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Willster View Member Profile	Aug 10 2007, 05:46 AM
Aug 10 2007, 05:46 AM	GMC:er Posts: 13 Joined: 20-December 06	Ya that seems to make sense to me. Because when I play minor pentatonic over major chords it sounds great. Thanks for your help. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

voluto View Member Profile	Sep 21 2007, 08:40 AM
Sep 21 2007, 08:40 AM	GMC:er Posts: 3 Joined: 9-July 07	This is fantastic! Thanks! The only thing that could possibly surpass this is if you could read it out. Then us aural learners could snuggle up and be spoon fed via mp3, at bedtime. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

FretDancer69 View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 12:51 AM
Dec 9 2007, 12:51 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras	Great lesson andrew, but i have some doubts and i was wondering if you could help me... Why do you say that Minor Pentatonic scales have only 5 notes? The first scale i learned was the Am Pentatonic and according to this diagram, it has 12 notes..im so confused... thanks andrew. im addicted to theory now You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by FretDancer69: Dec 9 2007, 12:52 AM -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006

DeepRoots View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 12:58 AM
Dec 9 2007, 12:58 AM	Get to da Chopper! Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK	Hey Fretdancer- You see the scale diagram- start playing it from the lowest orange note - our root note. Its the 5th fret on the lowest E string, the A note. Well our Am pentatonic starts here....if we assend up the scale to the 8th fret E string we have the second note ( C ) , our third note is 5th fret A string (D), our fourth note is 7th Fret A string (E) and finally our fifth note is 5th fret D string (G). Now... when we move to the next orange note in the scale we see that it is also an A note...and so begins the scale again. So as you see- there are 5 notes, but more than one octave You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by DeepRoots: Dec 9 2007, 12:59 AM

Kaneda View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 12:59 AM
Dec 9 2007, 12:59 AM	Other side of the coin Posts: 266 Joined: 3-May 07 From: CPH, Denmark	QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Dec 9 2007, 12:51 AM) Great lesson andrew, but i have some doubts and i was wondering if you could help me... Why do you say that Minor Pentatonic scales have only 5 notes? The first scale i learned was the Am Pentatonic and according to this diagram, it has 12 notes..im so confused... thanks andrew. im addicted to theory now The box has twelve notes, but 7 of them are duplicates in different octaves. The A minor pentatonic scale has the notes A C D E G. The notes on the fretboard you supply are, from bottom to top, left to right: A C D E G A C D E G A C - the orange notes are all the 'A's. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

FretDancer69 View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 01:35 AM
Dec 9 2007, 01:35 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras	QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Dec 8 2007, 05:58 PM) Hey Fretdancer- You see the scale diagram- start playing it from the lowest orange note - our root note. Its the 5th fret on the lowest E string, the A note. Well our Am pentatonic starts here....if we assend up the scale to the 8th fret E string we have the second note ( C ) , our third note is 5th fret A string (D), our fourth note is 7th Fret A string (E) and finally our fifth note is 5th fret D string (G). Now... when we move to the next orange note in the scale we see that it is also an A note...and so begins the scale again. So as you see- there are 5 notes, but more than one octave i see now, thanks alot man, You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 02:14 AM
Dec 9 2007, 02:14 AM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Dec 8 2007, 06:51 PM) thanks andrew. im addicted to theory now I'm glad And since you got 2 answers before I even read your question I see I am not needed around here anymore (just kidding - great to see others helping out with theory, and cool to see Kaneda back, even if it is just briefly ) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

FretDancer69 View Member Profile	Dec 9 2007, 10:56 PM
Dec 9 2007, 10:56 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras	Sorry for bothering alot, but i have another question.... concering scales..: When you create a scale (any) using the formula, how do you know when to change string? For example, the formula for the Major Scale: T T S T T T S Ok, so its 2 tones first (4 semitones). Lets say we're construction a G# major scale so the first note would be G, and the second would be A, and the third would be a note after the tone... what im trying to say is, all the scale formula could be applied to the same string for example: G# A# C C# D# F G G# so there we have the scale, but all these notes are found on the E string (E string as an example), that would mean that the scale could be all these notes on 1 string, but i know its not that way, what i dont know, is how and why you change from string to string when constructing the scale? thanks You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Dec 10 2007, 12:01 AM
Dec 10 2007, 12:01 AM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	Aha! Very good question! The answer is that there is no set way to do it. Do it in one way and you will get boxes, do it slightly differently and you will get 3 note per string scales. Do it as you said and you can play the whole scale on 1 string. What these are, are patterns that reproduce the scale. Each scale has many possible patterns on the guitar, some are more useful and common than others - there are no rules on when to change string though, just convention, and convention is dictated by what works best. Boxes are good for beginners, and arpeggios, 3nps are great for fast speedpicking runs for instance. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

Kaneda View Member Profile	Dec 10 2007, 03:19 AM
Dec 10 2007, 03:19 AM	Other side of the coin Posts: 266 Joined: 3-May 07 From: CPH, Denmark	QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Dec 9 2007, 02:14 AM) I'm glad And since you got 2 answers before I even read your question I see I am not needed around here anymore (just kidding - great to see others helping out with theory, and cool to see Kaneda back, even if it is just briefly ) Stop the humble pie. You're essential, Andrew. Speaking for myself, I tend to just complicate things People would run away screaming if I ran the place You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

FretDancer69 View Member Profile	Dec 10 2007, 05:04 AM
Dec 10 2007, 05:04 AM	GMC:er Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras	QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Dec 9 2007, 05:01 PM) Aha! Very good question! The answer is that there is no set way to do it. Do it in one way and you will get boxes, do it slightly differently and you will get 3 note per string scales. Do it as you said and you can play the whole scale on 1 string. What these are, are patterns that reproduce the scale. Each scale has many possible patterns on the guitar, some are more useful and common than others - there are no rules on when to change string though, just convention, and convention is dictated by what works best. Boxes are good for beginners, and arpeggios, 3nps are great for fast speedpicking runs for instance. I see thanks alot Andrew couldn't have explained it better, once again thanks! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Dec 10 2007, 12:10 PM
Dec 10 2007, 12:10 PM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	QUOTE (Kaneda @ Dec 9 2007, 09:19 PM) Stop the humble pie. You're essential, Andrew. Speaking for myself, I tend to just complicate things People would run away screaming if I ran the place Here's the plan then - I'll lure them in with the simple stuff, then you nail 'em when they can no longer run away QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Dec 9 2007, 11:04 PM) I see thanks alot Andrew couldn't have explained it better, once again thanks! Cool You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

JensN View Member Profile	Feb 4 2008, 03:46 PM
Feb 4 2008, 03:46 PM	GMC:er Posts: 33 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Haninge, Sweden	A great theory lessons Andrew. I have one question at the moment though. As I've understood things (from other sources) one should always construct scales with accumulative letter names, i.e. C D E F G A B, and then apply your scale pattern with sharps or flats as necessary to get your scale. Now your example look like this: QUOTE So, we have built our scale of G# major according to our major scale formula to get the notes: G# A# C C# D# F G Was there a specific reason for the C C# choice? I would have thought it would be G# A# B# C# D# E# F## If I'm just confused and have gotten things completely wrong, please let me know. The acctual tones played on the fretboad for those 2 would be the same though, if I'm not completly lost... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- __________________________________________ "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they are yours"

JensN View Member Profile	Feb 9 2008, 10:52 PM
Feb 9 2008, 10:52 PM	GMC:er Posts: 33 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Haninge, Sweden	Anyone? Am I totally off here? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- __________________________________________ "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they are yours"

DeepRoots View Member Profile	Feb 9 2008, 11:04 PM
Feb 9 2008, 11:04 PM	Get to da Chopper! Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK	QUOTE (JensN @ Feb 9 2008, 09:52 PM) Anyone? Am I totally off here? You are right I believe andrew wrote it like that as it is an introduction to scales, didn't want to confuse anybody with double sharps or a B# ("hey i thought there was no such thing?!?") well picked up though - i see you are on the right track You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by DeepRoots: Feb 9 2008, 11:04 PM

Davidian View Member Profile	Feb 9 2008, 11:16 PM
Feb 9 2008, 11:16 PM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 411 Joined: 15-August 07 From: Brugge, Belgium	It's just a matter of notation, I think. The 'formula' you wrote down, is exactly the same as the other one. The quoted one is, for me, the easiest. You can't get confused... I think the way you chose to write down the formula, is the diatonic way, which means you never write the same letter dwon twice... I am not an expert in this, and it could be wrong what I just wrote... But I hope it's right, and it helped you out EDIT: DeepRoots was faster than me... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Davidian: Feb 9 2008, 11:17 PM -------------------- Music is supposed to break down walls, smash through barriers; and free your mind!

JensN View Member Profile	Feb 9 2008, 11:25 PM
Feb 9 2008, 11:25 PM	GMC:er Posts: 33 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Haninge, Sweden	Thank you both. I was a bit confused about it, but I'm glad to here I'm on the right track. Edit: and yes, now that you mention it, I can imagine how a B# and double # could be confusing as well. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by JensN: Feb 9 2008, 11:27 PM -------------------- __________________________________________ "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they are yours"

DeepRoots View Member Profile	Feb 9 2008, 11:36 PM
Feb 9 2008, 11:36 PM	Get to da Chopper! Posts: 2.700 Joined: 18-March 07 From: South Wales, UK	Good to see you're having fun with it Now go have fun with the rest of Andrew's awesome series <clutches theory bible tightly> You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Feb 10 2008, 01:11 AM
Feb 10 2008, 01:11 AM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Feb 9 2008, 05:04 PM) You are right I believe andrew wrote it like that as it is an introduction to scales, didn't want to confuse anybody with double sharps or a B# ("hey i thought there was no such thing?!?") well picked up though - i see you are on the right track Thanks for the defence DeepRoots Things get a bit hairy with that many harps and I didn;t want to confuse things but you are absolutlely correct. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

JensN View Member Profile	Feb 10 2008, 04:34 PM
Feb 10 2008, 04:34 PM	GMC:er Posts: 33 Joined: 23-January 08 From: Haninge, Sweden	I'm indeed enjoying Andrew's theory lessons. Big kudos for the effort you have put in here Andrew! At the moment I have more time then usual to dig into theory since it seems I have been a bit over ambitious with exercises. I will let the guitars rest for a week or two to let my left hand get back into shape. But I think the theory lessons will be a huge advantage when I get back to playing again. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- __________________________________________ "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they are yours"

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