Does Technique Limit Expression?, what does everybody think?
lcsdds
Nov 30 2008, 03:06 PM
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What do you guys think about this? I know of a few artists that seem limited when it comes to certain techniques and it seems that they are still able to express themselves quite well. There are quite a few instructors on this board who seem to have limitless technical ablilities and it seems like they use it to really enhance their playing. What do you guys for instance think of the following players and their technical abilities:

Joe Satriani- Probably my favorite instrumentalist to listen to but I have never heard him do any sort of alternate picking or sweep picked arpeggios like most of us think of when we think of those techniques. Satch is probably the reason my legato/tapping is so far ahead of my alternate picking, LOL!!

Alan Holdsworth- Not super familiar with his playing but from what I have seen/heard it is all legato. Does anybody more familiar with his playing know if he uses alternate picking at all?

Bret Garsed- Same as Alan Holdsworth, never heard/seen any alternate picking runs in his playing.

Frank Gambale- I remember Emir saying that Frank is a true master of his instrument. Here is a guy that only economy picks from what I can gather from his playing. He has a good legato technique as well. One of the biggest knocks on economy picking that I have seen is that you have to "plan" out your licks more than if you alternate pick. This "technical deficiency" doesn't seem to have stopped his progress though.

All of these players don't seem to have problems expressing themselves but they all seem to be "technically limited" in some respects. What do you guys think?

Monte


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Ivan Milenkovic
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Nov 30 2008, 03:06 PM) *
All of these players don't seem to have problems expressing themselves but they all seem to be "technically limited" in some respects. What do you guys think?

Monte


They are not technically limited, they are masters of the instrument. They can play whatever they want flawlessly, and this enables them to forget about the technique and just express themselves on the instrument.

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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 30 2008, 06:25 PM) *
They are not technically limited, they are masters of the instrument. They can play whatever they want flawlessly, and this enables them to forget about the technique and just express themselves on the instrument.

I am with Ivan. These guys you mentioned can't be called limited at all.

The point is that once you reach good level you can focus in whatsoever technique is needed to express yourself the way you want. Getting from your example, it doesn't mean Joe Satriani can not speed pick. It means he prefers to use legato. If he does not do ultra fast speed picking, I am quite sure he would if he focus his practicing on that.

I think techniques are like tools in your toolbox. The more tools you have the more you are prepared for any situation. But you should not expect to use all tools in one song(style) only. There are tools you may rarely use actually.

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- lcsdds   Does Technique Limit Expression?   Nov 30 2008, 03:06 PM
- - RandomVictim   Also alot of the great blues musicians lack many t...   Nov 30 2008, 03:32 PM
- - berko   If I get you right: what you mean under technical ...   Nov 30 2008, 03:48 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   In general I think that there is way too much emph...   Nov 30 2008, 04:28 PM
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- - FrankW   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Nov 30 2008, 03:06 PM) Wh...   Nov 30 2008, 05:16 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (FrankW @ Nov 30 2008, 05:16 PM) In...   Dec 1 2008, 01:02 AM
|- - FrankW   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 1 2008, 01:02 AM) Fra...   Dec 1 2008, 01:44 AM
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|- - Ivan Milenkovic   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 1 2008, 01:02 AM) I a...   Dec 1 2008, 02:11 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 1 2008, 02:1...   Dec 1 2008, 02:23 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   That's pretty interesting list of players you ...   Dec 1 2008, 11:47 AM
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- - Jose Mena   To me Frank Gambale's amazing economy picking ...   Nov 30 2008, 06:32 PM
- - Oxac   As far as I know Allan Holdsworth likes the sound ...   Nov 30 2008, 06:35 PM
- - kjutte   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Nov 30 2008, 03:06 PM) Wh...   Nov 30 2008, 10:49 PM
- - Emir Hot   I think you can still keep a good feel with a diff...   Nov 30 2008, 11:28 PM
|- - Ivan Milenkovic   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Nov 30 2008, 11:28 PM) ...   Nov 30 2008, 11:58 PM
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- - OrganisedConfusion   Allan Holdsworth and Frank Gambale are gods lol. T...   Dec 1 2008, 02:12 AM
- - FrankW   I think that when you consider the playing level o...   Dec 1 2008, 02:28 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (FrankW @ Dec 1 2008, 02:28 AM) . ...   Dec 1 2008, 02:41 AM
|- - FrankW   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 1 2008, 02:41 AM) Ame...   Dec 1 2008, 02:52 AM
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- - Noangels   Brett Garsed normaly picks the 1st two notes on an...   Dec 1 2008, 09:10 AM
- - Eat-Sleep-andJam   QUOTE (Noangels @ Dec 1 2008, 12:10 AM) B...   Dec 1 2008, 02:44 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Eat-Sleep-andJam @ Dec 1 200...   Dec 1 2008, 03:35 PM
|- - Eat-Sleep-andJam   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 1 2008, 06:35 AM) Wha...   Dec 1 2008, 09:15 PM
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- - Pedja Simovic   It all comes down to what your personal style and ...   Dec 1 2008, 03:36 PM
- - Jose Mena   I guess you simply choose not to develop a certain...   Dec 1 2008, 03:41 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Dec 1 2008, 03:41 PM) ...   Dec 1 2008, 03:45 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Dec 1 2008, 03:41 PM) ...   Dec 1 2008, 03:50 PM
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- - Pedja Simovic   You should develop alternate but again depends unt...   Dec 1 2008, 03:52 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 1 2008, 03:52 ...   Dec 1 2008, 03:56 PM
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- - coffeeman   Great topic Monte. Reading all posts now I wonde...   Dec 1 2008, 05:54 PM
- - Lian Gerbino   QUOTE (coffeeman @ Dec 1 2008, 01:54 PM) ...   Dec 1 2008, 09:45 PM
- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Resurrection @ Dec 1 2008, 02:36 A...   Dec 1 2008, 10:03 PM
- - Noangels   I think you have to be an all rounded player these...   Dec 2 2008, 03:15 PM
- - Daniel Robinson   I kind of think that limitation can sometimes be t...   Dec 2 2008, 07:42 PM
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