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Jun 6 2014, 11:33 PM |
Nop
you can play a cmajor scale over a F major and you have F lydian.... Cmajor scale starting in the 4 note it's a F lydian... hard to explain without a video..... |
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Jun 6 2014, 11:44 PM |
Good question and easily confusing ...
F lydian is the same as C major (Ionian). It has the same notes but starting on F - F G A B C D E If you want a Lydian 'sound' over C then you need to play the C lydian mode: C D E F# G A B *which you may notice is the same as a G major (ionian) scale. This may help a bit ... https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=48107 -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 7 2014, 03:55 PM |
Klasaine clarified this perfectly. The only way to get the lydian sound over C maj chord is playing C Lydian: C D E F# G A B.
You are a bit confused about modes, so let us know if that thread shared by Klasaine clarifies it. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 8 2014, 08:23 PM |
yeah the postings did help. I understand the concept so if I play c major chord, then i just play c major with a raised 4? but someone was helping me and they said that if I play C major scale and there's an F major chord behind it would be lydian?? that's what's throwing me off, he said to learn thing harmonicly instead of in shapes so right now my brain is in a knot and i can't figure it out! Ben clarified this. I recommend you to see the modes as they are called. It's clearer to play C Lydian, and think it as C Lydian to be able to visualize the root of the mode, the 3rd, the 5th, and even most important the #4 which is the characteristic note. This is the best way to get the most of the modes and their vibes. Check out Cosmin list where he shared many tips to practice modes. -------------------- My lessons
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Jun 9 2014, 05:07 AM |
so it's starting to make sense, but I don't get how lol I watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMYUt-OmQLU
and I tried it and it's very lydian sounding, if he plays E major7 then a b minor scale it works perfect, is there a certain concept to that so I can apply it to other keys? cause so far this is what makes the most sense even though from E- B it's 5 steps up? so how is it the 4th mode?? sorry for dragging this out it's just still confusing to my brain lol |
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Jun 9 2014, 07:14 AM |
1) When we say 'lydian' is the 4th mode what we mean is that if you're thinking the modes of the major scale ... ionian, dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian, locrian - the lydian mode is the 4th mode from the PARENT major scale.
2) In the Vai lesson video he's using the E lydian scale/mode which is all the same notes as a B major scale: E F# G# A# B C# D#. *E lydian is the 4th mode of B major (the 'parent' major scale/key). 3) Forget about that Seriously, when you're trying to get a particular 'modal' sound (in this case lydian) know what an E lydian scale is - what notes make up the E lydian mode. Don't even worry (for now) about all the theory. Just try to get the sound of the mode. 4) It is very confusing if you don't have your plain old major scale harmony and theory down cold. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jun 9 2014, 07:19 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 9 2014, 08:18 AM |
so it's starting to make sense, but I don't get how lol I watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMYUt-OmQLU and I tried it and it's very lydian sounding, if he plays E major7 then a b minor scale it works perfect, is there a certain concept to that so I can apply it to other keys? cause so far this is what makes the most sense even though from E- B it's 5 steps up? so how is it the 4th mode?? sorry for dragging this out it's just still confusing to my brain lol Hey man EM7 is E G# B D# - 1 3 5 7 normally, you could play E Lydian over it - that is E F# G# A# B C# D# E - that actually being a mode derived from the B MAJOR scale not the B minor. I just applied the Lydian formula having E as the root and knowing that the Lydian mode is the 4th mode for a certain major scale, I asked the following question: For what major scale is E a perfect 4th? B major of course There ya go Hope it's clear |
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Jun 9 2014, 05:42 PM |
This may help ...
The first column has the 'modal' name sharing the same root. The last column gives you the 'parent' major scale that the mode is derived from. *Example: C dorian is a minor (type of) scale but all of it's notes are derived from the Bb major scale. So Bb is the parent major for C dorian. C aeolian is also a minor scale (though slightly different than dorian) and all of it's notes come from the Eb major (parent) scale. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jun 11 2014, 04:30 PM |
Here's another good chart that gives you chords that define the precise modal 'sound'.
*At the bottom is second chord color (sus) for the fifth mode, mixolydian. This chart relates nicely to what Cosmin just mentioned about knowing the sound of the mode. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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