expain with a guitar. Though, the piano is a much easier instrument to handle theory-wise.


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post Oct 9 2008, 11:15 PM
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The piano is a more graphical instrument. You can associate very fast every key to a note and there is a visual pattern that the guitar doesn't have. All stringed instruments have to learn the scales by making positions (violin, viola, cello, cb, all have 7 positions to learn and they even don't have frets so the have to learn the intonation of the notes as well). But there is always a good thing when there is a bad one. When you've learned the seven positions (I'm thinking of 3 notes per string starting from the 6th) of the C major scale you know all the major scales because the only thing you have to do is transpose that shape. The piano is simplier because you can see what's happening with intervals and the relations between the notes but you have to learn many different fingerings for each scale and you have to duplicate the number of fingerings by 2 because you have to study the scales with both hands and there is a big issue with synchronicity, because each hand passes the finger (to keep the scale running) in a different part of the scale.

In the conservatories all the people that study any instrument (except piano) have to study piano. That's because the piano is like and orchestra. Is the instrument with the biggest range of notes and some things is true that are easier to comprehend by looking to the keyboard. So piano is always a good complement to study harmony and some topics related to theory.

Regarding sight-reading is true that the guitar have different possibilities to play the same note but is also true that the polyphony is bigger in piano. While the guitar could play 6 notes at the same time at most, the piano could play 10. Also the piano uses both hands and the rhythm synchronization is more difficult than the guitar.

Concluding this I think that both instruments are great, I've been playing the piano since I was 5 and the guitar since I was 11. Every instrument have it's complications, the important thing is that each person can find his/her way to understand theory. So if there are some things that are easier to learn them by looking to the piano and then translate them to the guitar is a good way to clarify your mind with other perspective.

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post Oct 10 2008, 12:21 AM
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Very clarifying, specially the post by Ramiro wink.gif


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Thanks guys for clarification , I didn't know much about piano ! smile.gif One thing I know is that if you master one instrument (guitar) its much much more easier to learn new one (like piano). smile.gif


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post Oct 11 2008, 04:50 PM
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Thanks for clarifying that Ramiro, very useful post.


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post Oct 11 2008, 05:49 PM
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Thanx! If anybody have questions about the piano and wants to post them I could try to bring a hand on that smile.gif
Also I recommend a few treatises of orchestration

Walter Piston - Orchestration

Hector Berlioz- Treatise on orchestration

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Those books are really helpful to understand the mecanics, range and various things about orchestral instruments.


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