Splitting Guitars / Stereo/ Recording Techniques, It can really help. Options

[Todd Simpson]

Here is a quick example.

One Guitar in the middle.
http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/mono-guitar-track-vox-tonelab

Part played twice panned left/righ at 9:00/3:00

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/guitar-recording-example-vox

Both of these are using, believe it or not, a VOX TONE LAB EX! Who would have thought?


This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: May 24 2012, 07:21 AM

[Dieterle]

Wow this little Vox is a good help !

Your recordings a great for practice too, thank you !

Dieter

[JaxN4]

Sounds great. What ratio are the L + R channels at?

[Cosmin Lupu]

I always pan the guitars I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas

Cosmin

[tonymiro]

I always pan the guitars I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas

Cosmin

Sounds like a variation on the Haas effect to me Cosmin.

[Cosmin Lupu]

Thank you Tony! I shall look into that

[Todd Simpson]

Wow this little Vox is a good help !

Your recordings a great for practice too, thank you !

Dieter

thanks :0) It took some MAJOR tweaking and actually reading the manual but is has a great "TUBEY" sound which works really well on rythm tracks.

Sounds great. What ratio are the L + R channels at?

each one is panned 45degrees from center, left and right. So about half way from center. It really adds serious depth and is a very simple thing to do It's really worth tracking twice just to pan.

I always pan the guitars I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas

Cosmin

Actually yes! Some folks (a ton of Metal guys) use this to create a HUGE array of guitar. You get the "wall of sound" but with a stereo field. Can really sound huge. But you need to be careful on gain as that many guitar track ( 4 or 5) playing the same thing need good separation.

[Todd Simpson]

P.S. This demo was recorded using the VOX TONELAB as an audio card/interface via USB connection. So it's recorded direct. The cab is a sim. I gotta say it sounded pretty darn spiff considering I didn't use an Amp. It's a great way to get good recording done with zero ambient volume. I was working on this using a guitar and the vox and some headphones about 2am.

Part played twice panned left/righ at 9:00/3:00

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/guitar-recording-example-vox


Todd

This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: May 25 2012, 06:26 AM

[Cosmin Lupu]

Precisely! Now I also remember him telling me not to use that much gain when doing this

[Dinaga]

each one is panned 45degrees from center, left and right. So about half way from center. It really adds serious depth and is a very simple thing to do It's really worth tracking twice just to pan.

Todd, you have no idea how much this helped me! I just applied this method on a heavy riff in my new song and it sounds AMAZING!!!

Thanks a LOT, mate

This post has been edited by Dinaga: May 27 2012, 11:29 AM

[Cosmin Lupu]

Awesomeness It's always worth tracking double guitars

[Todd Simpson]

Happy to help It's a great way to give some BIGNESS to your guitar tracks!

Todd

Todd, you have no idea how much this helped me! I just applied this method on a heavy riff in my new song and it sounds AMAZING!!!

Thanks a LOT, mate

Well said : )

Awesomeness It's always worth tracking double guitars

Learned this the hard way myself as I tend go nuts on gain. But for rythm tracks, less is more. Less gain = More Tone and More KRUNCH! It's the layering of the tracks that gives the big, thick, sound more often than not. Carcass has a nearly insane layering method of stacking multiple takes at the same position in the stereo field done at different eq settings. I've always been fascinated by the guitar sounds the legendary Carcass album: HEARTWORK. One of the most crazy Heavy guitar recordings I've ever heard to this day.

Todd

Precisely! Now I also remember him telling me not to use that much gain when doing this

[TuckerG]

Awesomeness It's always worth tracking double guitars

Gosh Cosmin, I don't want to blast in to a great thread with a goofy question, but I have to know because I would like to try this method also. As far as the multiple guitar tracks, do I actually play the same riff multiple times and pan them out together, or rather would I insert multiple tracks into Reaper, then pan out each separate track of the same riff I played once to it's respective degree?

-Tucker

[Cosmin Lupu]

Hey Tuck dude, I for one track each guitar and then pan each on a different channel. Left and Right of course I think it's a good place to start let me know how it goes - in your thread ? Do we don't highjack this one, unless we want to be Captain Jack Sparrow's minions