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Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 05:36 PM

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Posted by: mattacuk Apr 22 2008, 06:02 PM

Ultra Difficult you say?


Give this a whorle ! wink.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/extreme-neo-classic/

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 06:11 PM

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Posted by: Pi38 Apr 22 2008, 06:14 PM

Hand-over legato sounds pretty tough. Maybe give that a whirl, if you don't already know it.

Posted by: Fran Apr 22 2008, 06:16 PM

How about trying to nail some 9/10 difficulty lessons?

There are some by Muris that are a good challenge!

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 06:23 PM

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Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Apr 22 2008, 06:33 PM

Do you know how to play "skank" funk ?

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 06:41 PM

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Posted by: Old School Rocker Apr 22 2008, 06:43 PM

Oh have you tried any of Micheal Angelo Batio's Speed kills stuff?
If you can do that well then i guess you should try his double guitar.
Or you can just get a double necked guitar and learn how to rock out on one of those.

Posted by: Pi38 Apr 22 2008, 06:44 PM

Oh, by the way, congratulations on being a guitar master! If the extreme neo-classical lesson is too easy for you, then you must be awesome! I suggest starting to show off your skills by learning full-length songs rather then trying to search for more techniques. I think try full songs, like Paradise City by Guns N' Roses, or Jordan by Buckethead that is, if you don't already know all the songs! laugh.gif

Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Apr 22 2008, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Mark. @ Apr 22 2008, 07:41 PM) *
Umh no blink.gif mellow.gif
What is it ohmy.gif ?


Well you can hear a good example of it in the guitar riff at the beginning of can't stop by red hot chili peppers...Its blocking the strings and playing individual notes while strumming with your right hand..Of course you don't need to play only single notes , rather small chords etc... smile.gif

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 22 2008, 06:50 PM

I wouldn't limit myself to certain techniques only when practicing. You must be able to use these techniques in a good manner in order to make music. Technique itself doesn't mean anything unless it is used for a musical creation. You must sit down and think what are your goals as a musician, and try to improve on those field that you are not good at. Think hard where you want to be and work hard. For example learn theory well so you can apply all the techniques you've learned so far in improvisation. Also learn thoroughly all the scales and modes and do some ear training. If you have already figured out all the techniques you think you are in need of then this is the next logical step I guess.

Posted by: Jeff Apr 22 2008, 06:55 PM

Try some Andy McKee stuff on acoustic guitar. Look on youtube for his song "drifting". Very cool and extremely difficult - IMO. wink.gif

Posted by: Bali Apr 22 2008, 06:56 PM

Maybe it's time for you to start making music

Posted by: Zizi Top Apr 22 2008, 06:57 PM

make a lesson, and post it on the student instructor board, it can be really fun wink.gif
by the way, you're fifteen years old, and you're saying that the extreme neo-classical lesson is too easy for you !! that's wonderful smile.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 07:05 PM

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Posted by: mattacuk Apr 22 2008, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Mark. @ Apr 22 2008, 06:11 PM) *
Too easy laugh.gif laugh.gif'

I'm looking for something more difficult, it doesn't need to be a gmc lesson. Just some ultra diffucult technique I never practiced before ohmy.gif

Mark.


Thats too easy for you? wow you must be super skilled biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 07:27 PM

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Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 07:39 PM

Mark. When you can do techniques so well I advise learning your theory to a great extent to be able to use your new found skills in any situation and also try a genre you aren't familiar with.

How about learning some Hybrid Picking? As in Country Music. Or learning some weird jazz music with strange intervals and neighbouring notes and modulations.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/fast-country-solo/

For example

Posted by: Hisham Al-Sanea Apr 22 2008, 07:40 PM

try to practice on running scales

try to practice on running scales

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 07:42 PM

Please could you also tell me the lessons you practiced most over the year so I can add them to my practice time smile.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 08:14 PM

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Posted by: Enucleation Apr 22 2008, 08:33 PM

I've been thinking I might try and learn the solo to Necrophagist's Fermented Offal Discharge, you could maybe give that a whirl...

Good combination of techniques maybe. I haven't looked too hard at it, or can't remember but I can tell you....HARD!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 22 2008, 08:40 PM

Cheers for that and what did you reckon to my ideas on the 1st page? I think they might help you a bit smile.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 22 2008, 08:47 PM

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Posted by: Iluha Apr 23 2008, 12:48 PM

Ok, got a "surprising" suggestion for you smile.gif

All those techniques you mentioned are all very.. well best way to put it is technical! so why don't you try working on feel now? stuff like vibrato, accurate bending, picking dynamics(picking in certain parts of the string, with adjusting power), also maybe try learning some complex classical pieces or some acoustic compositions in the style of Don Ross and Tommy Emmanuel.

Those are only a few suggestions... there's allways more to learn on the guitar and in music in general, if you wanna go even further than what I just mentioned, you should try listening to other instruments, and even vocals, and try implimenting it in you'r playing.

Posted by: chast Apr 23 2008, 12:51 PM

The whole time you are talking about looking at tabs, why don't you try to play some not so difficult stuff by ear ?
It's really helpful, because you train your ear and you also train the thing that Iluha mentioned above if you really want to nail the tone of the song.

Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Apr 23 2008, 01:13 PM

Can you Mark please post some of your playing so I can suggest even better what you need to practice more?

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 02:27 PM

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Posted by: Iluha Apr 23 2008, 02:56 PM

Hmm ok.. so yeah go for hybrid picking, and maybe even slap&pop, those are the only two other shred techniques I can think of right now tongue.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 23 2008, 03:00 PM

Also sweep picking with string skips is insanity if you can do it. Sweep Picking natural harmonics is a good one also. Sweep with taps.

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 03:16 PM

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Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Apr 23 2008, 03:35 PM

God knows lol but I've seen some people sweep a natural harmonic pattern before. Maybe others can shed some light.

Posted by: Jeff Apr 23 2008, 03:45 PM

Mark,

Have you tried learning Jazz or Fusion? Try some Al DiMeola, Alan Holdsworth or Frank Gambale. In fact, Frank Gambale has an incredible sweep picking technique that you can learn from his instructional DVDs. It's almost too perfect. That should keep you busy for a while. I sure wish I could play like that. huh.gif

Posted by: Matt23 Apr 23 2008, 04:05 PM

I'd do some composing and recording or learn a new style. Well done on playing muris' extreme neo-classic. smile.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 04:28 PM

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Posted by: Tomotoms Apr 23 2008, 06:28 PM

Figure 5 (about 4:25 in) might be an interesting technique to develop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh-lJqNfT1E

Have you done much classical or flamenco playing?


Posted by: Nick Kellie Apr 23 2008, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Apr 23 2008, 12:13 PM) *
Can you Mark please post some of your playing so I can suggest even better what you need to practice more?


I would be interested to hear some of your playing too.

Posted by: SinoMan Apr 23 2008, 07:31 PM

Yeah, you definitely need to record yourself.

I suck 10x more on a recording mad.gif

By the way, can you play odd rhythms like 7/4 and odd notes like 5 per beat?

Can you play with your eyes closed?

Can you play standing up?

Do you know the entire fretboard by heart?

Oh yeah, and can you play Through the Fire and Flames in full speed? laugh.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 08:31 PM

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Posted by: Smikey2006 Apr 23 2008, 08:31 PM

erm try fake picking by muris.. its crazy....also john petrucci does a technique where rather then sweeping arpeggios he alternate picks them at mach 17364237... its a real cool technique.. ill post the video when i find it..

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 08:35 PM

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Posted by: ZakkWylde Apr 23 2008, 08:39 PM

Ultra difficult? Stand up and play all again while having your guitar strapped at poser-stage hight, then we talk again^^

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 08:41 PM

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Posted by: stratman33 Apr 23 2008, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (chast @ Apr 23 2008, 07:51 AM) *
The whole time you are talking about looking at tabs, why don't you try to play some not so difficult stuff by ear ?
It's really helpful, because you train your ear and you also train the thing that Iluha mentioned above if you really want to nail the tone of the song.

ya, i completely agree with that, i do that sometimes.

Posted by: Siggum Apr 23 2008, 08:48 PM

Play muris Extreme Neoclassical backwards in 3/4 at 500 BPM ...GO!

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 08:53 PM

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Posted by: Batista Apr 23 2008, 09:06 PM

Speaking of the Extreme Neo-classical lesson. I was at a audition today, and the dude before me in the line played that lesson, he is 15 and had played for three years. Man that rocked my socks off! It was awesome to hear it live! It's so extremely impressive because of the speed. He didn't play it as clean as Muris, but he still did pretty good!

Posted by: Mark. Apr 23 2008, 09:11 PM

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Posted by: seagull Apr 23 2008, 09:29 PM

QUOTE (Mark. @ Apr 23 2008, 10:11 PM) *
Cool I'm also 15 biggrin.gif,
I wish I would know him, I don't know any other really motivated guitarist irl sad.gif



I'm not accusing you of lying, but eh.... I seriously doubt that you can play Muris' neoclassical lesson up tempo tight. You need to prove such allegations.. tongue.gif

Posted by: SinoMan Apr 23 2008, 09:31 PM

Dude, I know a technique that will keep you busy for months and months to come, and will get you world famous if you master it.

QUOTE
Is it true that you broke your high E string when recording the solo in "Master of Puppets" when you hit that crazy high note toward the end?
-John Mulder

I didn't break the E string; I accidentally pulled the string down and off the fretboard. I actually fretted the string on my bridge pickup, creating a 27th or 32nd fret or whatever it is. It was just one of those happy accidents that was too cool to get rid of, and I've not been able to recreate it since.


'nuff said.

Posted by: Eat-Sleep-andJam Apr 23 2008, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (seagull @ Apr 23 2008, 12:29 PM) *
I'm not accusing you of lying, but eh.... I seriously doubt that you can play Muris' neoclassical lesson up tempo tight. You need to prove such allegations.. tongue.gif


+1


Alot of talk, lets see some of your playing and then we will be able to "judge" what is best for you to learn smile.gif

Posted by: Sentenced Apr 23 2008, 09:58 PM

When i hear this stuff i feel like a piece of shit. I am playing guitar for 1 year and 5 Months now. I am doing much technique lessons, but i just dont get things to speed, not even close. And you mastered all these things in 1 year? How long did you played before? if all things you said are true you are one of the most talented guitar players.

Maybe you can play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APBx5-duyVk The Crusade by trivium. That should be quite easy for you.

Posted by: Mark. Apr 24 2008, 09:36 AM

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Posted by: shellshock1911 Apr 24 2008, 11:54 AM

Alternate picking arpeggios at a swept speed, like the Glass Prison intro solo.

Posted by: Mark. Apr 24 2008, 12:16 PM

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Posted by: Nathan333 Apr 24 2008, 12:20 PM

Well, If you're as good as that then you should just try putting all your techniques into use all the time. Once you do that you'll be able to pull off some super crazy solos! I'd love to hear a recording of you playing the neoclassical stuff tho biggrin.gif I'm also 15, but I'm still working out the 4/5 difficulty lessons, I picked up a guitar just under a year ago. I'd love to see someone my age playing that neoclassical lesson!

BTW are you completely up to date with the theory side of things as well? At the moment I really suck on that side of things dry.gif

Posted by: Mark. Apr 24 2008, 12:25 PM

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Posted by: Nathan333 Apr 24 2008, 12:31 PM

How I envy you!!! Cheers for the motivation tho smile.gif Bow long did it take you to learn to read notes and all that?

Posted by: Zizi Top Apr 24 2008, 12:40 PM

i have a question, why are you looking to learn ULTRA difficult stuff, i think that what is cool about guitar isn't to shred at 500 bpm, cause when it becomes too fast, if you play a whole song with shred, most people won't like it (specially if it's not clean), what i like is to put fast runs from time to time but not all the time, i can't lesson to a song made by only shred !! i would suggest you to start composing music, it much more difficult than playing fast runs and once you'll "master" this technique well .... well then you're a rockstar

Posted by: Mark. Apr 24 2008, 12:48 PM

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Posted by: shellshock1911 Apr 24 2008, 09:25 PM

Here is a video of the intro solo for The Glass Prison played by someone like I said. Usually in three string arpeggios, people play them as 16th notes and sweep them, causing the accents at the top or the bottom of the arpeggio, but in this solo, the accents occur commonly in the middle of the arpeggio, so if you sweep the arpeggios, they will sound like sloppy 16th note triplets, when the solo is actually 16th notes, so it must be alternate picked. There is one sweep part (the 5 string arpeggio after the first phrase), and this solo changes time signatures like 6 times at least from 4/4 to 2/4 and back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-1ebp9BIUw&feature=related

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