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Scale Shapes, Correlating pentatonic and diatonic shapes

Satchstet View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 02:17 AM
Sep 6 2011, 02:17 AM	GMC:er Posts: 31 Joined: 19-June 11	So I'm wanting to get even better at knowing where I am on the fingerboard and how to play over key changes......like E Ionian to E Lydian for example. I've been thinking a lot about how to approach this and i have discovered something. The pentatonic shapes and diatonic shapes as I have learned them don't mesh very well thanks to the interval between the G and B string. Sooooooo......to compensate for this I have decided to modify the diatonic scale shapes. They will be 3 nps on the E A D strings and then 2 nps on the B string and then back to 3 nps on the B and E strings. This makes it to where I can then "overlay" the diatonic shape on the pentatonic shape and i don't have to shift "out of position" when I play the straight 3 nps shapes. Pretty damn handy I think. It makes it A LOT easier to slip in and out of pentatonic and diatonic playing when doing this. I've never seen diatonic scales taught like this. I've only seen them taught 3nps with the position shift on the B and E strings and I've seen the CAGED method where there are only 5 positions taught....even though there are 7 notes in the diatonic scale. The CAGED system also has 2nps on inconsistent strings as well.....sometimes on the B string sometimes on the A string etc......no consistency. Anyways just a little revealation I had when trying to switch between the diatonic and pentatonic scale. It makes it easier to stick to the "safe" notes of the pentatonic scale but know quickly where the "color" notes of the diatonic scale is so you can spice up your playing........ You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Michael AC View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 02:35 AM
Sep 6 2011, 02:35 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 342 Joined: 15-December 10 From: Newark, Ohio	QUOTE (Satchstet @ Sep 5 2011, 09:17 PM) So I'm wanting to get even better at knowing where I am on the fingerboard and how to play over key changes......like E Ionian to E Lydian for example. I've been thinking a lot about how to approach this and i have discovered something. The pentatonic shapes and diatonic shapes as I have learned them don't mesh very well thanks to the interval between the G and B string. Sooooooo......to compensate for this I have decided to modify the diatonic scale shapes. They will be 3 nps on the E A D strings and then 2 nps on the B string and then back to 3 nps on the B and E strings. This makes it to where I can then "overlay" the diatonic shape on the pentatonic shape and i don't have to shift "out of position" when I play the straight 3 nps shapes. Pretty damn handy I think. It makes it A LOT easier to slip in and out of pentatonic and diatonic playing when doing this. I've never seen diatonic scales taught like this. I've only seen them taught 3nps with the position shift on the B and E strings and I've seen the CAGED method where there are only 5 positions taught....even though there are 7 notes in the diatonic scale. The CAGED system also has 2nps on inconsistent strings as well.....sometimes on the B string sometimes on the A string etc......no consistency. Anyways just a little revealation I had when trying to switch between the diatonic and pentatonic scale. It makes it easier to stick to the "safe" notes of the pentatonic scale but know quickly where the "color" notes of the diatonic scale is so you can spice up your playing........ Would mind putting up an example? Maybe use the scale generator? Thanks. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Satchstet View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 03:40 PM
Sep 6 2011, 03:40 PM	GMC:er Posts: 31 Joined: 19-June 11	QUOTE (Michael AC @ Sep 6 2011, 01:35 AM) Would mind putting up an example? Maybe use the scale generator? Thanks. Here are the scale shapes in the key of G major. Nothing revolutionary but I've never seen diatonic scales presented like this.....I've only seen the straight 3nps and CAGED shapes. These to me are just much more handy when using them in conjunction with the pentatonic shapes......especially on the B and high E strings....... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Attached image(s)

Daniel Realpe View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 03:49 PM
Sep 6 2011, 03:49 PM	Instructor Posts: 5.655 Joined: 11-October 09 From: Bogota	I think the CAGED system is good for knowing your fretboard and know where you are so to speak. But for technical suitability it's good to know the 3nps patterns, then you realise both converge, You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Visit my: INSTRUCTOR PROFILE "If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music." Gustav Mahler Subscribe to my Youtube Channel here

Satchstet View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 03:58 PM
Sep 6 2011, 03:58 PM	GMC:er Posts: 31 Joined: 19-June 11	QUOTE (Daniel Realpe @ Sep 6 2011, 02:49 PM) I think the CAGED system is good for knowing your fretboard and know where you are so to speak. But for technical suitability it's good to know the 3nps patterns, then you realise both converge, I never realized the converging part....... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Sep 6 2011, 09:39 PM
Sep 6 2011, 09:39 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	That's a very interesting discovery mate, keep practicing that one, it should be useful no doubt! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Michael AC View Member Profile	Sep 7 2011, 02:34 AM
Sep 7 2011, 02:34 AM	Learning Apprentice Player Posts: 342 Joined: 15-December 10 From: Newark, Ohio	QUOTE (Satchstet @ Sep 6 2011, 10:40 AM) Here are the scale shapes in the key of G major. Nothing revolutionary but I've never seen diatonic scales presented like this.....I've only seen the straight 3nps and CAGED shapes. These to me are just much more handy when using them in conjunction with the pentatonic shapes......especially on the B and high E strings....... I got it now, that is actually how I have been playing some exercises I as adapt things on my own...after I work on caged I try and find the notes that are shared between them and the pentatonic that I know...just still realizing how it all turns into phrasing... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

Gabriel Leopardi View Member Profile	Sep 7 2011, 04:43 AM
Sep 7 2011, 04:43 AM	Instructor Posts: 36.043 Joined: 3-March 07 From: Argentina	It's a very good reasoning! There are many theories about how to learn the fretboard and scales for improvisation. It's great that you are working on your way and that it's giving good results. Keep on working! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel

zoom View Member Profile	Sep 7 2011, 06:51 AM
Sep 7 2011, 06:51 AM	Learning Roadie Posts: 636 Joined: 23-March 07 From: Australia	I might have to run over these and check them out. Looks good! Cheers Satchstet You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content!

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