Learning Intervals And Harmony |
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Learning Intervals And Harmony |
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Sep 18 2009, 09:22 AM |
Just want to make couple of suggestions, before Pedja starts with his detailed explanation:
- Check out interval theory here and here - Check out ear training form them here This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Sep 18 2009, 09:23 AM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Sep 18 2009, 09:32 AM |
I want to do the exact same thing, its just a lot of work.. guees some day it will stick
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Sep 18 2009, 08:09 PM |
Pedja.....how would you reccomend I go about memorizing harmony, intervals etc. I want to be able to just spout stuff off without having to think to much about it. I just want to KNOW IT!!! You said something in a post the other day that struck home to me. You said....."you need to memorize theory so you can forget about it and just be creative".....or something to that effect. I probably have the equivalent of 2 hours everyday at work......in between patients and at lunch that I can devote to just studying/memorizing theory. The problem is that I feel there is so much info that I need a plan. My goal for this last year was to really work on my technique and I feel I have made some good progress. Next year my goal is to really focus on composing and I feel that to do this I really need to be able to know my theory without having to think about it. I can figure stuff out but it is too cumbersome and it kills the creative process when I have to sit and think too much.....not to mention it hurts my head...... I'll do whatever you tell me too if you could lay out a little plan for me to conquer this beast over the next year or so..... Thanks Pedja..... \m/\m/ Monte my friend, As always I like the way you are approaching your goals. Thinking things through and trying to find best way to reach your target. Your questions are very specific so I will try in this post to answer what I recommend for everything. - Learn everything about intervals up until one octave! You need to know structure of the intervals, know in which major scale modes which scale degree is characteristic, what is characteristic interval of specific mode. You also need to learn how to hear these intervals in your head and that requires Ear Training (which I will get to later). Another very important aspect is to learn to play all these intervals and shapes of them all over guitar neck. For something to hear and your ear to remember, you have to play. For something for your ear to remember, you have to listen to what you play, identify it and sing it (with and without instrument). Eventually this whole process will lead into relative pitch where you will be able to sing any interval from any pitch. It could also enable to have some fixed and stable note in your head which you can use to relate to other notes. Final suggestion is study for time being my interval lesson series. You can find all lessons for them HERE. As time goes by, I will add lessons on my ear training part of board which will enable you to improve your ear and relative pitch. - Read all the theory and harmony posts on my board! Already there is couple of very useful posts on my theory and harmony board. By reading through them and memorizing formulas, cadences, relationship between the notes, reharmonizing ideas, you are making your brain think about these possibilities. I am firm believer that for something to work best, you have to make it as practical as possible. In other words, best way to learn all theory and harmony is through assignments (like the ones I am giving to my MTP students) as they make you use all the things you read in real music examples. If you are able to relate each thing you read and learned on paper, into some real piece of music, example and assignment, then your brain memory locks it deep and its there for good. This is why theory and harmony for me is like you say instant. I just know it really well because I spent countless hours days weeks months reading learning analyzing and creating challenges how to get full grasp of it. It just eventually becomes automatic but you have to go through the certain process. Process is reading + useful assignments to make sure you got it all. Final suggestion for this one is to read all theory and harmony posts on my board. Also, browse through my MTP part of forum and check out things I assigned there to some members. You will already see short tests (quizes) I posted - try to do them all! If you are done with everything, come back to this board and feel free to write your experience from everything. I will as frequent as possible update this board with new theory and harmony posts. I will also work individually with my MTP students on very specific theory and harmony things (like with Ben I am working on Reharmonization techniques, Matt has covered all the posts in the theory and harmony board, Roman is about to do so, Marc Maiden and Tiago Paiva are working on harmony analysis of Blue Bossa with soloing applications etc). So you see, everything comes alive here, we just have to have a specific goal. I am very happy to see you have defined yours and I hope on this and my other boards you will reach it just like the other guys. Hope this response was useful to you Monte. Keep in touch! Pedja |
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Sep 18 2009, 09:48 PM |
Thanks Pedja. I have an immediate goal right now of learning the four 7th arpeggios found in diatonic harmony.....Maj7, min7, Dom7, and min7b5. I am going to learn all four inversions of each type and then practice just what you said......Stay on same note and practice reharmonizing from one note. Then try and relate the reharminizations to each specific mode. Any suggestions???? I spent the last couple of days tabbing out the arpeggios using conventional sweep picking and also some tapping using string skipping......more options. Sure thing Monte, I would suggest practicing arpeggios in some cycles to keep it fun, interesting and useful. You might want to pick conventional cycles like cycle 5 and cycle 4 and practice each arpeggio shape and inversion through them. Then you can vary things in start with C maj7 use Cycle 4 to F but do Dom 7 then Bb maj 7 then Eb7 then Ab maj7. This is cool because each dominant 7 arpeggio sets up new I major 7 arpeggio or new key. So in a way, without knowing, you are actually practicing prepared modulation (V to I or secondary dominant chord into some diatonic chord). Very cool approach. I would also suggest learning arpeggios horizontaly and vertically. Try positional playing using CAGED system shapes but also use 2 note per string system! This system gives you more freedom to move around the whole guitar neck plus every other string you do the exact same fingering and distance. I actually did lesson on this system which you may find very useful as a guide to what I am referring to here. Lesson name is Arpeggio study in Bb major. Check it out HERE Let me know if I can help in any other way. I could perhaps do a video for you to show you how I practice these arpeggios and embed it from Youtube here. I am about to do customized lesson on that this weekend anyway. I can create a short expect from it or record double thing for you. Pedja |
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Sep 18 2009, 10:26 PM
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Gotcha Pedja!!! Thanks and this will for sure make my arpeggio practice much more useful and fun. Hope you feel better man......\m/\m/
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Sep 22 2009, 10:22 AM |
Great of you to share these arpeggios and inversions Monte. Very useful for tapping!
I will cover tapping with some MTP students so I might use some of it |
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