Exotic Scales - Half-whole Diminished |
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Jun 24 2007, 06:43 PM |
Exotic Scales - Half Whole Diminished The Half-Whole diminished scale is one of a larger class of 8 tone scales known generically as BeBop scales. It is actually a mode of the Diminished scale, and owing to its construction and the fact that it has 8 tones, it actually repeats its pattern every 2 steps, meaning that it can serve as multiple modes for the parent scale. In this case it is modes II, IV, VI and VIII, whilst the parent scale (The Whole-Half diminished) serves as the other modes. This scale is used a lot in Jazz, and plays well over a range of diminished chords. The Half-whole scale is commonly used over a Dominant chord too, and while this seems like a strange choice (m7b5 chords should suit it better) it yields some altered tones that jazzers like. Number of tones : 8 Intervals : 1,b2,b3,3,#4,5,6,b7 Formula : 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 Characteristic Chords : Half Diminished, Diminished, Minor 7, Diminished 7 HalfWhole.mp3 ( 158.92K ) Number of downloads: 2379 This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Jun 26 2007, 01:47 AM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 2 2007, 02:45 AM |
Didnt shawn lane play in diminshed scales alot for long legato runs ?
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Jul 2 2007, 07:25 AM |
Didnt shawn lane play in diminshed scales alot for long legato runs ? as seen possibly here : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1...h&plindex=0 Haven't heard a lot of Shawn's music, but in that video, pretty much. He was playing diminished chords in arpeggios (i.e., 3 semitones = 3 frets between each note), and "stacking them", so that we have, for example: CODE Edim - E G Bb Bbdim - Bb Db E ... then start over from "the new E". Or, in other terms, he's playing the notes of the chord Edim7 (E G Bb Db) Then when he expanded it to "outside type playing", moving this pattern chromatically, if he moved it 1 fret up (= 1 semitone), he got: CODE Fdim - F Ab B Bdim - B D F ... then start over. Or, in other terms, he's playing the notes of the chord Fdim7 (F Ab B D) If we combine the notes of those two sets of chords: CODE E G Bb Db + F Ab B D = E F G Ab Bb B Db D E ... we have the E half-whole diminished scale (as seen in Andrew's example fretboard above). To stay in that scale, you'd then move up 2 frets, rather than 1 (to start with a Gdim, rather than an F#dim, which doesn't fit into our E H/W dim scale). Actually, if you did start from the F#dim, you'd have played all the 12 notes in the chromatic scale. This is what gives these two kinds of scales their "diminished" name - they can be seen as combining the notes of two diminished 7th chords. But still, it's really playing (broken) chords moreso than melodic material based on the scale, so I'm not totally sure I'd call it playing in a diminished scale. And yet, the sound is more "in that scale" than in any major or minor key. This post has been edited by Kaneda: Jul 2 2007, 07:31 AM |
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Jul 2 2007, 05:27 PM |
Thanks Kaneda, that actual helped me quite alot!
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Jul 22 2007, 02:09 PM |
funny andrew i am just practicing this one , it is insaine
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Nov 17 2008, 07:54 PM |
By Dim7 I presume you mean min7/b5 ?
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Nov 17 2008, 09:55 PM |
Wow, that expanded my mind - thanks for the fantastic insights Pedja - that analysis shows what a flexible scale this can be - I love the way you can bring some dry theory to life with your experience!
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