Bands And Recording, Amp sims or the real thing? |
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Bands And Recording, Amp sims or the real thing? |
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Aug 26 2011, 06:10 AM |
I don't think that those bands that you listen use simulators... I have checked lots of "in the studio" youtube videos and there are always tube heads when they are recording guitars...
check the first part of this video... I can see some cool cabs behind the sound engineer... I don't think that they wouldn't use them if they have it... This post has been edited by Gabriel Leopardi: Aug 26 2011, 06:11 AM -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 26 2011, 06:14 AM |
yeah, all the big bands always use real tube amps, why? because they feel much better, and they sound great.
now, i do think you can get a pro quality with simulators, is not about the sound itself, it's about the attitude, a good song, a good band, good playing. good tone=good fingers, and that's about it. -------------------- Check my Instructor Profile Rockers! Got a Blog too!, www.adriantracks.com Follow me on facebook and youtube! -Youtube |
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Aug 26 2011, 07:35 AM |
I was wondering, do any professional bands use amp sims or do they all use their real live gear plugged into an awesome interface. It's amazing the quality they get in a mix. I just can't get it in amp sims. Am I being fooled and they really use sims? Or perhaps do they mic their amps? I listen to Red, Skillet, and Demon Hunter, by the way. Not suprisingly budget has a lot to do with it. Great amps are not cheap and some bands even rent better amps than they own to record. On the other side, bands are starting to use emulation to save studio time/money. For example Dragon Force uses a ROCKTRON PROPHECY rack module and skips amps completely. This is more and more common. As for getting good/HEAVY tone from emulation. The secret is in the signal chain. I had the same issue until I added a rack mount active direct box (with 20db of gain) before my guitar cable goes to my interface. It made all the difference with Guitar Rig here is an example. All emulation. http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/lesson63-backing This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Aug 26 2011, 07:36 AM |
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Aug 26 2011, 09:59 AM |
I believe they use real heads and more importantly - miced cabs. If you are already using professional studio to record something good and rich in sound and range, why not using a real stuff for the best result?
But, yes, as Adrian said, it has a lot to do with the song as well. Good songs don't need super production, they are just good. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Aug 26 2011, 10:00 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Aug 26 2011, 11:17 AM |
To use an amp is always better imo. But emulation has gone very far with the latest technology, I'm impressed with the clips from the Axe FX
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Aug 26 2011, 12:00 PM |
I think that there are a number of possible issues here.
First, don't assume that every artist always uses and will only use the eqpuipment they endorse or demonstrate. Second, what you hear on CD etc is likely to have been recorded, mixed and mastered professionally. It's very unlikely to be the amp - real or sim - all by itself with no additional treatment/processing/production. IME most bands will record with real amps as others have already stated. In much the same way many at the pro end also prefer the recording, mixing and mastering to be done using hardware rather than software. Rightly or not many still believe that whilst emulation has improved that it still does not match the hardware. Nonetheless amp sims are still used particulaly as they lend themselves really well to re-amping as Todd says and because they also give you access to a wide range of virtual amps, speakers and mics. Regardless of what you use though you still have to invest time in to finding a decent basic sound that can be adapted as the room acoustics requires... Also Adrian says a good song is still a good song even with poor production. A bad song is still a bad song even if it has wonderful production. A good song and great production though is what it's all about ) -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Aug 29 2011, 04:23 AM |
Not suprisingly budget has a lot to do with it. Great amps are not cheap and some bands even rent better amps than they own to record. On the other side, bands are starting to use emulation to save studio time/money. For example Dragon Force uses a ROCKTRON PROPHECY rack module and skips amps completely. This is more and more common. As for getting good/HEAVY tone from emulation. The secret is in the signal chain. I had the same issue until I added a rack mount active direct box (with 20db of gain) before my guitar cable goes to my interface. It made all the difference with Guitar Rig here is an example. All emulation. http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/lesson63-backing This guys are funny , home studios are rocking these days. -------------------- Check my Instructor Profile Rockers! Got a Blog too!, www.adriantracks.com Follow me on facebook and youtube! -Youtube |
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Aug 29 2011, 07:03 AM |
Not suprisingly budget has a lot to do with it. Great amps are not cheap and some bands even rent better amps than they own to record. On the other side, bands are starting to use emulation to save studio time/money. For example Dragon Force uses a ROCKTRON PROPHECY rack module and skips amps completely. This is more and more common. As for getting good/HEAVY tone from emulation. The secret is in the signal chain. I had the same issue until I added a rack mount active direct box (with 20db of gain) before my guitar cable goes to my interface. It made all the difference with Guitar Rig here is an example. All emulation. http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/lesson63-backing Cool video! I like Dragonforce. and yeah, nowadays it's easier to get a professional sound in your bedroom... it's awesome. -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 30 2011, 06:45 AM |
Also Adrian says a good song is still a good song even with poor production. A bad song is still a bad song even if it has wonderful production. A good song and great production though is what it's all about ) Wise words! -------------------- My lessons
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Aug 31 2011, 05:54 AM |
Yeah, I can definitely tell a difference when I play through a real amp. But my budget won't let me buy one. So I just go with POD Farm for now. I'm talking like the real big amps. The Real Deal. Same here dude... same here -------------------- Check my Instructor Profile Rockers! Got a Blog too!, www.adriantracks.com Follow me on facebook and youtube! -Youtube |
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Sep 1 2011, 11:41 AM |
Yeah Paal is right. People usually talk about simulators as a "cheaper" option. Sims can be very expensive, when you calculate the whole signal chain. For that much money, you can easily buy two mini tube heads and 2 SM57s, and have fun all day long.
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