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Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 24 2009, 03:02 PM

Hello Lcsdds (I'll call you bob, that's shorter tongue.gif)

I saw in Smells' post that I'm in your group, and that's good news tongue.gif I'm a "friend" of Jesse (MSN friend tongue.gif ) So I followed your thread a bit, seemed very neat! A bit about myself:

My name is Kaz, and I'm 15 and a bit. I have played many years, but not ver efficient. I got a spanish acoustic 3/4 when I was about 8, my dad learned me some chords and I played very few times a month. Oktober 2007 I bought an electric guitar, and I started to play some serious guitar. If people ask me how long I've beeen playing, I say a bit over a year, or a bit shorter then one and a half year. I know play every day, but not hours a day. My motto is, have fun with your guitar, then you'll be motivated. This is also how I practice, no schedule, just jammin! It might not be very efficient, but with a schedule I have no fun at all, and I loose motivation.

I know all the ins and outs about GMC, I've been around for quite a while, and I'm almost part of the wallpaper here laugh.gif
My skills:
Solo = beginner intermediate. I play lessons here that are level 4 and 5. I can do legato (weird.. I don't really practice that, but i can pulll it of..), AP, little sweeping and tapping, but I'm not very much into tapping. My vibrato could use some help tongue.gif

Chords= not sure how to expres this. I can play all normal chords. All minor and major without peaking, and also some 7th chords, but others I have to look how to play them (I don't find this a big problem). I can play barre chords, no problemo. I think I can actualy say my chord skills are quite ok tongue.gif

Riffing: It's not like I riff and awful lot, but I think I'm ok with it. I can play metal rhythms no big deal.

fingerpicking = I'd like to work on this. Not full time, but a bit more then i do now. I can play the intro of under bridge, but not on speed. I think fingerpicking (especially acoustic) can be really cool tongue.gif

theory = I know the minor pentatonic (and with relative minor, I can do the major). So minor and major are all fine. I don't remember the exact places of all the root notes, but I've known the penta for over a year now, and I make all my solos in it, so atm I can fly through the boxes quite well. Now comes the time where I miss some extra notes, so I started on the blues scale. I know the blue notes int he first box, and I use them a lot, but I am/was to lazy to learn where the blue notes are in the other boxes. I also know how to play box 1 and 2 from the major scale.

ATM I'm very much into Satriani. I can play Always With Me, Always with You, until the hard legato parts start, and I'm learning the intro from if I could fly, but that's not gonna be a problem. I'm always in need of songs to learn, I just don't know enough of them! As for styles, I love blues and rock. I'm into melodic solos, and I really don't like senseless shredding tongue.gif lesson I dig are (for instance) Mark Knopler finger picked solo (muris), In the style of Steve Lukather (muris again) and Gab's Rock lessons. There are more lessons I love, these just came up tongue.gif

I hope this helps tongue.gif and for movies, my YT link is http://www.youtube.com/user/kaznerov. I also have a singing video online, just PM me if you want a link to that one. I use a POD GX for recording (toneport device) with POD farm. I can record MP3 quite quickly, but I don't like shooting videos tongue.gif Takes a lot of time for me. I don't have a webcam, so I need to setup camera, film, sync, produce etc. etc.

BTW, I'm fine with learning theory, but I think that gives you a new task, kicking me under the but, because (not sure why) I suck with learning theory, I just don't give a lot about it. But I use penta aalwaays so i know it's important tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 24 2009, 05:22 PM

Hi Kanzie. Hope you are OK being paired with me. If you have Guitar Pro I would appreciate it if you would download the tab I provided. It is for learning Scales and Triads. Even if you know these already it is good to have as a reference.

I noticed you said you are not going to practice with a metronome. That is up to you my friend although I would reccomend it. The main thing I want you to learn at first is your scales and triads. You don't need to learn them overnight tho. Just slowly, maybe 10-15 min a day as a warmup would be great.

Tell me what aspect of your playing you are interested in working on and I will point you in the right direction with some GMC lesson Recommendations.

Also, since your timing is so good I would like to see a post of you playing Muris's Canon in D by the end of the week. laugh.gif laugh.gif



Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 24 2009, 05:29 PM

Hello Lcsdds (I'll call you bob, that's shorter tongue.gif)

I saw in Smells' post that I'm in your group, and that's good news tongue.gif I'm a "friend" of Jesse (MSN friend tongue.gif ) So I followed your thread a bit, seemed very neat! A bit about myself:

My name is Kaz, and I'm 15 and a bit. I have played many years, but not ver efficient. I got a spanish acoustic 3/4 when I was about 8, my dad learned me some chords and I played very few times a month. Oktober 2007 I bought an electric guitar, and I started to play some serious guitar. If people ask me how long I've beeen playing, I say a bit over a year, or a bit shorter then one and a half year. I know play every day, but not hours a day. My motto is, have fun with your guitar, then you'll be motivated. This is also how I practice, no schedule, just jammin! It might not be very efficient, but with a schedule I have no fun at all, and I loose motivation.

I know all the ins and outs about GMC, I've been around for quite a while, and I'm almost part of the wallpaper here laugh.gif
My skills:
Solo = beginner intermediate. I play lessons here that are level 4 and 5. I can do legato (weird.. I don't really practice that, but i can pulll it of..), AP, little sweeping and tapping, but I'm not very much into tapping. My vibrato could use some help tongue.gif

Chords= not sure how to expres this. I can play all normal chords. All minor and major without peaking, and also some 7th chords, but others I have to look how to play them (I don't find this a big problem). I can play barre chords, no problemo. I think I can actualy say my chord skills are quite ok tongue.gif

Riffing: It's not like I riff and awful lot, but I think I'm ok with it. I can play metal rhythms no big deal.

fingerpicking = I'd like to work on this. Not full time, but a bit more then i do now. I can play the intro of under bridge, but not on speed. I think fingerpicking (especially acoustic) can be really cool tongue.gif

theory = I know the minor pentatonic (and with relative minor, I can do the major). So minor and major are all fine. I don't remember the exact places of all the root notes, but I've known the penta for over a year now, and I make all my solos in it, so atm I can fly through the boxes quite well. Now comes the time where I miss some extra notes, so I started on the blues scale. I know the blue notes int he first box, and I use them a lot, but I am/was to lazy to learn where the blue notes are in the other boxes. I also know how to play box 1 and 2 from the major scale.

ATM I'm very much into Satriani. I can play Always With Me, Always with You, until the hard legato parts start, and I'm learning the intro from if I could fly, but that's not gonna be a problem. I'm always in need of songs to learn, I just don't know enough of them! As for styles, I love blues and rock. I'm into melodic solos, and I really don't like senseless shredding tongue.gif lesson I dig are (for instance) Mark Knopler finger picked solo (muris), In the style of Steve Lukather (muris again) and Gab's Rock lessons. There are more lessons I love, these just came up tongue.gif

I hope this helps tongue.gif and for movies, my YT link is http://www.youtube.com/user/kaznerov. I also have a singing video online, just PM me if you want a link to that one. I use a POD GX for recording (toneport device) with POD farm. I can record MP3 quite quickly, but I don't like shooting videos tongue.gif Takes a lot of time for me. I don't have a webcam, so I need to setup camera, film, sync, produce etc. etc.

BTW, I'm fine with learning theory, but I think that gives you a new task, kicking me under the but, because (not sure why) I suck with learning theory, I just don't give a lot about it. But I use penta aalwaays so i know it's important tongue.gif

UPDATE: so to put everything here that you wished, I don't practice with metronome, but I can count along. I never count when playing solos, and I'm not planning to do either. My timing is just fin (I think that's a fair comment) and you can check on the boogie collab as a little example, which isn't the easiest rhythm.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 24 2009, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 24 2009, 05:22 PM) *
Hi Kanzie. Hope you are OK being paired with me. If you have Guitar Pro I would appreciate it if you would download the tab I provided. It is for learning Scales and Triads. Even if you know these already it is good to have as a reference.

I noticed you said you are not going to practice with a metronome. That is up to you my friend although I would reccomend it. The main thing I want you to learn at first is your scales and triads. You don't need to learn them overnight tho. Just slowly, maybe 10-15 min a day as a warmup would be great.

Tell me what aspect of your playing you are interested in working on and I will point you in the right direction with some GMC lesson Recommendations.

Also, since your timing is so good I would like to see a post of you playing Muris's Canon in D by the end of the week. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Sorry if I seem a bit to positive about myself. I just tried to make an objective list. About the metronome, I'm fine with practicing using a metronome, but lots of times I'm just jamming a bit, and then I don't have a set speed! When i'm behind the computer learning songs, I can use a metronome or jam along with the GP5 file.

And the Canon in D, I've already covered that one.. just not sure where I left the video of that laugh.gif or not tongue.gif

Just to add, as I said I'm not into schedules and so, playing thingy 1 for 15 minutes, then thingy 2 for 10 minutes and then number 3 for 15 minutes, might not be ideal for me. I just mean I'm not that structured tongue.gif I'm going to keep up, but it is possible that it's not exactly like the schedule you "prescribe"!

Oh and paired with you... I think that's great! you're one of the active people, that's better then some mentor who stops with this two days after the start... And if I'm woried about my teeth I can always ask laugh.gif bad joke, i know wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 24 2009, 10:27 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 24 2009, 09:57 PM) *
Sorry if I seem a bit to positive about myself. I just tried to make an objective list. About the metronome, I'm fine with practicing using a metronome, but lots of times I'm just jamming a bit, and then I don't have a set speed! When i'm behind the computer learning songs, I can use a metronome or jam along with the GP5 file.

And the Canon in D, I've already covered that one.. just not sure where I left the video of that laugh.gif or not tongue.gif

Just to add, as I said I'm not into schedules and so, playing thingy 1 for 15 minutes, then thingy 2 for 10 minutes and then number 3 for 15 minutes, might not be ideal for me. I just mean I'm not that structured tongue.gif I'm going to keep up, but it is possible that it's not exactly like the schedule you "prescribe"!

Oh and paired with you... I think that's great! you're one of the active people, that's better then some mentor who stops with this two days after the start... And if I'm woried about my teeth I can always ask laugh.gif bad joke, i know wink.gif

No worries Kaz. This program is for you to get out of it what you want. I am only here to guide and give suggestions. Ultimately you have to decide what you want to learn and how you want to go about it. I can certainly tell you how I would approach something and give you what worked for me etc., but I am not gonna force you to do anything you don't want to.

Your first assignment can be found on the main thread. You might not want to do it though since your timing is fine already. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Let me know when you find the Canon in D video, I'd love to see it. laugh.gif laugh.gif BTW, If you want help with that lesson I have done it so I could give you some tips. smile.gif

Also Kaz, let me know what things you want to work on in your playing so I can make some recommendations for you. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 24 2009, 10:27 PM) *
No worries Kaz. This program is for you to get out of it what you want. I am only here to guide and give suggestions. Ultimately you have to decide what you want to learn and how you want to go about it. I can certainly tell you how I would approach something and give you what worked for me etc., but I am not gonna force you to do anything you don't want to.

Your first assignment can be found on the main thread. You might not want to do it though since your timing is fine already. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Let me know when you find the Canon in D video, I'd love to see it. laugh.gif laugh.gif BTW, If you want help with that lesson I have done it so I could give you some tips. smile.gif

Also Kaz, let me know what things you want to work on in your playing so I can make some recommendations for you. smile.gif

Ok, I'll get busy on your assignment this afternoon, cause I share this computer with my bro, so i can't use it untill the afternoon. I'd like to get my solos up to speed, but I want to play them melodic. For instance the Steve Lukather lesson would be super cool to learn, but I think it's to hard for now. i hope to shoot the canon in D somewhere next... Year tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 25 2009, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 25 2009, 11:55 AM) *
Ok, I'll get busy on your assignment this afternoon, cause I share this computer with my bro, so i can't use it untill the afternoon. I'd like to get my solos up to speed, but I want to play them melodic. For instance the Steve Lukather lesson would be super cool to learn, but I think it's to hard for now. i hope to shoot the canon in D somewhere next... Year tongue.gif


Cool Kaz. I want to see you challenge yourself so Mr. Lukather it is!! smile.gif Here ya go!!

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/steve-lukather-style-lesson/

In my opinion the only way to learn these more difficult lessons is to just do them. If you get to a lick you are having a tough time with you make an excercise out of it and get to work with a metronome until you can play that part up to tempo!! Let's say the first 5 bars by Saturday shall we? You are good with your bends so these bars should be right up your alley. If you have questions or need help let me know. Good luck Kaz and good lesson choice!! smile.gif


Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 12:55 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 25 2009, 12:50 PM) *
Cool Kaz. I want to see you challenge yourself so Mr. Lukather it is!! smile.gif Here ya go!!

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/steve-lukather-style-lesson/

In my opinion the only way to learn these more difficult lessons is to just do them. If you get to a lick you are having a tough time with you make an excercise out of it and get to work with a metronome until you can play that part up to tempo!! Let's say the first 5 bars by Saturday shall we? You are good with your bends so these bars should be right up your alley. If you have questions or need help let me know. Good luck Kaz and good lesson choice!! smile.gif

Haha, Ok I'm in for it tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 25 2009, 12:50 PM) *
Cool Kaz. I want to see you challenge yourself so Mr. Lukather it is!! smile.gif Here ya go!!

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/steve-lukather-style-lesson/

In my opinion the only way to learn these more difficult lessons is to just do them. If you get to a lick you are having a tough time with you make an excercise out of it and get to work with a metronome until you can play that part up to tempo!! Let's say the first 5 bars by Saturday shall we? You are good with your bends so these bars should be right up your alley. If you have questions or need help let me know. Good luck Kaz and good lesson choice!! smile.gif

That's also a good way of starting to use the metronome in my routine.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 01:41 PM

I wish I'd never started bout the metronome xD Do you want a video or is mp3 ok? If it's gonna be video my sound quality is gonna be good enough to hear it all and stuff, but not for producing a song tongue.gif

EDIT: I just watched the metronome video again, and I have a question. When you play solos and stuff do you still count everything? Am I right when I say counting is great to get started, but after a while it should come natural?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 25 2009, 02:26 PM) *
Absolutely Kaz. After you use the metronome for awhile you will have and "inner metronome" that is alway going in your head or in the case of a backing track you will have drums or a drummer if you are playing a gig. The metronome is useful for developing you sense of timing. Some of Muris's lessons have you playing 16th triplets at 160 bpm mad.gif How are you supposed to get that up to speed without a metronome? The answer is YOU WON"T! smile.gif I don't count when I am playing solos either Kaz but I am counting subconsciously because I have worked with the metronome, or in my case a drum machine, so much that I can just feel where the beat it.

I know you said you don't want to shred and that is great, but you can't tell me that you don't want to throw the occasional shred run in your blues solos. Eric Johnson does and so did SRV!! smile.gif We'll go over it some more when you get to some of the faster runs in the Lukather lesson. I'll show you exactly how to use the metronome to get those runs up to speed. Unless of course you can already play them up to tempo. smile.gif You said you can play some Satriani until the hard legato parts start. How do you plan to remedy this? Just not play them? smile.gif The answer my friend is to get out the metronome and get to work. smile.gif

BTW, mp3 is ok but make sure I can hear a drumbeat so I know you are playing in time. smile.gif

I'll insert a click track

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 02:58 PM

Here you go tongue.gif Can u explain (or link to an explanation) about the triads? I know how to build them, but what are these? Are these just ways of playing an Amaj chord, or are we gonna use them for arpeggios? And about the shredding, I think some fast licks/runs are great!

80 BPM

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 25 2009, 04:08 PM

The Luke thingy is going very well! I'm now at bar 7, the bended tapping lick. It'll take some time but I can get that lick down, the one behind that one is a bit harder tongue.gif My finger hurts from all the bending, because I cut the nail to short yesterday xD. I really really dig this lesson, and I have a nice POD patch, so it all sounds ok as well.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 25 2009, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 25 2009, 04:08 PM) *
The Luke thingy is going very well! I'm now at bar 7, the bended tapping lick. It'll take some time but I can get that lick down, the one behind that one is a bit harder tongue.gif My finger hurts from all the bending, because I cut the nail to short yesterday xD. I really really dig this lesson, and I have a nice POD patch, so it all sounds ok as well.

Awesome Kaz! I can't wait to see how you do with the run in bar 8. If you have problems with it you know I'm gonna make you bust out the "KAZ-BOX right? laugh.gif laugh.gif Just post whatever you have done on Saturday or sometime this weekend. smile.gif BTW Kaz, is there any techniques you want to focus on? If so let me know and we'll look into a lesson on that.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 26 2009, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 25 2009, 07:19 PM) *
Awesome Kaz! I can't wait to see how you do with the run in bar 8. If you have problems with it you know I'm gonna make you bust out the "KAZ-BOX right? laugh.gif laugh.gif Just post whatever you have done on Saturday or sometime this weekend. smile.gif BTW Kaz, is there any techniques you want to focus on? If so let me know and we'll look into a lesson on that.

Hmm.. not sure.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 26 2009, 03:26 PM) *
Hmm.. not sure.

No problem dude, there are plenty of techniques in the Luke lesson lets just focus on that. smile.gif I'll post a little later about that.

DUDE...Remember in an earlier post how you said you misplaced your Canon video? I had some extra time last night so I figured I'm gonna help the Kazinator out and see if I can't help him find that bad boy!!!

GUESS WHAT?...I got on youtube and found two videos of Muris's Canon. One obviously wasn't you because I could tell from the glasses that it was the Bosnian Beast himself playing his own awesome creation!! BUT...Look what else I found..

TA DA....



Now... I'm not sure if that was you because the dude was a little shy and didn't show his face, but....His fingers to me look distinctly DUTCH!!!

Post back Kazarama and let me know if this is the video you lost!! If it is you can take your Kaz-Box and smash it to smithereens because I stand corrected...Your timing IS just fine. I await your response!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 26 2009, 04:42 PM

Thanks!!! I was really happy with that take, to bad I lost it. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks,!!!! And those fingers are indeed very Dutch.

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 26 2009, 04:42 PM) *
Thanks!!! I was really happy with that take, to bad I lost it. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks, Thanks,!!!! And those fingers are indeed very Dutch.

You are welcome dude!! When I saw the video I figured "I only know two Dutch guys with chops like that". One is Marcel Coenen but I would have been able to see the hair aaaannnnddd....No pink Guitar!!! laugh.gif The only other Dutch dude I knew that could pull that off was the Kazmeister. Again, GOOD JOB DUDE!! laugh.gif

Alright Kazareeno,
Since we solved the mystery of the lost Canon video we can get back to work now on the Luke solo.

So you said you got up through bar 7 yesterday. Keep working on that. smile.gif Let's peek ahead to Bars 8 & 9 though. These two bars have what looks to me to be some shred type playing. This is the point where one of two things is gonna happen:

A) Your technique is up to the challenge and you are gonna post a video of you playing that run flawlessly when you do your first progress post.

OR

B)Your technique is not at the point you can play that and you either just skip that run and move on OR...you gotta figure out how you are gonna pratice that part so you can play it eventually.

Since I am an optimist I am thinking you are gonna post a video of yourself playing it flawlessly BUT...I'm also a boy scout who was taught to "be prepared".

So I want you to think as a boy scout Kaz and assume that when you get to bars 8 & 9 that scenario 'B' happens. With that in mind tell me what the plan of attack is for that lick Kazmandu. smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 26 2009, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 26 2009, 05:38 PM) *
You are welcome dude!! When I saw the video I figured "I only know two Dutch guys with chops like that". One is Marcel Coenen but I would have been able to see the hair aaaannnnddd....No pink Guitar!!! laugh.gif The only other Dutch dude I knew that could pull that off was the Kazmeister. Again, GOOD JOB DUDE!! laugh.gif

Alright Kazareeno,
Since we solved the mystery of the lost Canon video we can get back to work now on the Luke solo.

So you said you got up through bar 7 yesterday. Keep working on that. smile.gif Let's peek ahead to Bars 8 & 9 though. These two bars have what looks to me to be some shred type playing. This is the point where one of two things is gonna happen:

A) Your technique is up to the challenge and you are gonna post a video of you playing that run flawlessly when you do your first progress post.

OR

B)Your technique is not at the point you can play that and you either just skip that run and move on OR...you gotta figure out how you are gonna pratice that part so you can play it eventually.

Since I am an optimist I am thinking you are gonna post a video of yourself playing it flawlessly BUT...I'm also a boy scout who was taught to "be prepared".

So I want you to think as a boy scout Kaz and assume that when you get to bars 8 & 9 that scenario 'B' happens. With that in mind tell me what the plan of attack is for that lick Kazmandu. smile.gif smile.gif


YES SIR! I'll practice it on a lower BPM using my Metronome, which I LOOOOOVEE. Starting out slow, and graduatly increasing the BPM's

Posted by: jer Feb 26 2009, 06:36 PM

They arent BPMs.

They are "Kaz-Units"

smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 26 2009, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 26 2009, 06:36 PM) *
They arent BPMs.

They are "Kaz-Units"

smile.gif

Haha, great joke....

BTW, they're not even BPM's... it's not beats per minute's

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Feb 26 2009, 06:36 PM) *
They arent BPMs.

They are "Kaz-Units"

smile.gif

Heretofore referred to as KU's. laugh.gif

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 26 2009, 06:35 PM) *
YES SIR! I'll practice it on a lower BPM using my Metronome, which I LOOOOOVEE. Starting out slow, and graduatly increasing the BPM's

GOOD ANSWER KAZMANIAN DEVIL!! Now, can you tell me how those faster runs in bars 8 & 9 are phrased for the most part? Are they 8th notes, 16th notes...? Once you tell me what the main phrasing is could you tell me how many notes per beat that equals aaaannnddd... How many KU's are you gonna set your KAZ-BOX at to start conquering that beast? smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 26 2009, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 26 2009, 06:45 PM) *
Heretofore referred to as KU's. laugh.gif


GOOD ANSWER KAZMANIAN DEVIL!! Now, can you tell me how those faster runs in bars 8 & 9 are phrased for the most part? Are they 8th notes, 16th notes...? Once you tell me what the main phrasing is could you tell me how many notes per beat that equals aaaannnddd... How many KU's are you gonna set your KAZ-BOX at to start conquering that beast? smile.gif

Well they are 16th notes at least. After peaking I found out that they are mainly 32th notes, combined with some triplets, I gues also 32th triplets. After some counting I found out that indeed, bar 8 contains 32 32th notes (the first quarter notes is the same length as 8 32th notes)

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 26 2009, 06:52 PM) *
Well they are 16th notes at least. After peaking I found out that they are mainly 32th notes, combined with some triplets, I gues also 32th triplets. After some counting I found out that indeed, bar 8 contains 32 32th notes (the first quarter notes is the same length as 8 32th notes)

Good work dude!! Now for the million dollar question... can you play those 32nd notes CLEANLY at the tempo written? If not what tempo CAN you play them at? smile.gif



Posted by: lcsdds Feb 26 2009, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 25 2009, 02:58 PM) *
Here you go tongue.gif Can u explain (or link to an explanation) about the triads? I know how to build them, but what are these? Are these just ways of playing an Amaj chord, or are we gonna use them for arpeggios? And about the shredding, I think some fast licks/runs are great!

80 BPM

Good job on the scales and triads KazMan. You are off the hook for this week's assingment smile.gif Now just get cracking on the Luke lesson. If you need help on a plan of attack on Bars 8 & 9 let me know!! smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 27 2009, 03:52 PM

I did some nasty work today.. six hours of cliping little plastic clips into an iron wire to keep a big bunch of trees grow straight... It earns me some money tongue.gif But now my hands are a bit painful, so I think I can get some practice on Luke's lesson, but not a lot tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 27 2009, 03:52 PM) *
I did some nasty work today.. six hours of cliping little plastic clips into an iron wire to keep a big bunch of trees grow straight... It earns me some money tongue.gif But now my hands are a bit painful, so I think I can get some practice on Luke's lesson, but not a lot tongue.gif


No problem Kazman. smile.gif I am getting ready to do an assignment for next week Kaz and I need your help. Can you tell what notes are found in the Scale of A major? Thanks buddy. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 27 2009, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 27 2009, 04:10 PM) *
No problem Kazman. smile.gif I am getting ready to do an assignment for next week Kaz and I need your help. Can you tell what notes are found in the Scale of A major? Thanks buddy. smile.gif

2 2 1 2 2 2 1, straight from my head tongue.gif so thats...
A B C# D E F# G# A

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 27 2009, 05:21 PM) *
2 2 1 2 2 2 1, straight from my head tongue.gif so thats...
A B C# D E F# G# A

Good Job Kazmandu!! You are correct. smile.gif Check the main thread over the next couple of days as I am going to elaborate on some things and give you guys a fun assingment. Thanks dude. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 27 2009, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 27 2009, 05:23 PM) *
Good Job Kazmandu!! You are correct. smile.gif Check the main thread over the next couple of days as I am going to elaborate on some things and give you guys a fun assingment. Thanks dude. smile.gif

I find it quite hard to play the Luke run with metronome only... So atm I'm practicing with GP5 on 75 %. It's very hard to time on a 50 BPM beat tongue.gif 32th notes are hard to "count".

EDIT: I tried for about 15 minutes.. I think the slide in the first run causes troubles.. i end on the same notes, but the one between the A and high E string are a it out of synd with the original...


Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 27 2009, 06:59 PM) *
I find it quite hard to play the Luke run with metronome only... So atm I'm practicing with GP5 on 75 %. It's very hard to time on a 50 BPM beat tongue.gif 32th notes are hard to "count".

EDIT: I tried for about 15 minutes.. I think the slide in the first run causes troubles.. i end on the same notes, but the one between the A and high E string are a it out of synd with the original...

Try this Kaz. Take Bars 8 & 9 and make it 4 bars by doubling the note values. Now your 32nd notes just becme 16th notes. Practice the RUN ONLY WITH THE KAZ-BOX phrased as 16th notes until you can play it at 130 bpm. Then you can drop the the KU's back down to 65 and work on phrasing them as 32nd notes. Should do the trick wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 27 2009, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 27 2009, 07:52 PM) *
Try this Kaz. Take Bars 8 & 9 and make it 4 bars by doubling the note values. Now your 32nd notes just becme 16th notes. Practice the RUN ONLY WITH THE KAZ-BOX phrased as 16th notes until you can play it at 130 bpm. Then you can drop the the KU's back down to 65 and work on phrasing them as 32nd notes. Should do the trick wink.gif

I have the idea I make a mistake in the run.. but I checked the tab a hundred times tongue.gif However, when I listen to muris playing it slowly, the first slide is kinda short. he doesn't let the note on the A string, 17th fret, ring. I included a little attachment of the part... that can't be rigth tongue.gif BTW, the crackling in the sound.. sorry tongue.gif my GX does that... really anoying wink.gif

UPDATE: I put the BPM very low in GP5, and when I play along, playing the notes in the slide also as 32th notes, I end two notes later then the gp5...AAAH FOUND IT! the notes in the slides are... 64th notes tongue.gif to make things easier :S

UPDATE 2: pls take a look.. I can't find a way of playing this tongue.gif the slide makes things very weird... I found that a 100 BPM speed is very doable, but because I fitted in extra notes, I had to rush!

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 27 2009, 08:00 PM) *
I have the idea I make a mistake in the run.. but I checked the tab a hundred times tongue.gif However, when I listen to muris playing it slowly, the first slide is kinda short. he doesn't let the note on the A string, 17th fret, ring. I included a little attachment of the part... that can't be rigth tongue.gif BTW, the crackling in the sound.. sorry tongue.gif my GX does that... really anoying wink.gif

UPDATE: I put the BPM very low in GP5, and when I play along, playing the notes in the slide also as 32th notes, I end two notes later then the gp5...AAAH FOUND IT! the notes in the slides are... 64th notes tongue.gif to make things easier :S

UPDATE 2: pls take a look.. I can't find a way of playing this tongue.gif the slide makes things very weird... I found that a 100 BPM speed is very doable, but because I fitted in extra notes, I had to rush!



Check it out Kazmeister!! This is exactly how it should be phrased. In the picture I have it tabbed out the way Muris wrote it in 32nd and 64th notes and then I rewrote it using 8th and 16th notes. The only difference between the two is the phrase I wrote happens in 4 beats and Muris's happens in 1. They sound EXACTLY alike, only different tempos. Take your Kaz-Box and play it the way I wrote it using 8th and 16th notes, you should be able to count that easily. smile.gif Once you have that phrase down then all you have to do is play that same phrase in 1 beat instead of four. Should be simple for a dude with good timing like you. laugh.gif laugh.gif Let me know if that makes sense.

 

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 27 2009, 10:23 PM

The ones with the little line above/under them are 16th rigth?

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 27 2009, 11:43 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 27 2009, 10:23 PM) *
The ones with the little line above/under them are 16th rigth?

Correct Kaz. You count 16th notes 1-e-and-ah-2-e-and-ah. So to count the bar the way I have written it, using your Kaz-Box of course biggrin.gif , it would sound like this:

1-and-2-and-3-e-and-4-and.

So think of all of those beats as 16th notes Kaz BUT only play on the part that I have made bold:

1-e-and-ah-2-e-and-ah-3-e-and-ah-4-e-and-ah

USE THE KAZ-BOX DUDE!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 12:48 AM

KazMan,
I got an assignment for ya buddy. We are gonna help you learn to phrase that cool Lukather lick. Download the GP file I have attatched and check it out. I have tabbed out the lick you are having problems phrasing 3 different ways.

1) 32nd and 64th notes happening in 1 beat. This is how is should be played

2) 16th and 32nd notes happening in 2 beats.

3) 8th and 16th notes happening in 4 beats.

It looks like the picture below. Your assignment for the next week is to learn to play this exact same phrase WITH JUST YOU AND THE KAZ-BOX at the tempos written in the tab and upload an mp3 of you doing it. Let me know if you have any questions about it. Thanks buddy!! smile.gif

 

 Kaz__s_Kaz_Box_Excercises.gp5 ( 1.85K ) : 88
 

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 12:29 PM

Hi Kaz,
I am wanting to solo over an A mixolydian chord progression. From reading the posts I did in the main thread can you answer the following questions please?

1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this?


Use the chart I gave you to figure these out. Thanks KazMandu. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Feb 28 2009, 04:37 PM

I'm gonna read the chords on scales thing today/tomorw, and then I'll try to do you assignment in the week that follows. i mean the assignment in your main thread tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Feb 28 2009, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Feb 28 2009, 04:37 PM) *
I'm gonna read the chords on scales thing today/tomorw, and then I'll try to do you assignment in the week that follows. i mean the assignment in your main thread tongue.gif

Cool Kaz, do what you can. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 1 2009, 01:32 PM

I have a little question on the Chords for Scales thing. i thing I understand it untill Andrew starts about the modes, because I still have to read that part. But i have a little question on the part before that. Andrew states that you can make several lists of chords in Cmaj (for example) I can make a list of the 'standard' triads, C Dm Em F G Am Bdim. Then Andrew adds some random 7th notes to the chords and makes a new list. Am I right when I say that C, Dm, Em, F , Am and Bdim give the roots and basic structure of all the right chords, and then if you want to have a more bluesy feel, you can add some 7th notes, or if you want a bit of an exclusive sound you add 6th. I mean, are you just free to use them?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 1 2009, 01:32 PM) *
I have a little question on the Chords for Scales thing. i thing I understand it untill Andrew starts about the modes, because I still have to read that part. But i have a little question on the part before that. Andrew states that you can make several lists of chords in Cmaj (for example) I can make a list of the 'standard' triads, C Dm Em F G Am Bdim. Then Andrew adds some random 7th notes to the chords and makes a new list. Am I right when I say that C, Dm, Em, F , Am and Bdim give the roots and basic structure of all the right chords, and then if you want to have a more bluesy feel, you can add some 7th notes, or if you want a bit of an exclusive sound you add 6th. I mean, are you just free to use them?

Good Job Kazmandu!! Triads are the basic building blocks of all chords. When we add other notes or "extend" them to get different sounds we call them "extended chords". So Cmaj7 is a Cmaj triad and we extend it by adding the major 7th to it, B in this case.

How is the KAZ-BOX work coming? or is it? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 1 2009, 01:57 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Feb 28 2009, 12:29 PM) *
Hi Kaz,
I am wanting to solo over an A mixolydian chord progression. From reading the posts I did in the main thread can you answer the following questions please?

1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this?


Use the chart I gave you to figure these out. Thanks KazMandu. smile.gif


1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?It's Major

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options? Ionian, because it's major right?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?A mixolydian = D Ionian/major so D Major scale and the Amixolydian. Or are those the same?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this? I think that should be Amaj Pentatonic/F#min

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 1 2009, 01:57 PM) *
1) Is this a Major or Minor mode?It's Major

2) What is it's scale of comparison to figure out my chord options? Ionian, because it's major right?

3) What are my diatonic scale options for soloing over this?A mixolydian = D Ionian/major so D Major scale and the Amixolydian. Or are those the same?

4) What are my pentatonic scale options for soloing over this? I think that should be Amaj Pentatonic/F#min

Good Job Kazareeno!!! You got it 100%! Now get back to work with the Kaz-Box so you can breeze through that Luke 32nd and 64th note run!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 1 2009, 07:42 PM

So I think I got the exercise tongue.gif It's three files, cause if I change BPM in Reaper, al the click sources change... I started with the 80 BPM and then downwards. G'd luck with em tongue.gif

sorry for the guitar being extremly out of tune wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 1 2009, 08:23 PM

YAY! I just played along with muris on the full 65 BPM. Before the run, there's this little pullof thingy. He plays: B string: 15 - 18p17p16p15, where he hangs a bit longer on the 18th fret. Now I hung a lot longer on that fret, that's why I couldn't get the run fast enough, now I can almost play along!

UPDATE:I'm so happy tongue.gif I finally got it!!! Here's the 50 BPM Version (I know the title says 80.. that's a bit optimistic xD)

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 1 2009, 07:42 PM) *
So I think I got the exercise tongue.gif It's three files, cause if I change BPM in Reaper, al the click sources change... I started with the 80 BPM and then downwards. G'd luck with em tongue.gif

sorry for the guitar being extremly out of tune wink.gif

I'm impressed Kazman!! Now all you have to do is work them up to speed. Play it in the 16th and 32nd note phrasing with the Kaz-Box at a few different speeds and then slowly over time work it up to the tempo of the song and then switch it to the 32nd and 64th note phrasing. Good job on the 20 bpm phrasing, that is not easy to do when the tempo is so slow but you nailed it. ROCK THE KAZ-BOX!! smile.gif \m/\m/

If you want more detail on how I would work it up to speed let me know Kaz!! smile.gif

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 1 2009, 08:23 PM) *
YAY! I just played along with muris on the full 65 BPM. Before the run, there's this little pullof thingy. He plays: B string: 15 - 18p17p16p15, where he hangs a bit longer on the 18th fret. Now I hung a lot longer on that fret, that's why I couldn't get the run fast enough, now I can almost play along!

UPDATE:I'm so happy tongue.gif I finally got it!!! Here's the 50 BPM Version (I know the title says 80.. that's a bit optimistic xD)

Sounded good Kaz!! Tighten up the part I put in the picture and and clean up the tapping lick and you are good to go. Use the Kaz-Box to do this so it sounds tight and in time with the track. If you need my help figuring out how to phrase it with the Kaz-Box let me know.

Good job on your assingment this week. You really surprised me!! smile.gif smile.gif

 

Posted by: jer Mar 1 2009, 09:22 PM

Sounding good Kaz!

Whats with the crackling on your audio file? Do you have any idea what is causing that?


Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 09:30 PM

Kazmandu what up?

So some dude called me last night claiming to be a guitar virtuoso from the Netherlands...said his name was Marcel Coenen or something like that....Never heard of him myself!! rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

He told me that hew saw the youtube video of you playing Muris's Canon in D on my youtube page and that even though he couldn't see your face he WAS POSITIVE that whoever the GUITAR GOD playing that tune was was Dutch....Said he could tell from the fingers!! tongue.gif

Anyways, he wanted to know if I could get in touch with you and see if you would help him finish a song. He said that he is trying to come up with a song in the key of "A Lydian" and that he was stumped as to how to get it to sound Lydian. He said so far that this was his chord progression:

A major...

He wanted you to reccomend him some chords he could use so that everybody in audience knew that the song was in A Lydian and NOT A Ionian. He also wondered if you could tell him why the triads/chords you reccomend he try in his masterpiece will make the progression sound Lydian and not Ionian.

Get back to me on this if you can KAZ so I can call the dude back. He says he's waiting in the studio and apparently studio time is expensive in the Netherlands. laugh.gif tongue.gif

Thanks Kaz!!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 1 2009, 11:13 PM

Kaz check out this thread:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=25229&pid=347187&st=0&#entry347187

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 2 2009, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (jer @ Mar 1 2009, 09:22 PM) *
Sounding good Kaz!

Whats with the crackling on your audio file? Do you have any idea what is causing that?

It's crazy anoying tongue.gif Ivan mentioned he had the same, when he made the buffer to small, but I made it a bit bigger, no result. A bit more bigger.. etc etc.. until it was huge and still the crackle tongue.gif It's a bit less when I record and play guitar, but the backintrack was recorded withouth any guitars through POD farm.

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 1 2009, 09:30 PM) *
Kazmandu what up?

So some dude called me last night claiming to be a guitar virtuoso from the Netherlands...said his name was Marcel Coenen or something like that....Never heard of him myself!! rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

He told me that hew saw the youtube video of you playing Muris's Canon in D on my youtube page and that even though he couldn't see your face he WAS POSITIVE that whoever the GUITAR GOD playing that tune was was Dutch....Said he could tell from the fingers!! tongue.gif

EDIT: There's still something not clear to me.. Whate ARE the modes? I mean, they're not like box of a scale like in the pentatonic. Because Muris plays his mixolydian solo all over the board. And also, if for instance Amajor scale had several boxes, including the mixolydian, then the mixolydian should have the same notes as the ionian.. so what are they tongue.gif

Anyways, he wanted to know if I could get in touch with you and see if you would help him finish a song. He said that he is trying to come up with a song in the key of "A Lydian" and that he was stumped as to how to get it to sound Lydian. He said so far that this was his chord progression:

A major...

He wanted you to reccomend him some chords he could use so that everybody in audience knew that the song was in A Lydian and NOT A Ionian. He also wondered if you could tell him why the triads/chords you reccomend he try in his masterpiece will make the progression sound Lydian and not Ionian.

Get back to me on this if you can KAZ so I can call the dude back. He says he's waiting in the studio and apparently studio time is expensive in the Netherlands. laugh.gif tongue.gif

Thanks Kaz!!


I think it's time to call him back tongue.gif

The chord progression should be something like: A, A, B, D#dim, Gm, Gm

It's going to be a masterpiece because... Amaj, is in Ionian and in lydian scale but... the rest is only in the lydian scale so not in the ionian one!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 2 2009, 04:56 PM) *
It's crazy anoying tongue.gif Ivan mentioned he had the same, when he made the buffer to small, but I made it a bit bigger, no result. A bit more bigger.. etc etc.. until it was huge and still the crackle tongue.gif It's a bit less when I record and play guitar, but the backintrack was recorded withouth any guitars through POD farm.



I think it's time to call him back tongue.gif

The chord progression should be something like: A, A, B, D#dim, Gm, Gm

It's going to be a masterpiece because... Amaj, is in Ionian and in lydian scale but... the rest is only in the lydian scale so not in the ionian one!

Good Job Kaz!!! I'll call him today... laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 2 2009, 07:20 PM

Question: I'm rather confused, what ARE the modes? I know the boxes from pentatonics.. but modes aren't boxes right? otherwise how can muris shred using mixolydian mode over his whole board?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 2 2009, 07:31 PM

Modes are a different way of using the Major and Minor scales. Like D lydian for instance. Uses the exact same box shapes as A Ionian. What makes it sound different it the Chord progression you are playing over. So think of D lydian as using A Ionian in a different Mode of operation. Modes mean nothing without chords to play over. wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 2 2009, 08:01 PM

Hey man, I'm in a hurry, but here's a 50 bPM try on the second run.. it's far from perfect, it's just to show you some progress tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 05:58 AM

Hi Kaz,
Hey I had an idea to get you guys working on the same lesson. Jer, Dan and Marek are doing Muris's Lydian serial and I thought Outlaw, me and you would do the Phrygian. Are you up for it? You can still work on the luke lesson just alternate days. I practice this way all the time. Good way to get some variety in your practicing. Let me know and I'll send you the Phrygian beginner tab with some notations made by me on it. Thanks KazMan!! smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 3 2009, 07:37 AM

Well.. It's not to hard wink.gif I'll do it tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 3 2009, 07:37 AM) *
Well.. It's not to hard wink.gif I'll do it tongue.gif

Thanks KazMan!! I'll get you the tab I want you to work off of today. I'm gonna start a thread for this lesson so you, Outlaw and I can post our takes and any questions we might have about the lesson. wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 3 2009, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 2 2009, 07:31 PM) *
Modes are a different way of using the Major and Minor scales. Like D lydian for instance. Uses the exact same box shapes as A Ionian. What makes it sound different it the Chord progression you are playing over. So think of D lydian as using A Ionian in a different Mode of operation. Modes mean nothing without chords to play over. wink.gif

But then.. what's the use of this xD? Why can't we just use A Ionian over a different bt... Or do I have to see this like Standard Major sclae, standard minor scale, Lydian mode, mixolydian mode, phrygian mode.. etc. like different modes? And there's a nother weird thing.. in the gp5 you gave, we have to learn the Amaj scale, but you can box 1 Ionian and box 2 Lydian (not sure) why is that?they should have the same notes in it....Or is that second box D lydian?? sorry tongue.gif

UPDATE: Ok, just read some Andrew lessons.... I think I got it, not sure though:
We have the Major scale (Ionian mode) and varieties are the other modes. If we want to create the second mode (Dorian right?) we can play the first box of major scale, and ply the note after the root, which is a second degree. That note will be the root and we can play the rest of our Ionian box, but with this root it's actualy a Dorian mode. We can also go to this second note (degree) and use that as the root for the SECOND Ionian box, this gives us the Dorian modea again, but now in it's own pattern. So... that's why the second Ionian box is called Dorian mode tongue.gif is that right? But still, in that second box of the Ionian scale, the root is somewhere else then in the Dorian mode, rigth? Otherwise it would have the same intervals, making it Ionian, not Dorian.

Also the only "real" difference in the modes and the Ionian mode is the possition of the intervals right? So instead of TTSTTTS (2212221) it might become TSTTTST (2122212), so the formula for Minor scale would be...TSTTSTT (212122)...... WHICH is correct xD. I think I start to get this a bit ;P

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 3 2009, 03:53 PM) *
But then.. what's the use of this xD? Why can't we just use A Ionian over a different bt... Or do I have to see this like Standard Major sclae, standard minor scale, Lydian mode, mixolydian mode, phrygian mode.. etc. like different modes? And there's a nother weird thing.. in the gp5 you gave, we have to learn the Amaj scale, but you can box 1 Ionian and box 2 Lydian (not sure) why is that?they should have the same notes in it....Or is that second box D lydian?? sorry tongue.gif

UPDATE: Ok, just read some Andrew lessons.... I think I got it, not sure though:
We have the Major scale (Ionian mode) and varieties are the other modes. If we want to create the second mode (Dorian right?) we can play the first box of major scale, and ply the note after the root, which is a second degree. That note will be the root and we can play the rest of our Ionian box, but with this root it's actualy a Dorian mode. We can also go to this second note (degree) and use that as the root for the SECOND Ionian box, this gives us the Dorian modea again, but now in it's own pattern. So... that's why the second Ionian box is called Dorian mode tongue.gif is that right? But still, in that second box of the Ionian scale, the root is somewhere else then in the Dorian mode, rigth? Otherwise it would have the same intervals, making it Ionian, not Dorian.

Also the only "real" difference in the modes and the Ionian mode is the possition of the intervals right? So instead of TTSTTTS (2212221) it might become TSTTTST (2122212), so the formula for Minor scale would be...TSTTSTT (212122)...... WHICH is correct xD. I think I start to get this a bit ;P



You got it Kaz. Remember that the Dorian mode doesn't become the Dorian mode until you play that mode over A DORIAN CHORD PROGRESSION. If you play any of those boxes without a chord progression you can call it whatever you want.

In the tab... the reason I labeled the boxes Dorian, Phrygian etc., is this:

The Dorian pattern has its starting note on the Low E from the Dorian root in the scale. In the case of the Tab this is "B". Same is true for all the other patterns/boxes.

Secondly, I used the names for reference purposes. So if I say...."Kaz play me the G Dorian Box" you will know what I am talking about.

I could just as easily called them "A major position 1, 2, 3 etc,..

Just because you play the Dorian PATTERN doesn't mean you played the Dorian mode. THE CHORDS BEING SOLOED OVER DETERMINE THE MODE BEING USED.

That is why we are spending so much time trying to figure out how to make the lydian mode sound lydian and not ionian by figuring out what triads/chords are found in lydian and not ionian and focusing on those.

Get it????

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 3 2009, 06:52 PM

yep tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 3 2009, 06:52 PM) *
yep tongue.gif

\m/\m/ smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 3 2009, 08:52 PM

A week ago I thought this would be... not possible tongue.gif or inpossible... sorry wink.gif

But.. Tadaaa... Luke style, 65 BPM, with some little errors. I'll keep practice this lesson because I love it, and because I need to improve my bending and accuracy, but I think it still sounds ok. And Monte, I really want to thank you, because one way or another, you got me to this higher level of soloing in a week xD I did lvl4 lessons, few lvl5.. and now lvl6 tongue.gif

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Mar 3 2009, 09:43 PM

Just thought I'd pop in and say great job on the Luke lesson Kaz, and I am loving all this beautiful theory flowing backwards and forwards - great job Monty!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 3 2009, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Mar 3 2009, 09:43 PM) *
Just thought I'd pop in and say great job on the Luke lesson Kaz, and I am loving all this beautiful theory flowing backwards and forwards - great job Monty!


Thanks Andrew, we are doing our best!! smile.gif


QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 3 2009, 08:52 PM) *
A week ago I thought this would be... not possible tongue.gif or inpossible... sorry wink.gif

But.. Tadaaa... Luke style, 65 BPM, with some little errors. I'll keep practice this lesson because I love it, and because I need to improve my bending and accuracy, but I think it still sounds ok. And Monte, I really want to thank you, because one way or another, you got me to this higher level of soloing in a week xD I did lvl4 lessons, few lvl5.. and now lvl6 tongue.gif

Awesome Kaz!! I liked it A LOT. But...I'm gonna make you get the Kaz-Box out and tighten/polish up those faster runs. You can do it man!! That was and AWESOME TAKE. Now take it to an even higher level!! smile.gif wink.gif

Good job dude!! \m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 3 2009, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 3 2009, 10:12 PM) *
Thanks Andrew, we are doing our best!! smile.gif



Awesome Kaz!! I liked it A LOT. But...I'm gonna make you get the Kaz-Box out and tighten/polish up those faster runs. You can do it man!! That was and AWESOME TAKE. Now take it to an even higher level!! smile.gif wink.gif

Good job dude!! \m/\m/

Thanks, great tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 4 2009, 04:37 PM

Little question, the second run in the Luke lesson includes a little pull-of part (legato), but the part afterwards is done with AP. Can I do this with Legato as well, or do I have to stick to the lesson as Muris plays it? Legato is easier xD.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 4 2009, 04:37 PM) *
Little question, the second run in the Luke lesson includes a little pull-of part (legato), but the part afterwards is done with AP. Can I do this with Legato as well, or do I have to stick to the lesson as Muris plays it? Legato is easier xD.

Totally up to you Kaz. I do this all the time, although I am trying now to develop my AP so that I don't have to, but until then go ahead. Just work on your AP as well so you can eventually play it as written. It will change the sound of it tho. smile.gif

Alright Kazman, exam time.


So here is kind of like your final exam on all the stuff we have been working on. Let's look at our "D Lydian" chord progression for our collab this month:

D-D-E-E

So take each chord and tell me the following:

Diatonic scale options for soloing.


Pentatonic scale options for soloing.


Triad options for soloing.

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Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 4 2009, 07:17 PM

D: Diatonic: for a lydian feel.. I'd say either D Lydian or A Ionian.
for pentatonic scales... I'd say Dmaj is always right. Bmin should work aswell, just as B blues.
And triads.. Well all Dmaj triads would work here! (this goes to easy... am I forgetting somehting?)

E: Diatonic, if you want to just stay in key, you can still use D Lydian or A Ionian, but if you want to really feel the Emaj sound, then you should go for E Lydian, or B Ionian.
As for pentatonics, again, you could just use the Dmaj/Bmin pentatonic, but to go really into the Emaj feel, you should use an Emaj pentatonic scale, or the C#min pentatonic/blues scale. As for triads... Use the A maj triads you gave us and push them up exactly 7 frets to get the Emaj triads. you can use them as well.

I believe I'm forgetting something.. Let's peek at some other threads tongue.gif
After peeking in Jer's thread, I believe he's right with the triads, so you can alos use the Bmin triad (for E) or the Bmin triad.(for the D chord). I think Jer has some prety complicated lists of options.. but I think mine will do it tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 4 2009, 07:17 PM) *
D: Diatonic: for a lydian feel.. I'd say either D Lydian or A Ionian.
for pentatonic scales... I'd say Dmaj is always right. Bmin should work aswell, just as B blues.
And triads.. Well all Dmaj triads would work here! (this goes to easy... am I forgetting somehting?)

E: Diatonic, if you want to just stay in key, you can still use D Lydian or A Ionian, but if you want to really feel the Emaj sound, then you should go for E Lydian, or B Ionian.
As for pentatonics, again, you could just use the Dmaj/Bmin pentatonic, but to go really into the Emaj feel, you should use an Emaj pentatonic scale, or the C#min pentatonic/blues scale. As for triads... Use the A maj triads you gave us and push them up exactly 7 frets to get the Emaj triads. you can use them as well.

I believe I'm forgetting something.. Let's peek at some other threads tongue.gif
After peeking in Jer's thread, I believe he's right with the triads, so you can alos use the Bmin triad (for E) or the Bmin triad.(for the D chord). I think Jer has some prety complicated lists of options.. but I think mine will do it tongue.gif

Good job Kaz. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 4 2009, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 4 2009, 07:23 PM) *
Good job Kaz. smile.gif

Is it correct?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 4 2009, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 4 2009, 07:29 PM) *
Is it correct?

For the most part. Read my post in the "triad soloing thread" and the one I am gonna do for the Pentatonic thread as well.

Chime in if you are lost or let me know that you get what I am saying. smile.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 5 2009, 05:45 PM

KazMandu...what notes are found in a C minor triad? Thanks dude!! smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 6 2009, 03:22 PM

Minor = 1 3b 5, so C Eb G

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 6 2009, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 6 2009, 03:22 PM) *
Minor = 1 3b 5, so C Eb G

Good Job Kaz. I want you to take a look at this lick from the Phrygian lesson you are working on and see if you can't tell what Muris is doing here. So you don't go all Opeth.db on us.. tongue.gif ......I'm gonna give you a little hint. Look at the chord that the lick is being played over and see if there is a relationship between the notes being played and the lick. If you get stuck go to the Lydian thread and see how Jer broke down the Lydian Lick 5 for us. Thanks Kaz!! smile.gif

 

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 6 2009, 08:04 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 6 2009, 06:43 PM) *
Good Job Kaz. I want you to take a look at this lick from the Phrygian lesson you are working on and see if you can't tell what Muris is doing here. So you don't go all Opeth.db on us.. tongue.gif ......I'm gonna give you a little hint. Look at the chord that the lick is being played over and see if there is a relationship between the notes being played and the lick. If you get stuck go to the Lydian thread and see how Jer broke down the Lydian Lick 5 for us. Thanks Kaz!! smile.gif

if I can't tell?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 6 2009, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 6 2009, 08:04 PM) *
if I can't tell?

Post back here and I'll give you a hand.....OR....Your could ask Opeth.db to help......Check that....just post back here and i'll help ya!! tongue.gif tongue.gif I'll do the first one and you can do the second. Go check out Jer's post though, he did a really good job!!! smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 7 2009, 12:03 PM

Well... All these notes are in Cm pentatonic, all but the c#, which is the 14th fret B string.

UPDATE and that C# note sits in the C phrygian mode.

UPDATE: does this have to do with triads??

UPDATE: I keep updating tongue.gif so.. I read Jer's thread.... Cmin has C Eb G. The notes used in the first lick are G, Eb and then he goes down and up again using C and G again. So.. he uses only three notes, all in the chord tongue.gif Then gues what.. I predict he does the same in the second lick... Let's see:
He uses G, Eb and F for the first part. Now F is not in the Cm chord but....it is in C Aeolian (minro) and phrygian. then he uses C#, C and Bb. C is the key, so that's a logical chose. C# is a bit akward because... It's not in the phrygian C, but then I fooled myself, because Db is in there.. and that's the same xD Db is in phrygian mode, but not in the aeolian, so this note makes it very phrygian.
Bb fits in the Aeolian mode and in the Phrygian mode, so it just fits!

That's how it makes sense... Muris either knows his theory, or he just has a very very good ear...

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 7 2009, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 7 2009, 12:03 PM) *
Well... All these notes are in Cm pentatonic, all but the c#, which is the 14th fret B string.

UPDATE and that C# note sits in the C phrygian mode.

UPDATE: does this have to do with triads??

UPDATE: I keep updating tongue.gif so.. I read Jer's thread.... Cmin has C Eb G. The notes used in the first lick are G, Eb and then he goes down and up again using C and G again. So.. he uses only three notes, all in the chord tongue.gif Then gues what.. I predict he does the same in the second lick... Let's see:
He uses G, Eb and F for the first part. Now F is not in the Cm chord but....it is in C Aeolian (minro) and phrygian. then he uses C#, C and Bb. C is the key, so that's a logical chose. C# is a bit akward because... It's not in the phrygian C, but then I fooled myself, because Db is in there.. and that's the same xD Db is in phrygian mode, but not in the aeolian, so this note makes it very phrygian.
Bb fits in the Aeolian mode and in the Phrygian mode, so it just fits!

That's how it makes sense... Muris either knows his theory, or he just has a very very good ear...


Good job KAZ!!! My point in making you do this is to show you that triads can really help your solos sound melodic. Also, when you compose your own solos, like in our collab this month, I want you to be aware of what chords you are playing over and try to play something that will fit nicely.

Good job KazMan, you are really doing well in this MTP....I'm really impressed!! smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 7 2009, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 7 2009, 04:04 PM) *
Good job KAZ!!! My point in making you do this is to show you that triads can really help your solos sound melodic. Also, when you compose your own solos, like in our collab this month, I want you to be aware of what chords you are playing over and try to play something that will fit nicely.

Good job KazMan, you are really doing well in this MTP....I'm really impressed!! smile.gif

Thanks... cool.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 06:25 PM

So Kaz....Here is where I think we are with you:

Scales and triads:
Keep working on these. Use them as warm up excercised etc.

Kaz-box excercises:
1 down and 1 to go. Good job!!

Luke lesson:
I'd still like to see you clean up those couple of fast runs. Keep working on this.

Phrygian lesson:
Have you posted a take on this? If not try and do it ASAP. Is there any way you could do a video of this? would be nice to see your technique. smile.gif

Monthly solo:
Pick a backing track you would like to solo over. I want you to put the scales and triads you have learned to use. You could use either the phrygian or lydian backing by Muris or you could create your own. Let me know what you want to do here.


Overall Kaz I think you are doing extremely well. Good job!!

One thing I would like to see you do is get a regimented practice routine with regards to technique. If you are interested in this let me know. It doesn't have to be time consuming.....just consistent.

Good job Kaz...I think you could be really good if you work hard. You are young and that helps!! smile.gif

Let me know if you have any questions. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 9 2009, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 9 2009, 06:25 PM) *
Monthly solo:
Pick a backing track you would like to solo over. I want you to put the scales and triads you have learned to use. You could use either the phrygian or lydian backing by Muris or you could create your own. Let me know what you want to do here.

Don't I have to use the BT created by Jeff?

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Mar 9 2009, 08:01 PM

Nope.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 9 2009, 08:53 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 9 2009, 07:58 PM) *
Don't I have to use the BT created by Jeff?

You mean Jer? Nope....originally we were going to but we decided to let everyone decide for themselves. I just want you to solo over something. Backing track is up to you. Keep up KAZ!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 10 2009, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 9 2009, 08:53 PM) *
You mean Jer? Nope....originally we were going to but we decided to let everyone decide for themselves. I just want you to solo over something. Backing track is up to you. Keep up KAZ!!! tongue.gif laugh.gif

Ok, I'l find something with A Ionian as major scale tongue.gif That would make things a bit easier for me wink.gif



There's still something i don't get... example:
play over backingtrack in D maj. Then I think, let's give it a lydian sound, try D lydian! but then, when I search D lydian in my diatonic key chart, D lydian is compared to A Ionian... Does that mean I can play A Ionian over a Dmaj track??? I don't think so wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 03:27 PM) *
Ok, I'l find something with A Ionian as major scale tongue.gif That would make things a bit easier for me wink.gif



There's still something i don't get... example:
play over backingtrack in D maj. Then I think, let's give it a lydian sound, try D lydian! but then, when I search D lydian in my diatonic key chart, D lydian is compared to A Ionian... Does that mean I can play A Ionian over a Dmaj track??? I don't think so wink.gif

You should compare D Lydian to D Ionian to find the difference between the two. D lydian is the same as A Ionian though. You have to compare modes with the same tonal center....In this case D.......to find the difference between the two. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 10 2009, 06:20 PM

Sorry, I still hvae the same question. When I play in the key of Dmaj, should i use D Ionian and then check which other modes share the same notes, or should I use the mode with D, so D lydian, or D Dorian (they should be major, I get that tongue.gif ). If I'd use the D lydian on a Dmaj BT (D,D,E,E e.g.) then the comparitive major scale is A maj.. but Amaj on Dmaj key.. that sounds kinda weird to me.

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 06:20 PM) *
Sorry, I still hvae the same question. When I play in the key of Dmaj, should i use D Ionian and then check which other modes share the same notes, or should I use the mode with D, so D lydian, or D Dorian (they should be major, I get that tongue.gif ). If I'd use the D lydian on a Dmaj BT (D,D,E,E e.g.) then the comparitive major scale is A maj.. but Amaj on Dmaj key.. that sounds kinda weird to me.

Kaz...When you are trying to figure out what makes lydian...a major mode.....sound like lydian, you have to compare it to the Ionian scale. But....You have to make sure the roots are the same. You would compare D lydian to D major. You could play D Ionian over the Dmajor chord in this progression but if you play the D major/Ionian scale over the E Major chord it will sound weird because The D Ionian scale doesn't contain E Major...It contains E min...Only D lydian contains E major. The D Ionian and D mixolydian mode both contain E minor. Does that help?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 10 2009, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 10 2009, 07:02 PM) *
Kaz...When you are trying to figure out what makes lydian...a major mode.....sound like lydian, you have to compare it to the Ionian scale. But....You have to make sure the roots are the same. You would compare D lydian to D major. You could play D Ionian over the Dmajor chord in this progression but if you play the D major/Ionian scale over the E Major chord it will sound weird because The D Ionian scale doesn't contain E Major...It contains E min...Only D lydian contains E major. The D Ionian and D mixolydian mode both contain E minor. Does that help?

Not sure...

Something I don't get is that D lydian and D ionian aren't just a bit different, they're a lot different. I thought that over a Dmaj backing you can use al major modes with D as root.

So.. I have a Cmaj BT, for instance in Pedjas collab.
I can use C Ionian mode. What modes can I use??? Ionian mode only? If I check the chords, they only fit in the C Ionian mode. but then, ist it possible to use another mode on only one chord? for instance over the Amin7 chord?

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 10 2009, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 10 2009, 07:48 PM) *
Not sure...

Something I don't get is that D lydian and D ionian aren't just a bit different, they're a lot different. I thought that over a Dmaj backing you can use al major modes with D as root.

So.. I have a Cmaj BT, for instance in Pedjas collab.
I can use C Ionian mode. What modes can I use??? Ionian mode only? If I check the chords, they only fit in the C Ionian mode. but then, ist it possible to use another mode on only one chord? for instance over the Amin7 chord?

There is only one note difference between D Lydian and D Ionian....G#....That one note affects 3 chords though. So they are quite different that way.

You could do what you what you were talking about with Pedja's backing track. This is what jazz/fusion guys do....analyze what to play on a chord by chord basis instead of looking at the whole progression and trying to choose one scale that works for the whole thing.

Remeber though....Pedja's collab is only about chord tones. You can only play notes that are found in the chord you are playing over in the collab. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 14 2009, 12:26 PM

Hey Monte,

I joined David's Phrase lika King collab and... here's the result with diatonic boxes... I LOVE IT wink.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=14364

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 14 2009, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 14 2009, 12:26 PM) *
Hey Monte,

I joined David's Phrase lika King collab and... here's the result with diatonic boxes... I LOVE IT wink.gif

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=14364

VERY NICE KAZ!!! Is this the first time you have used your diatonic scales in a collab?.....Good work dude smile.gif ....you just added another tool to your toolbox....Now get to work on your triads so you can start throwing in some sweeps!!!!! laugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 14 2009, 11:12 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 14 2009, 02:13 PM) *
VERY NICE KAZ!!! Is this the first time you have used your diatonic scales in a collab?.....Good work dude smile.gif ....you just added another tool to your toolbox....Now get to work on your triads so you can start throwing in some sweeps!!!!! laugh.gif tongue.gif

Indeed wink.gif I did use some triads in here, it gave a cool sound... Maybe I'll try sweeping in Pedja's collab biggrin.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 22 2009, 10:22 AM

hey Monte, I'm busy with Always with you, always with me again (Satch) and also the Lukather style lesson. If I can get the second fast block down, I'm ready to record!

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 22 2009, 11:22 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 22 2009, 10:22 AM) *
hey Monte, I'm busy with Always with you, always with me again (Satch) and also the Lukather style lesson. If I can get the second fast block down, I'm ready to record!

Cool Kaz....Let me know if you need help with either one. Don't forget your friend the Kaz-Box....Should be helpful with both of these. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 23 2009, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Mar 22 2009, 11:22 AM) *
Cool Kaz....Let me know if you need help with either one. Don't forget your friend the Kaz-Box....Should be helpful with both of these. smile.gif

True tongue.gif Although I'm not sure whether I can get those Satch-Legato down wink.gif It's very fast, but I did think it was doable, for the little part I did....

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 24 2009, 12:54 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 23 2009, 04:00 PM) *
True tongue.gif Although I'm not sure whether I can get those Satch-Legato down wink.gif It's very fast, but I did think it was doable, for the little part I did....

You can do the fast legato part Kaz!!! Just whip out the Kaz box and get to work. There are basically 2 fast runs in that song. Everything else is just a matter of learning the phrasing. Let me know what you want to do next. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Mar 24 2009, 03:59 PM

Hmmm... I think the Satch thing will be kept as background piece.First I'd like to get the lukather down completely and then... I'm not sure :tongue.gif
Either: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/intermediate-rock-lesson/
or http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/rockin_time_tune/ (cool tongue.gif)
I'm also doing the 80s Glam Rock lesson by David

And well... I actualy like most solo's which are a bit melodic tongue.gif I think one of the best lessons online is the http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/mark-knopfler-style-lesson/ lesson..... But as I'm not good in fingerpicking and not good in lvl 7 lessons I think this'll have to whait.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/john-petrucci-style-melodic-solo/ this one to wink.gif

EDIT: I'm also gonna do http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/metal-gallop-technique2/

Posted by: lcsdds Mar 30 2009, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Mar 24 2009, 03:59 PM) *
Hmmm... I think the Satch thing will be kept as background piece.First I'd like to get the lukather down completely and then... I'm not sure :tongue.gif
Either: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/intermediate-rock-lesson/
or http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/rockin_time_tune/ (cool tongue.gif)
I'm also doing the 80s Glam Rock lesson by David

And well... I actualy like most solo's which are a bit melodic tongue.gif I think one of the best lessons online is the http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/mark-knopfler-style-lesson/ lesson..... But as I'm not good in fingerpicking and not good in lvl 7 lessons I think this'll have to whait.

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/john-petrucci-style-melodic-solo/ this one to wink.gif

EDIT: I'm also gonna do http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/rhythm-guitar/metal-gallop-technique2/


Tear into them Kaz....If you need any help you know how to get me. smile.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 01:00 AM

Hi Kaz...How is everything going? Need any help or do you have everything under control? smile.gif \m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 5 2009, 04:30 PM

ehm, I'm still busy with the Lukather one and the Rise against one. ATM I'm not realy playing more then half an hour per ady because It's great weather and i have some games tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 5 2009, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 5 2009, 04:30 PM) *
ehm, I'm still busy with the Lukather one and the Rise against one. ATM I'm not realy playing more then half an hour per ady because It's great weather and i have some games tongue.gif

Just keep working Kaz..guitar should be fun. Take advantage of the weather while you can. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 6 2009, 07:09 PM

Hey Monte I'm quite happy with a take I did on the lukather lesson. It had some errors, especial when starting out, but I thought overall it was quite good! I need to work on all little details, longer sustain, better vibrato, cleaner fast part and yes, I had a little screw up in the end, pls forgive me wink.gif

Thanks Monte, you brought me from lvl 4 to almost lvl 6 wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 6 2009, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 6 2009, 07:09 PM) *
Hey Monte I'm quite happy with a take I did on the lukather lesson. It had some errors, especial when starting out, but I thought overall it was quite good! I need to work on all little details, longer sustain, better vibrato, cleaner fast part and yes, I had a little screw up in the end, pls forgive me wink.gif

Thanks Monte, you brought me from lvl 4 to almost lvl 6 wink.gif

Sounds good Kaz...just needs a little more attention to details like you said. Keep up the good work. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 8 2009, 05:19 PM

Hey Monte, I wondered is http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/phrasing-and-dynamics/ a good lesson for me? I think I love the first part, but then it gets a bit to hard for me... I just wondered about your honest feedback, please tell me whether it might be to hard! Also, I'd love to write a solo with some existing song... Maybe use the lukather style backingtrack? I mean, I really dig that style wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 8 2009, 05:56 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 8 2009, 05:19 PM) *
Hey Monte, I wondered is http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/phrasing-and-dynamics/ a good lesson for me? I think I love the first part, but then it gets a bit to hard for me... I just wondered about your honest feedback, please tell me whether it might be to hard! Also, I'd love to write a solo with some existing song... Maybe use the lukather style backingtrack? I mean, I really dig that style wink.gif

No lesson is too hard Kaz....some just take longer to learn than others....if the playing here moves you then I say go for it. smile.gif

Why don't you do a solo over the existing Luke track. I want you to try and come up with a game plan first though. Tell me what scales and arpeggios you are gonna use etc. Break it down....This is a good idea for you. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 9 2009, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 8 2009, 06:56 PM) *
No lesson is too hard Kaz....some just take longer to learn than others....if the playing here moves you then I say go for it. smile.gif

Why don't you do a solo over the existing Luke track. I want you to try and come up with a game plan first though. Tell me what scales and arpeggios you are gonna use etc. Break it down....This is a good idea for you. smile.gif

First thing tomorow tongue.gif YES WE'RE BACK ONLINE biggrin.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 11 2009, 02:28 PM

Scale is Gminor, so G Aeolian (Bb Maj) would do tongue.gif For chords, it's:
I didn't plan on using some extra mode, so no different scales here. Ofcourse Gm penatonicscale!
Cm (minor 7th arpeggio)
Gm (minor arpeggio)
Eb (lots of Add9+sus2 stuff, but I'll stick to Ebmaj arpeggio)
F (major arpeggios)
Bb (major arpeggio, also some added notes)
Fm (this one is odd, because it's minor...., I'd say maybe this is a modulation? minor 7th arpeggios)
A (maj arpeggio)
D (major arpegio)
I'm not sure where the modulation is... becuase the info text says there is one.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 11 2009, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 11 2009, 02:28 PM) *
Scale is Gminor, so G Aeolian (Bb Maj) would do tongue.gif For chords, it's:
I didn't plan on using some extra mode, so no different scales here. Ofcourse Gm penatonicscale!
Cm (minor 7th arpeggio)
Gm (minor arpeggio)
Eb (lots of Add9+sus2 stuff, but I'll stick to Ebmaj arpeggio)
F (major arpeggios)
Bb (major arpeggio, also some added notes)
Fm (this one is odd, because it's minor...., I'd say maybe this is a modulation? minor 7th arpeggios)
A (maj arpeggio)
D (major arpegio)
I'm not sure where the modulation is... becuase the info text says there is one.

I'll check it out and get back to you later Kaz... smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 12 2009, 11:24 AM

I'm going to learn this: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/volume_controll_-_phrasing/

Souding like:

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 13 2009, 05:50 PM

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guitar/vibrato-lesson1/

Bookmarked wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 16 2009, 03:33 AM

Hi Kaz....Looks like you have everything under control. You did a good job on the Luke analysis....I'll be interested to hear your take over the backing.

Looks like the two lessons you are going to learn are going to be good as well. I saw you signed up for Emir's Satriani collab as well. Can't wait to hear your take....tear it up dude!!! smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 16 2009, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 16 2009, 04:33 AM) *
Hi Kaz....Looks like you have everything under control. You did a good job on the Luke analysis....I'll be interested to hear your take over the backing.

Looks like the two lessons you are going to learn are going to be good as well. I saw you signed up for Emir's Satriani collab as well. Can't wait to hear your take....tear it up dude!!! smile.gif

That BT is wicked tongue.gif I have a cool lick for the bridge part... but I can't find a cool ending, or addition, on that lick. I wanted to play a pedal lick, using the fifth fret on the B string (E) as my pedal note. Then I play something like this:
E-------8------7------5--------------------------------------------------
B---5------5------5------5---8-------------------------------------------
G--------------------------------------------------------------------------

If I do that exactly where the -G-Dorian starts, it's really cool tongue.gif Maybe choose the G as pedal not, just for the dorian feel? But after this lick, it's hard to come up with somehting nice.

The penta part (shifting Amin to Emin) will probably be question and awnser style. I just love the backing, on some backings (for instance Joe's Drop Rock) I have problems creating a line, but on this I can just improvise it if I wanted tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 17 2009, 07:39 PM

Hey Monte, this post contains my latest Lukather take. It has some patching done, but in total, this was played within two takes. So this is combined tongue.gif

The second run is kinda... not dirty, just not fluid tongue.gif I even used my Tremolo tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 19 2009, 11:09 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 17 2009, 07:39 PM) *
Hey Monte, this post contains my latest Lukather take. It has some patching done, but in total, this was played within two takes. So this is combined tongue.gif

The second run is kinda... not dirty, just not fluid tongue.gif I even used my Tremolo tongue.gif

Kaz.....I really like this take. Very nice tone and if you compare it to your original take on this it is VERY MUCH improved. I like it a lot Kaz. I think at this point it is just details....a little cleaner here and there.....tighter timing etc. Overall though, you should be very proud of this take. I'd love to see a video of this if you get a chance.

What collabs are you working on at the moment......any? How are they coming? Let me know if you need any help on any of them. Let me know if you need help on anything Kaz......keep working you are doing great. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 20 2009, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 20 2009, 12:09 AM) *
Kaz.....I really like this take. Very nice tone and if you compare it to your original take on this it is VERY MUCH improved. I like it a lot Kaz. I think at this point it is just details....a little cleaner here and there.....tighter timing etc. Overall though, you should be very proud of this take. I'd love to see a video of this if you get a chance.

What collabs are you working on at the moment......any? How are they coming? Let me know if you need any help on any of them. Let me know if you need help on anything Kaz......keep working you are doing great. smile.gif

Ehm, Satch, Double time and Ivan's blues collab tongue.gif Double time is probably going to be something like an improv, because it's not about crazy lines, just timing tongue.gif Satch, I only have a nice bridge part tongue.gif and for the verses I'm going to do some Q&A lines, Q in Am and then A in Em tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 20 2009, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 20 2009, 03:53 PM) *
Ehm, Satch, Double time and Ivan's blues collab tongue.gif Double time is probably going to be something like an improv, because it's not about crazy lines, just timing tongue.gif Satch, I only have a nice bridge part tongue.gif and for the verses I'm going to do some Q&A lines, Q in Am and then A in Em tongue.gif

You are a busy man Kaz.....sound like you have a good plan though. You can check out my Satch collab take in the thread. I used a little different approach than you. Check it out and let me know what you think....it still needs cleaned up a little. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 20 2009, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 20 2009, 05:03 PM) *
You are a busy man Kaz.....sound like you have a good plan though. You can check out my Satch collab take in the thread. I used a little different approach than you. Check it out and let me know what you think....it still needs cleaned up a little. smile.gif

Well, to be honest I liked the intro, but then you kinda have small intervals and you keep in the same area. then the tapping lick is very cool, it builds from low to high. But then you go back to the same notes. Then you drop a bit (that's good) and then your ending is cool with the artificial harmonics.

I think if you make the bridge part a bit different and put it somewhere else, it'd sound better and really stand out!

That was my honest harsh meaning. Doesn't mean it sucked, just some points ^^I believe it's beter to get some good critics then some "wow, great one monte!!". I'm not sure how others think of that, I know we Dutchies tend to be kinda direct!! So... you have cool idea, maybe do some editing. Actualy I had exactly the same on a lower lever in David's las collab. I had some nice licks, but it was all above 12th fret tongue.gif I should have started a bit lower... Here's what david told me:

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 20 2009, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 20 2009, 07:48 PM) *
Well, to be honest I liked the intro, but then you kinda have small intervals and you keep in the same area. then the tapping lick is very cool, it builds from low to high. But then you go back to the same notes. Then you drop a bit (that's good) and then your ending is cool with the artificial harmonics.

I think if you make the bridge part a bit different and put it somewhere else, it'd sound better and really stand out!

That was my honest harsh meaning. Doesn't mean it sucked, just some points ^^I believe it's beter to get some good critics then some "wow, great one monte!!". I'm not sure how others think of that, I know we Dutchies tend to be kinda direct!! So... you have cool idea, maybe do some editing. Actualy I had exactly the same on a lower lever in David's las collab. I had some nice licks, but it was all above 12th fret tongue.gif I should have started a bit lower... Here's what david told me:

Thanks for the input Kaz....much appreciated. I actually changed the tapping lick to not repeat but I changed it back because I thought it sounded better they way I had it. tongue.gif That's music....it's all opinions. laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 21 2009, 02:24 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 20 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Thanks for the input Kaz....much appreciated. I actually changed the tapping lick to not repeat but I changed it back because I thought it sounded better they way I had it. tongue.gif That's music....it's all opinions. laugh.gif

True, True! You know, I should really get into writing my solos, not just improvising them.... that way I might actualy end up with something good tongue.gif Now I often just "write" some bits in my head, like David's blocks (check his lessons about improvising with blocks). I just remember how I want to start, and some cool licks, the rest is improv.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 21 2009, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 21 2009, 02:24 PM) *
True, True! You know, I should really get into writing my solos, not just improvising them.... that way I might actualy end up with something good tongue.gif Now I often just "write" some bits in my head, like David's blocks (check his lessons about improvising with blocks). I just remember how I want to start, and some cool licks, the rest is improv.

I do that too Kaz. What I notice though is that when I improvise I just start running "shapes" that my fingers already know. When I sit and compose I might start with a shape that is comfortable but then I turn it into a lick I've never played before and then I have just added a new lick to my vocabulary. Plus I like to try and have the solo have some structure to it. A lot of times I will come up with just the intro lick and I'll play that over and over until it is stuck in my head. Then when I don't have my guitar in my hands I'll be playing that intro lick in my head and try and "hum" the next lick in my head. That way I am playing what my ear wants to hear rather than let my muscle memory in my fingers dictate what I am going to play. Try it.....I think you'll enjoy it. I'm getting faster at it too tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 21 2009, 07:36 PM

So... I have this for the Satch collab, and I have a problem. I can't get off the point where this sound seems a bit dull.... How can I get it come out more?? I tried adding some treble, some less bass, some more gain... I just can't get it ok tongue.gif I want it like in the satch song If I could Fly, and i hope you could recognize that tongue.gif The GP5 file contains the tab, but the timing ain't alright.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 21 2009, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 21 2009, 07:36 PM) *
So... I have this for the Satch collab, and I have a problem. I can't get off the point where this sound seems a bit dull.... How can I get it come out more?? I tried adding some treble, some less bass, some more gain... I just can't get it ok tongue.gif I want it like in the satch song If I could Fly, and i hope you could recognize that tongue.gif The GP5 file contains the tab, but the timing ain't alright.

I know Satch uses a cry-baby wah as a filter a lot.....if you have one of those you could try that. It should make it come out quite a bit. Listen to "one big rush" off of his "flying in a blue dream" album to hear what I am talking about. I don't know if he is doing that on If I could fly, but he very well could be. I still thing "A Ionian" sound better over this progression, but again......it's all opinions. tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 22 2009, 08:59 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 21 2009, 09:45 PM) *
I know Satch uses a cry-baby wah as a filter a lot.....if you have one of those you could try that. It should make it come out quite a bit. Listen to "one big rush" off of his "flying in a blue dream" album to hear what I am talking about. I don't know if he is doing that on If I could fly, but he very well could be. I still thing "A Ionian" sound better over this progression, but again......it's all opinions. tongue.gif

Emir asked for A penta, so I thought let's use A penta tongue.gif But maybe I can add some Ionian notes to get it sound more like if I could fly. Pod Farm has some Wahs, I can try to set them at a nice level.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 22 2009, 06:59 PM

Hey Monte,

I'm still a bit confused about these modes. Joe Satriani has a video where he plays in E, and then goes through several modes. Does this mean he knows all positions for every key??? I mean, going from A Ionian to B Dorian is just changing the root note, but going from A Ionian to A Dorian is changing shifting the A ionian up two frets and changing the place for the root. Am I right when I say that for fluid playing with modes you need to know all the notes on the fretboard within a second?

UPDATE: something else I don't get... Learning how to play the dorian mode, ain't that just playing the Ionion mode with different roots????

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 22 2009, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 22 2009, 06:59 PM) *
Hey Monte,

I'm still a bit confused about these modes. Joe Satriani has a video where he plays in E, and then goes through several modes. Does this mean he knows all positions for every key??? I mean, going from A Ionian to B Dorian is just changing the root note, but going from A Ionian to A Dorian is changing shifting the A ionian up two frets and changing the place for the root. Am I right when I say that for fluid playing with modes you need to know all the notes on the fretboard within a second?

UPDATE: something else I don't get... Learning how to play the dorian mode, ain't that just playing the Ionion mode with different roots????

Yeah you are right. Playing fluidly.....improvising on the spot.....would require you knowing instantly every position.

Remember that whether you are playing in A Ionian or B Dorian....since the notes are the same......depends on what chords you are soloing over. If you play A Ionian over an A major chord it will sound like A Ionian. If you play that same scale over a B minor chord it will sound like B Dorian. It's all about the relationship of the chords to the scale. You have to have both the chords and the scales to get the sound of a mode. Make sense?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 23 2009, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 22 2009, 08:22 PM) *
Yeah you are right. Playing fluidly.....improvising on the spot.....would require you knowing instantly every position.

Remember that whether you are playing in A Ionian or B Dorian....since the notes are the same......depends on what chords you are soloing over. If you play A Ionian over an A major chord it will sound like A Ionian. If you play that same scale over a B minor chord it will sound like B Dorian. It's all about the relationship of the chords to the scale. You have to have both the chords and the scales to get the sound of a mode. Make sense?

it does I gues... But to get a sad sound, you can just play A Aeolian without any BT right? it should still sound sad...

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 23 2009, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 23 2009, 03:05 PM) *
it does I gues... But to get a sad sound, you can just play A Aeolian without any BT right? it should still sound sad...

All depends on what notes you emphasize Kaz. IMO You can't get the sound of a mode without the context of the chords playing underneath. You could get it to sound sad and minorish but not near as sad and minor sounding as if you play a minor chord progression underneath it.

Maybe Pedja, or Muris or Andrew could stop in here and help me explain this better. Modes=chords+scale. If you don't have both of these elements you can't get the true sound of the mode. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 23 2009, 08:16 PM

new lukather take. It's all one piece, I only failed on the last two notes tongue.gif so I redid them, where I failed some more notes, which I redid... but in essence, just two notes are done twice wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 24 2009, 08:29 PM

Hey Monte,

pls comment on this take for the Volume Control lesson, it's not close to Vis0n's take, and I mis the goosebumps which I should get when the key changes.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 24 2009, 08:43 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 24 2009, 08:29 PM) *
Hey Monte,

pls comment on this take for the Volume Control lesson, it's not close to Vis0n's take, and I mis the goosebumps which I should get when the key changes.

What take?

Luke lesson sounds good. Are you isolating the faster runs and practicing them separately? If not try doing this....it will make them sound much better. wink.gif Good job!!

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 25 2009, 11:22 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 24 2009, 09:43 PM) *
What take?

Luke lesson sounds good. Are you isolating the faster runs and practicing them separately? If not try doing this....it will make them sound much better. wink.gif Good job!!

Woops, forgot to upload tongue.gif Sometime today I'll upload it wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 26 2009, 12:19 PM

So, a bit late, but I have it tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 26 2009, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 26 2009, 12:19 PM) *
So, a bit late, but I have it tongue.gif

Sounds good Kaz...why do I hear a bunch of clicks though? Is this from combining takes? Just need a little cleaning up but overall I'd say you did a great job. \m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 26 2009, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 26 2009, 03:17 PM) *
Sounds good Kaz...why do I hear a bunch of clicks though? Is this from combining takes? Just need a little cleaning up but overall I'd say you did a great job. \m/\m/

Recording the backing. The clicks come from my Pod GX.

Ok new take on the Satch thing. This is half written, half improvised. Would this be aceptable? It's hard to write more then the two first If I could Frases. I can't seem to think of something that fits after that.

Posted by: lcsdds Apr 26 2009, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Apr 26 2009, 07:25 PM) *
Recording the backing. The clicks come from my Pod GX.

Ok new take on the Satch thing. This is half written, half improvised. Would this be aceptable? It's hard to write more then the two first If I could Frases. I can't seem to think of something that fits after that.

I thought that sounded good. You could always try some sort of arpeggio run or a pentatonic run over the C5-D5 section. I thought it sounded fine as is though. Up to you if you want to work on it some more. smile.gif



Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 27 2009, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 26 2009, 10:27 PM) *
I thought that sounded good. You could always try some sort of arpeggio run or a pentatonic run over the C5-D5 section. I thought it sounded fine as is though. Up to you if you want to work on it some more. smile.gif

problem is I improvised half of it, so I can't just redo it wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Apr 27 2009, 12:12 PM

I've uploaded my final take in Emir's thread, it's quite different fromt he previous take!

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 2 2009, 01:42 PM

I'm back wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 3 2009, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 2 2009, 01:42 PM) *
I'm back wink.gif

Welcome back Kaz....hope you had a good holiday. I liked your new take for the Satch collab. Turned out nice. Good job. smile.gif

What are you working on at the moment?

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 3 2009, 07:33 PM

Nothing tongue.gif Playing poker xD Holiday is over, but I'll keep working on the Lukather lesson (I want in perfect for a REC take). I'm planning on filming some entries for the REC program. They shuld include Volume Control Phrasing and Steve Lukather style. Maybe also jazzy bluesy phrasing from Piotr, it's not very hard, but sounds cool. Just to add some jazz wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 3 2009, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 3 2009, 07:33 PM) *
Nothing tongue.gif Playing poker xD Holiday is over, but I'll keep working on the Lukather lesson (I want in perfect for a REC take). I'm planning on filming some entries for the REC program. They shuld include Volume Control Phrasing and Steve Lukather style. Maybe also jazzy bluesy phrasing from Piotr, it's not very hard, but sounds cool. Just to add some jazz wink.gif

Sweet Kaz....let me know if you need anything. Looking forward to seeing the Luke lesson in the REC. smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 4 2009, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 3 2009, 09:34 PM) *
Sweet Kaz....let me know if you need anything. Looking forward to seeing the Luke lesson in the REC. smile.gif

Haha, met to tongue.gif But first... More practice! The fast runs have to go perfect!

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 4 2009, 06:54 PM

Fast runs just went like crap... More luck tomorow I hope.


Edit: Language/skennington

Edit: Sorry wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 8 2009, 06:11 PM

Hey Monte, I have a question tongue.gif

In the first fast Lukather run, the pentatonic one, Muris first descents and then ascents again. Now I watched and searched why it went so bad, and then I found Muris starts the ascending (D String) with an upstroke. Could you try out how it's possible I end up with a downstroke there? Insterting an upstroke does make it easier! I think it's somewhere in the 64th note slide.

Posted by: lcsdds May 8 2009, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 8 2009, 06:11 PM) *
Hey Monte, I have a question tongue.gif

In the first fast Lukather run, the pentatonic one, Muris first descents and then ascents again. Now I watched and searched why it went so bad, and then I found Muris starts the ascending (D String) with an upstroke. Could you try out how it's possible I end up with a downstroke there? Insterting an upstroke does make it easier! I think it's somewhere in the 64th note slide.

I'll check it out this weekend Kaz.....I've never tried this lesson so I'll look at it and see how I would pick it. I've studied Muris's playing a lot and I notice he seems to like upstrokes a lot. I seem to favor downstrokes.....I'll check it out for you though.....\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 9 2009, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 8 2009, 08:06 PM) *
I'll check it out this weekend Kaz.....I've never tried this lesson so I'll look at it and see how I would pick it. I've studied Muris's playing a lot and I notice he seems to like upstrokes a lot. I seem to favor downstrokes.....I'll check it out for you though.....\m/\m/

This run just goes a lot easier starting with an upstroke, although the first note sounds a bit weird!

Posted by: lcsdds May 9 2009, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 9 2009, 05:05 PM) *
This run just goes a lot easier starting with an upstroke, although the first note sounds a bit weird!

If it's easier for you with an upstroke Kaz then use an upstroke. Why does the first note sound a bit weird?

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 10 2009, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 9 2009, 06:08 PM) *
If it's easier for you with an upstroke Kaz then use an upstroke. Why does the first note sound a bit weird?

not sound, just the feel tongue.gif to upstroke as first note, it feels weird tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 10 2009, 02:21 PM

So new take, just to check progres.. This is a full take, no overdubbing. I had three 'OK' takes, this one was the best. I experimented with the sound, and this is not the final result, to much chorus wink.gif

Posted by: kjutte May 10 2009, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 10 2009, 03:21 PM) *
So new take, just to check progres.. This is a full take, no overdubbing. I had three 'OK' takes, this one was the best. I experimented with the sound, and this is not the final result, to much chorus wink.gif


None of my business, but I would lessen the trebble, and add some more midds to that tone. Also you should work on vibrato.
Using bridge pickup in ballads usually sound a little too sharp, also.

sorry for butting inn Mont!

Posted by: lcsdds May 10 2009, 03:06 PM

I liked it Kaz....I agree with Kjutte as far as less treble and use your neck pickup. Also....I really think you should isolate bar 4 and 7 and really clean it up. It is the best take you have done so far though. Just details now. I agree with you too....lose the chorus....at least some of it. tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 10 2009, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 10 2009, 04:06 PM) *
I liked it Kaz....I agree with Kjutte as far as less treble and use your neck pickup. Also....I really think you should isolate bar 4 and 7 and really clean it up. It is the best take you have done so far though. Just details now. I agree with you too....lose the chorus....at least some of it. tongue.gif

Yep that bar 4 is indeed not perfected tongue.gif About the vibrato, I thought it sometimes sounds kinda anoying smile.gif Maybe I should hold the note still and then apply vibrato, after a tiny second. Bar 7... The tapping lick? I thought that was ok... bit different timing from original, what's the critics here?

I think in order to play bar 9 and 10 I think I need to be able to play it even higher BPM, in order to get in fluid. Now there's to much space in between the notes, it should be all tied together. I think this is because there are some notes where you have to go from (for instance) 7th fret to 6th fret using the index finger, so a very fast slide!

The speed still troubles me... i want them perfect xD

Posted by: lcsdds May 10 2009, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 10 2009, 04:54 PM) *
Yep that bar 4 is indeed not perfected tongue.gif About the vibrato, I thought it sometimes sounds kinda anoying smile.gif Maybe I should hold the note still and then apply vibrato, after a tiny second. Bar 7... The tapping lick? I thought that was ok... bit different timing from original, what's the critics here?

I think in order to play bar 9 and 10 I think I need to be able to play it even higher BPM, in order to get in fluid. Now there's to much space in between the notes, it should be all tied together. I think this is because there are some notes where you have to go from (for instance) 7th fret to 6th fret using the index finger, so a very fast slide!

The speed still troubles me... i want them perfect xD

I think I meant bar 9 & 10....the fast lick. The tapping lick sounds fine. I have found that if I need to play something...say 16th notes at 120....that I really try and get it to where I can play it at 140. That way when I drop down to 120 it is nice and comfortable. Give it a shot Kaz.....Really isolate bar 4....play it over and over and over........ biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 10 2009, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 10 2009, 06:06 PM) *
I think I meant bar 9 & 10....the fast lick. The tapping lick sounds fine. I have found that if I need to play something...say 16th notes at 120....that I really try and get it to where I can play it at 140. That way when I drop down to 120 it is nice and comfortable. Give it a shot Kaz.....Really isolate bar 4....play it over and over and over........ biggrin.gif tongue.gif

mad.gif I just spend three hours playing bar 4!!! mad.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif Or not xD

I'll get on the speedy licks wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 15 2009, 07:13 PM

Monte!! I did nothing, and progressed a lot huh.gif huh.gif laugh.gif

Here's a new take. The first fast run is quite smooth, I tweaked the tone, and it's one full take.

LOL, it wasn't as good as I thought it was, so I made a new one, this is the first take!

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 16 2009, 07:54 PM

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=27495 tongue.gif

pls press HD

Posted by: lcsdds May 16 2009, 08:18 PM

I like your new Luke take Kaz...good job. Just keep working on it to keep cleaning it up. It was cool to see you do the Volume control Phrasing lesson as well....Cool to SEE you play. smile.gif Good job on that Kaz.....your playing has improved a lot.....especially your control. smile.gif How are your collabs coming?

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 16 2009, 10:57 PM

I'm only in Gab's collab. i love that BT, it's quite long and has a nice feeling. I think I should write some licks for it... That's just very hard for me wink.gif

BTW, the difference between how I played the volume control lesson and the Lukather lesson shows how the top of my technique, and the top of "good" sound lay apart quite far. You get what I mean? I mean like I can play the lukather style, which is at the top of my technique. It sounds sloppy and uncontroled. The volume control is not very hard control wise, but about on the top of where I can play things to record in one take, and make them sound good.

BTW, if you'd like to, I can do Brian May style and Hendrix style as well, I can play them, just haven't recorded wink.gif Camera recording is quite a hassle... Recorinding six time, finding the right track, finding the right part of the video, syncing... blablabla tongue.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 16 2009, 11:51 PM

I get what you are saying about the "top of you technique". Tell me Kaz....how exactly do you practice the Luke lesson? Do you break it down into chunks? Do you play the whole thing over and over? If you break it down into chunks how many chunks and how long do you play each chunk? I am curious as to how you organize your practice time. I know you have said you don't like to do that but humor me and tell me how you do it anyways. laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 17 2009, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 17 2009, 12:51 AM) *
I get what you are saying about the "top of you technique". Tell me Kaz....how exactly do you practice the Luke lesson? Do you break it down into chunks? Do you play the whole thing over and over? If you break it down into chunks how many chunks and how long do you play each chunk? I am curious as to how you organize your practice time. I know you have said you don't like to do that but humor me and tell me how you do it anyways. laugh.gif

haha...

Well If I'm playing on my room with Amp, I have no computer, so I just fiddle for an hour. I'm playing things I know the notes of, for instance the Luke lesson, and I improvise a lot. I should get some drum samples on a cD and play them on my CDplayer, that would be cool smile.gif

The most of my guitar time is behind the PC with GMC. I fiddle a bit, but I also practice lessons a lot. I try to do some recordings on the lukather style, I bail, I practice the fast runs, new record, bail again wink.gif That's about it tongue.gif I'm not really learning more scales, however I should, because I only know the first three boxes, and I use them a lot! I also need to study the fretboard and know every note on every position but.... I can't get myself to do that wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 17 2009, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 17 2009, 02:28 PM) *
haha...

Well If I'm playing on my room with Amp, I have no computer, so I just fiddle for an hour. I'm playing things I know the notes of, for instance the Luke lesson, and I improvise a lot. I should get some drum samples on a cD and play them on my CDplayer, that would be cool smile.gif

The most of my guitar time is behind the PC with GMC. I fiddle a bit, but I also practice lessons a lot. I try to do some recordings on the lukather style, I bail, I practice the fast runs, new record, bail again wink.gif That's about it tongue.gif I'm not really learning more scales, however I should, because I only know the first three boxes, and I use them a lot! I also need to study the fretboard and know every note on every position but.... I can't get myself to do that wink.gif

Interesting Kaz....you could get a processor. Digitech rp250 is relatively cheap.....like $150. Then you could run that through your amp to get some sweet sounds AND it has a drum machine built into it as well. Just a thought....I still think your playing would GREATLY benefit if you would become more disciplined with the KAZ-BOX....you need to get a set-up that makes it easy to use. I know for me that I want to record. I have just spent like the last 2 weeks FINALLY setting up my recording space to make it easy to do. Before it was a real hassle so as a result I didn't do it. Now if I am playing over a backing and I hear something I like all I gotta do press a couple of buttons and I can record it. Also....you really should learn the notes of the neck. Pedja gave us a great link to do this. Don't try to do it in a week. Make a goal that by the end of the year you will know the notes of the neck. Before you go to bed every night or maybe first thing when you wake up get on the link that Pedja gave us and go over 50 notes. Shouldn't take more than 10 min and as you get better at it probably half that. This is what I did Kaz.....and I only just did it in the last year.... tongue.gif laugh.gif It has helped a lot. It is a breeze now to move arpeggio shapes around or even to create my own arpeggio shapes. Give it a shot Kaz.....you'll be a better guitarist for it.

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 17 2009, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 17 2009, 04:39 PM) *
Interesting Kaz....you could get a processor. Digitech rp250 is relatively cheap.....like $150. Then you could run that through your amp to get some sweet sounds AND it has a drum machine built into it as well. Just a thought....I still think your playing would GREATLY benefit if you would become more disciplined with the KAZ-BOX....you need to get a set-up that makes it easy to use. I know for me that I want to record. I have just spent like the last 2 weeks FINALLY setting up my recording space to make it easy to do. Before it was a real hassle so as a result I didn't do it. Now if I am playing over a backing and I hear something I like all I gotta do press a couple of buttons and I can record it. Also....you really should learn the notes of the neck. Pedja gave us a great link to do this. Don't try to do it in a week. Make a goal that by the end of the year you will know the notes of the neck. Before you go to bed every night or maybe first thing when you wake up get on the link that Pedja gave us and go over 50 notes. Shouldn't take more than 10 min and as you get better at it probably half that. This is what I did Kaz.....and I only just did it in the last year.... tongue.gif laugh.gif It has helped a lot. It is a breeze now to move arpeggio shapes around or even to create my own arpeggio shapes. Give it a shot Kaz.....you'll be a better guitarist for it.

I just can't find motiation for doing that xD I only use my metronome for fast licks, and getting them up to speed. I have a Korg AX5G multi-effects processor, which I used with my old amp. ATM I have a vox aD 50 VT with some effects and amp modeling, so I'm not using the Korg.

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 19 2009, 07:54 PM

New Sl take tongue.gif I think it's really outstanding that you keep saying "you improved"... This all sounds a bit the same. I only overdubbed a tiny part, because the first take I was interupted and ended half way. The split is in between the fast runs.

Posted by: lcsdds May 20 2009, 06:55 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 19 2009, 07:54 PM) *
New Sl take tongue.gif I think it's really outstanding that you keep saying "you improved"... This all sounds a bit the same. I only overdubbed a tiny part, because the first take I was interupted and ended half way. The split is in between the fast runs.

Kazmandu.....I still think you need to isolate those parts we talked about......have you done that at all? What I would really like to see is for you to post a take at 80% of the full tempo. I just think you could really clean up those few parts. I don't think it would take long at all. You just need to spend a little more time at some slower tempos really getting the muscle memory going.......\m/\m/...

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 20 2009, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 20 2009, 07:55 AM) *
Kazmandu.....I still think you need to isolate those parts we talked about......have you done that at all? What I would really like to see is for you to post a take at 80% of the full tempo. I just think you could really clean up those few parts. I don't think it would take long at all. You just need to spend a little more time at some slower tempos really getting the muscle memory going.......\m/\m/...

I can' get the bT on 80 %, but I gues you mean using the metronome? I'll do that. I'll get a click track going at (65*0,8=)52 bpm tongue.gif Or 104, that's easier wink.gif

I normally start at 120 bpm (60bpm) to 130 bpm (65bpm). I can try that as well.

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 22 2009, 07:28 PM

Now this is becoming worying.... I just recorded it over a click track........ at 105 bpm (52) I made a mistake with timing in the middle, but that's no big deal, it's the fast runs. This take made me realise I have quite some work to do. This might take months to get perfect!!

EDIT: sounds kinda melodramatic, to correct, it's not like I'm crying or somehting tongue.gif I'm still smyling wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 22 2009, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 20 2009, 07:59 AM) *
I can' get the bT on 80 %, but I gues you mean using the metronome? I'll do that. I'll get a click track going at (65*0,8=)52 bpm tongue.gif Or 104, that's easier wink.gif

I normally start at 120 bpm (60bpm) to 130 bpm (65bpm). I can try that as well.

That is good Kaz.....I'd start at half tempo and move up 10-15 bpm at a whack. Do each tempo for a minute or so. Do this on a consistent basis and you will have it squeaky clean and up to tempo in no time. By working on it just a little everyday you won't feel like somebody is pulling your fingernails out with pliers too.....you are a teenager and get bored easily...... laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 22 2009, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 22 2009, 08:46 PM) *
you won't feel like somebody is pulling your fingernails out with pliers too.....you are a teenager and get bored easily...... laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif

Ouch tongue.gif

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 23 2009, 01:03 AM

Im 40 and get bored easily... tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 25 2009, 08:11 PM

Hey Monte, I'm kinda at a dead end here... I'm done with the Luke style for some weeks, I'd like to let it rest a bit. I'm currently listening the Davids SRV style lesson, so I'm going to start with that. You have any other asignments?

BTW: I learned how to make my own BT's, I uploaded my Syncopated rhythm take for Pedja, I'm in the Black Cherry collab and in Ivan\s Metal Arpeegiator one wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 27 2009, 06:04 PM

What's up Monte?

Posted by: lcsdds May 27 2009, 06:17 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 27 2009, 06:04 PM) *
What's up Monte?

I'd love to see you tackle one of Muris's intermediate lessons. Maybe the phrygian or mixolydian. I've been kind of burned out myself Kaz.....been taking a little break. Let me know if you want to tackle one of those........How is your band coming?

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 27 2009, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 27 2009, 07:17 PM) *
I'd love to see you tackle one of Muris's intermediate lessons. Maybe the phrygian or mixolydian. I've been kind of burned out myself Kaz.....been taking a little break. Let me know if you want to tackle one of those........How is your band coming?

Band? Not much progression, no bass player. As non-adults we have the problem of driving. I have a second guitar that I can leave with the drummer, but I think I'm the only one with a spare guitar. Further more.... we don't have a singer, nor a bass wink.gif We now have the drummer, me and..... maybe another guitarist wink.gif


I have a question, how can I get the solo in the end of my BSC take become a bit better, I think it's kinda dulll... i'm uploading it now wink.gif I'll also check the Muris lessons.

tab:
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B-----------------10-8--8-10-11-10-11-----10------13----11---10-8-10---------------
G---7-9-10-9-7---------------------------10-----10------10--10---------- 9--10--12---
D---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by: lcsdds May 27 2009, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 27 2009, 07:23 PM) *
Band? Not much progression, no bass player. As non-adults we have the problem of driving. I have a second guitar that I can leave with the drummer, but I think I'm the only one with a spare guitar. Further more.... we don't have a singer, nor a bass wink.gif We now have the drummer, me and..... maybe another guitarist wink.gif


I have a question, how can I get the solo in the end of my BSC take become a bit better, I think it's kinda dulll... i'm uploading it now wink.gif I'll also check the Muris lessons.

tab:
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B-----------------10-8--8-10-11-10-11-----10------13----11---10-8-10---------------
G---7-9-10-9-7---------------------------10-----10------10--10---------- 9--10--12---
D---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


What do you mean by "better" Kaz? Do you mean how can you execute the lick you tabbed out better or are you wanting to come up with an idea that sounds more interesting?

If it is the latter try doing an arpeggio run instead of what you tabbed out. Try a tapping run or maybe a legato run. What scale are you using?

I think that last lick sounds pretty good Kaz.....If you want to make it more interesting or intense just do a run to end it.....I think that would sound cool.....\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 28 2009, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 27 2009, 08:36 PM) *
What do you mean by "better" Kaz? Do you mean how can you execute the lick you tabbed out better or are you wanting to come up with an idea that sounds more interesting?

If it is the latter try doing an arpeggio run instead of what you tabbed out. Try a tapping run or maybe a legato run. What scale are you using?

I think that last lick sounds pretty good Kaz.....If you want to make it more interesting or intense just do a run to end it.....I think that would sound cool.....\m/\m/

I wanted to make something a bit more melodic, not just a standard sweep or arpeggio.... It might be a good idea to check out the arpeggios and use them in this thing, it's kinda dull now! With better I meant that it stould out a bit more, also I'm just talking about the last solo part, but I gues you got that wink.gif

How is the overall thing to you? I'm not totally happy with it, it's very hard for me to really write somethign cool, not just a bunch of licks! I think I can reproduce about 75% of this take, which must be a record for a collab wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds May 28 2009, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 28 2009, 03:28 PM) *
I wanted to make something a bit more melodic, not just a standard sweep or arpeggio.... It might be a good idea to check out the arpeggios and use them in this thing, it's kinda dull now! With better I meant that it stould out a bit more, also I'm just talking about the last solo part, but I gues you got that wink.gif

How is the overall thing to you? I'm not totally happy with it, it's very hard for me to really write somethign cool, not just a bunch of licks! I think I can reproduce about 75% of this take, which must be a record for a collab wink.gif

I thought the overall take sounded pretty good. I think if you sat down and really tried to compose something that you could make it sound better though. I think if you are not happy with it you just need to spend some more tme working on it. Only you can tell what sounds good to you or not. I think as far as technique and execution that there is room for improvement. There is always room for improvement though.

Give it a shot Kaz.....loop the first few bars of the backing and just jam on it until something that catches your ear comes out. Then take that idea and work on it until you really like it. Then work on to the next part. I find that the most melodic lines will come from you humming something in your head and then trying to find that line on your guitar. Put the backing on your ipod if you have one and listen to it over and over and try and hum something. When you get something that you can hum over and over that you like then......in the words or the great Emir Hot.......grab your guitar and slay the beast.......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 28 2009, 06:31 PM

Haha ;P I also did some humming, that's how I got the last part.

I did some perfectionating, overdubbing and harmonizing, and this is the result

I'll also try to get the Pentatonic shred a bit cleanre

 BSC.mp3 ( 1.43MB ) : 130
 

Posted by: lcsdds May 28 2009, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 28 2009, 06:31 PM) *
Haha ;P I also did some humming, that's how I got the last part.

I did some perfectionating, overdubbing and harmonizing, and this is the result

I'll also try to get the Pentatonic shred a bit cleanre

I really like this take Kaz. The harmonized part is cool. All I would add is to just work on cleaning up the faster passages.....everything else sounds very nice. Did you compose this or improvise? It sounds composed to me......\m/\m/ smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 29 2009, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ May 28 2009, 09:13 PM) *
I really like this take Kaz. The harmonized part is cool. All I would add is to just work on cleaning up the faster passages.....everything else sounds very nice. Did you compose this or improvise? It sounds composed to me......\m/\m/ smile.gif

It is prety composed in the way, as I said, I can reproduce about 75% of it wink.gif It's not written down, but it's in my head, so I know what I'm playing tongue.gif I'm also using about seven tracks for this collab tongue.gif I'm going to clean up the pentatonic run, and then post it!

Posted by: lcsdds May 29 2009, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 29 2009, 03:12 PM) *
It is prety composed in the way, as I said, I can reproduce about 75% of it wink.gif It's not written down, but it's in my head, so I know what I'm playing tongue.gif I'm also using about seven tracks for this collab tongue.gif I'm going to clean up the pentatonic run, and then post it!

\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 30 2009, 03:22 PM

I have the BSC posted wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 5 2009, 05:40 PM

New take after a five minute metronome session, just playing parts of the part..... of the part...

 LukatherJune5th.mp3 ( 1.16MB ) : 154
 

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 5 2009, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 5 2009, 05:40 PM) *
New take after a five minute metronome session, just playing parts of the part..... of the part...

Sounded good Kaz....keep working the Kaz-Box and you'll have it perfect in no time.....\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 5 2009, 06:39 PM

thanks! BTW..... I'm proud of my BSC entrance, so please just say it's cool wink.gif Haha, no kidding, please take a listen.

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 5 2009, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 5 2009, 06:39 PM) *
thanks! BTW..... I'm proud of my BSC entrance, so please just say it's cool wink.gif Haha, no kidding, please take a listen.

I thought I did comment on it....xD......I think it is the best collab I have hear from you Kaz. I like the fact that you took some time and composed it, really made it flow nicely rather than just a bunch of licks played one after another . You have improved a ton.....keep it up man....

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 5 2009, 08:06 PM

Ok thanks, for the positive words, now it's time to get broken by all the critics... whaha, cya wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 8 2009, 08:22 PM

Just made this, it's not even near perfect, and I haven't finished learning the outro solo, but what you think? Apart from I need some perfectionating... and "Some" is a big understatement wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 10 2009, 04:35 PM

Gab said: Kaznie: (04:12 – 05:00)
Very good Solo! I note that you interpreted very well the style of the backing track. In your take you used many elements in the style of BSC and Zakk Wylde. Excepting some details in the beginning, this solo very well played. It seems to me that the only thing that you should work is in trying to make the connection between the licks more fluid to make your playing sound more fluently. But the overall is very well and I want to emphasize the fantastic harmonized melody that you recorded in the last part! It's really good man!

coolie!!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 10 2009, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 10 2009, 04:35 PM) *
Gab said: Kaznie: (04:12 – 05:00)
Very good Solo! I note that you interpreted very well the style of the backing track. In your take you used many elements in the style of BSC and Zakk Wylde. Excepting some details in the beginning, this solo very well played. It seems to me that the only thing that you should work is in trying to make the connection between the licks more fluid to make your playing sound more fluently. But the overall is very well and I want to emphasize the fantastic harmonized melody that you recorded in the last part! It's really good man!

coolie!!! biggrin.gif

I told you that this was your best take yet Kaz. I'd really like to see you compose more in your takes.....they will have a much better flow and sound more fluid. Keep it up Kaz.......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 13 2009, 07:31 PM

Hey Monte, I hope you haven't commited suicide after Muris not winnning GtrIdol!

I made a take for Ivan's Arpeggiator collab: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16162

Actualy I think the second part starts prety strong! Ideas like that should come on my album..... I've already got the first beat: click, click, click, click. How's that wink.gif Just kidding Ofc.

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 15 2009, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 13 2009, 07:31 PM) *
Hey Monte, I hope you haven't commited suicide after Muris not winnning GtrIdol!

I made a take for Ivan's Arpeggiator collab: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16162

Actualy I think the second part starts prety strong! Ideas like that should come on my album..... I've already got the first beat: click, click, click, click. How's that wink.gif Just kidding Ofc.

Hi Kaz.....I'm still alive. Muris did great. Tell me what you are wanting with this collab? The link was just a backing track right? It sounds like a pretty cool blues backing.......you should do really well on it. Take some time and compose it like you did for the BSC collab. Let me know if I can help at all. How is your summer going????? smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 15 2009, 07:43 PM

the link was wrong tongue.gif I already made my take, I'll post a new link ^^

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16145 that's better xD 4-notes per string tapping sounds wicked xD

The harmonized part.. WAAAAAAH...... I LOVE IT xD

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 15 2009, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 15 2009, 07:43 PM) *
the link was wrong tongue.gif I already made my take, I'll post a new link ^^

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16145 that's better xD 4-notes per string tapping sounds wicked xD

The harmonized part.. WAAAAAAH...... I LOVE IT xD

Good work Kaz....I like the tapping.....big surprise I know.. laugh.gif biggrin.gif The harmonized part sounds Sweet!!! Did you compose this????? It sounds composed...

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 16 2009, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 15 2009, 10:15 PM) *
Good work Kaz....I like the tapping.....big surprise I know.. laugh.gif biggrin.gif The harmonized part sounds Sweet!!! Did you compose this????? It sounds composed...

Kinda, I gues again 80 % is composed. But not like written down, just composed in the brains wink.gif

You like tapping????? whaha

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 16 2009, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 16 2009, 03:08 PM) *
........You like tapping????? whaha

smile.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 19 2009, 04:32 PM

Hey Monte,

have you seen the new competition? They want you to make a instrumental song, with your own BT etc. and then you can win.... a vox Tonelab xD!!! That's wicked, and I'd love to make a cool song, but I gues that's not an easy thing tongue.gif I'll have major problems making the BT, then I'll have major trouble making a catchy riff, and then I still have to make a solo.... But I'd love to ^^ or \m/ as you'd say!

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 19 2009, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 19 2009, 04:32 PM) *
Hey Monte,

have you seen the new competition? They want you to make a instrumental song, with your own BT etc. and then you can win.... a vox Tonelab xD!!! That's wicked, and I'd love to make a cool song, but I gues that's not an easy thing tongue.gif I'll have major problems making the BT, then I'll have major trouble making a catchy riff, and then I still have to make a solo.... But I'd love to ^^ or \m/ as you'd say!

I saw that competition. Looks really cool Kaz. You gonna cook something up? Give it a shot......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 20 2009, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 19 2009, 06:19 PM) *
I saw that competition. Looks really cool Kaz. You gonna cook something up? Give it a shot......\m/\m/

I kinda have problems to make a BT, but i think I'll start out with a nice riff or somehting, rhythm guitar. Then try to make a good lead, but I have no clue where to go, and how to get a good riff.... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 24 2009, 08:30 PM

As basic riff, what do you think Monte?

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Posted by: lcsdds Jun 25 2009, 01:47 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 24 2009, 08:30 PM) *
As basic riff, what do you think Monte?

I like the riff Kaz.....Maybe try and change it up a little to come up with different parts for your tune.....maybe some single note heavy riffing or something. Sounds good though Kaz.....Good work..... smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 25 2009, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 25 2009, 02:47 AM) *
I like the riff Kaz.....Maybe try and change it up a little to come up with different parts for your tune.....maybe some single note heavy riffing or something. Sounds good though Kaz.....Good work..... smile.gif

Yes of course, this is meant to become the "main" riff, so I'll need to think of an intro, bridge part and maybe a cool chorus. I thought it would be cool to make a tiny little song, and make like
Intro
Verse (vocals)
Short solo?
Verse (vocals)
drum fill
Chorus (vocals)
Solo time wink.gif

BTW: I just thougth.... I think in a more clean BT, the guitar comes through a lot better.... I think my intro and verse should be a bit calmer, so solo 1 comes through better... What do you think?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 26 2009, 05:01 PM

I've entered in Gabs collab

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 26 2009, 08:32 PM

I made a little sound clip, but it sucks...

Please break down this song, I can use every single piece of criticism, this is hard xD... I tried singing but man.. disapointing xD So here's Song V1, and many more V's to come...

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 27 2009, 02:15 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 25 2009, 02:43 PM) *
Yes of course, this is meant to become the "main" riff, so I'll need to think of an intro, bridge part and maybe a cool chorus. I thought it would be cool to make a tiny little song, and make like
Intro
Verse (vocals)
Short solo?
Verse (vocals)
drum fill
Chorus (vocals)
Solo time wink.gif

BTW: I just thougth.... I think in a more clean BT, the guitar comes through a lot better.... I think my intro and verse should be a bit calmer, so solo 1 comes through better... What do you think?

That looks like a good template for your tune Kaz. Start coming up with the different parts and then you can tweak anything you need to....Good luck....\m/\m/

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 26 2009, 08:32 PM) *
I made a little sound clip, but it sucks...

Please break down this song, I can use every single piece of criticism, this is hard xD... I tried singing but man.. disapointing xD So here's Song V1, and many more V's to come...

I think you forgot to attatch the song xD....Good luck on Gabs collab.....

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 28 2009, 04:07 PM

Indeed xD

The solo "is not very good", but you get the idea wink.gif

Edited for my own language wink.gif

UPDATE: I made the mix a bit better, somethings were way to loud, especialy the second part! I'll also do some harmonizing in the last few seconds.

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Posted by: lcsdds Jun 28 2009, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 28 2009, 04:07 PM) *
Indeed xD

The solo "is not very good", but you get the idea wink.gif

Edited for my own language wink.gif

UPDATE: I made the mix a bit better, somethings were way to loud, especialy the second part! I'll also do some harmonizing in the last few seconds.

I really like the riffs Kaz.....nice driving tempo, lots of energy. What are you gonna do with it? Are you wanting to make an instrumental out of it? Has a lot of potential......make sure you save it so you don't lose your ideas. Are you gonna make it longer?

Posted by: Marek Rojewski Jun 28 2009, 07:23 PM

Cool song Kaz! I like both the first riff, and the distorted one too:) The sound of the guitar playing the solo could be less sharp, but I know that extensive mixing is yet to come:) \m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 28 2009, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 28 2009, 07:59 PM) *
I really like the riffs Kaz.....nice driving tempo, lots of energy. What are you gonna do with it? Are you wanting to make an instrumental out of it? Has a lot of potential......make sure you save it so you don't lose your ideas. Are you gonna make it longer?

No, I'm going to make it even shorter, I think a 5 seconds song would be very original.... HACHOOOO

Haha wink.gif Thanx man! And yes, I thnk it's going to be instrumental. BTW, pls check my to new REC entries, coming within ten minutes!

Posted by: lcsdds Jun 28 2009, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jun 28 2009, 07:25 PM) *
No, I'm going to make it even shorter, I think a 5 seconds song would be very original.... HACHOOOO

Haha wink.gif Thanx man! And yes, I thnk it's going to be instrumental. BTW, pls check my to new REC entries, coming within ten minutes!

I think 5 seconds would be sweet.....That way your audience won't get bored tongue.gif I'll definitely check out your REC stuff Kaz....\m/\m/

Just checked out your Brian May take Kaz.....you did a great job on that. Your picking is looking really good....keep working on it.

What kind of finish is that on your Ibanez? Is that and SA or and S? Cool looking guitar.... cool.gif smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 28 2009, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jun 28 2009, 08:57 PM) *
I think 5 seconds would be sweet.....That way your audience won't get bored tongue.gif I'll definitely check out your REC stuff Kaz....\m/\m/

Just checked out your Brian May take Kaz.....you did a great job on that. Your picking is looking really good....keep working on it.

What kind of finish is that on your Ibanez? Is that and SA or and S? Cool looking guitar.... cool.gif smile.gif

The second REC entrie is now uploaded wink.gif

It's an Ibanez SA (S is kinda expensive wink.gif ) This guitar is limited SA edition from 08 (Hence SA 08 LTD2) with a Blue Arctic Frost finish. It looks like they painted it black, then took a a bucket of paint, threw it on there, and then froze it with Nitrogen wink.gif Marc Maiden could tell me from the Serial code that this guitar is made in Indonesia, where all the prestige series and high end guitars come from wink.gif It's the only SA that is from there, only but one, an old prestige SA series. It was made for the Music Messe, on Ibanez site, all info I found was Messe Spot Model, and some specs.

ADD: the shine on the Rec entrie makes the guitar look Devine wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jun 30 2009, 08:41 PM

Reaper is being anoying tongue.gif It saves every single take you make... so I have like a little hundred on my new song, and I can't delete the ones I don't use, because I'm not sure wheter AM-IIor_33328769.wav is used or not xD

Here's updated song:

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Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 2 2009, 06:56 PM

bump.... pls CRITICS!!! Hahaha, sory to be a Pain in the butt Monte wink.gif That's just how I am... unfortunatly.... whaahaha

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 2 2009, 07:59 PM

Hi Kaz,
I like the rhythmn and I like the lead on the heavy section. I think you should try and come up with a catchy theme for the clean section. Something simple and melodic would be nice.......use your triad shapes.....these work great for coming up with melodies. Use the triad notes as landing and longer notes and notes of the scale you are using to get you from one triad note to another. Good work Kaz.....keep working on it.....\m/\m/

EDIT:
Kaz....you know what would be cool......Do something like Satch does in "Rubina's blue sky happiness". Just make your clean rhythmn part be your "main theme". Just come up with some variations on it so it doesn't get boring. Maybe use the same chords you are using but just different voicings to give it some variations. Then do a formal solo over the heavy part and then end back with the clean section as an outro doing some more variations. Check out the Satch tune if you've never heard it. It's one of my favorites......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 3 2009, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 2 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Hi Kaz,
I like the rhythmn and I like the lead on the heavy section. I think you should try and come up with a catchy theme for the clean section. Something simple and melodic would be nice.......use your triad shapes.....these work great for coming up with melodies. Use the triad notes as landing and longer notes and notes of the scale you are using to get you from one triad note to another. Good work Kaz.....keep working on it.....\m/\m/

EDIT:
Kaz....you know what would be cool......Do something like Satch does in "Rubina's blue sky happiness". Just make your clean rhythmn part be your "main theme". Just come up with some variations on it so it doesn't get boring. Maybe use the same chords you are using but just different voicings to give it some variations. Then do a formal solo over the heavy part and then end back with the clean section as an outro doing some more variations. Check out the Satch tune if you've never heard it. It's one of my favorites......\m/\m/

Cool, I'll check it out! That would also give a clear structure to the song, and a way to end it, and then I can make it like.... 1:30? What do you think? I think I'm not able of making a 5 minutes long interesting song, so it has to be shorter...

I'll just pm andrew, he can start sending me the Vox Tonelab so it arrives here at the day of the results biggrin.gif

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 2 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Hi Kaz,
I like the rhythmn and I like the lead on the heavy section. I think you should try and come up with a catchy theme for the clean section. Something simple and melodic would be nice.......use your triad shapes.....these work great for coming up with melodies. Use the triad notes as landing and longer notes and notes of the scale you are using to get you from one triad note to another. Good work Kaz.....keep working on it.....\m/\m/

EDIT:
Kaz....you know what would be cool......Do something like Satch does in "Rubina's blue sky happiness". Just make your clean rhythmn part be your "main theme". Just come up with some variations on it so it doesn't get boring. Maybe use the same chords you are using but just different voicings to give it some variations. Then do a formal solo over the heavy part and then end back with the clean section as an outro doing some more variations. Check out the Satch tune if you've never heard it. It's one of my favorites......\m/\m/

BTW.... I already had a simple melodie on the clean part. What do you think I should change? It was quite a rough take. Maybe triads would make it more interesting.
BTW, I should use Maj7 triads and so on right? I only used Maj triad, which becomes hard to solo with xD

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 3 2009, 06:56 PM

ADD: Chord voicings... is that like playing an open G and playing a E-shape barred on the third fret?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 3 2009, 07:22 PM

Chord voicings is how the notes are arranged from low to high. If you think of a triad shape using the D, G and B strings and then analyze like an D major triad you could voice it 3 ways.

Going from lowest string to highest string you could do this....

D-F#-A
F#-A-D
A-D-F#

So those are the 3 different triad shapes I gave you in the tab way back when. Same triad different shape and they can be used to change things up a little.......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 3 2009, 09:12 PM

I just fnished rhytm part basic idea, If I keep this I have the soft intro, Then 8 bars (?) of solo, then one bar drum solo, then a two bar chorus, that's it. That's 1:45 or somehting.... What do you think? I mean it's a little short wink.gif

I really have a hard time tying it all together tongue.gif And making cool melodies isn't really easy. Oh, one important question I had, does using Maj7 arpeggios make life easier, if I use them instead of normal Maj arpeggio's? They are kinda limiting...
Kaz wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 4 2009, 08:05 PM

I just listened to all the takes that are already uploaded.... Damn xD

I don't really think I stand a chance ^^ At least I have my own vote...

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 5 2009, 09:07 PM

biggrin.gif intro still sucks. I like the first intro I had, but it's to soft

 SongV1.mp3 ( 2.77MB ) : 143
 

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 6 2009, 12:48 PM

how are things monte?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 6 2009, 01:13 PM

Hi Kaz....busy weekend over here.....4th of July and all. smile.gif I think you should stick with the first intro/theme you had.....I like it better. Soft is OK.....gives it good contrast. The other parts sound good.....just clean them up a little bit. Did you listen to the Satch tune I was talking about??? smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 6 2009, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 6 2009, 02:13 PM) *
Hi Kaz....busy weekend over here.....4th of July and all. smile.gif I think you should stick with the first intro/theme you had.....I like it better. Soft is OK.....gives it good contrast. The other parts sound good.....just clean them up a little bit. Did you listen to the Satch tune I was talking about??? smile.gif

Yeah, but I'm not sure what you meant?

He uses a lot of chording to make the solo sound, is that what you mean? BTW, I'm probably going to stretch the first rocking part a bit, then let the drum roll come for the chorus, which is also the slot, and I'll make that also a bit longer hten it is now. I want to get some technical stuff in the last verse part, but it's hard to think of somehting, you have any cool tapping ideas? I used some triads for the tapping, but it sounded exactly like Van Halen's eruption tapping solo tongue.gif

BTW, can we get on with some more theory? Just some guidence for me to learn all the patterns of the Maj scale, and then get a bit more into modes? Maybe just reapeating what we did wink.gif

bTW, you think I even stand a chance?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 6 2009, 08:16 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 6 2009, 01:18 PM) *
Yeah, but I'm not sure what you meant?

He uses a lot of chording to make the solo sound, is that what you mean? BTW, I'm probably going to stretch the first rocking part a bit, then let the drum roll come for the chorus, which is also the slot, and I'll make that also a bit longer hten it is now. I want to get some technical stuff in the last verse part, but it's hard to think of somehting, you have any cool tapping ideas? I used some triads for the tapping, but it sounded exactly like Van Halen's eruption tapping solo tongue.gif

BTW, can we get on with some more theory? Just some guidence for me to learn all the patterns of the Maj scale, and then get a bit more into modes? Maybe just reapeating what we did wink.gif

bTW, you think I even stand a chance?

I ALWAYS have tapping ideas.... tongue.gif laugh.gif Tell me what you want to work on as far learning the patterns of the Maj scale? I think to do this Kaz you are gonna need to organize your practice time a little......I know you don't like doing this but I think it's the easiest way to do it. I learned all the patterns by taking a sequence or a run and then just applying it to all the box shpaes. Easiest way to do it. I think Ivan just posted a lesson about learning the Diatonic boxes. I like your idea for the song.......I liked your initial intro/theme better as well. You should just expand on that.

There is always a chance or you winning Kaz.....but look at it more as an opportunity for you to work on your compositional skills..... smile.gif \m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 7 2009, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 6 2009, 09:16 PM) *
I ALWAYS have tapping ideas.... tongue.gif laugh.gif Tell me what you want to work on as far learning the patterns of the Maj scale? I think to do this Kaz you are gonna need to organize your practice time a little......I know you don't like doing this but I think it's the easiest way to do it. I learned all the patterns by taking a sequence or a run and then just applying it to all the box shpaes. Easiest way to do it. I think Ivan just posted a lesson about learning the Diatonic boxes. I like your idea for the song.......I liked your initial intro/theme better as well. You should just expand on that.

There is always a chance or you winning Kaz.....but look at it more as an opportunity for you to work on your compositional skills..... smile.gif \m/\m/

I really liked the exercises you gave, using theory. Like the timing ones, I used them more for learning the diatonic boxes wink.gif I know about two of them now tongue.gif BTW, can I only use triads for the soloing, or is 7th arpeggio also good? the triad only is kinda limiting! I also think I don't stretch the song enough.... to make it a bit longer, most songs have repeating stuff.

UPDATE: I kinda start to like the intro in the latest version ^^ it does have a little Rubina thing in it wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 7 2009, 07:38 PM

Brused Pinky xD Every time I use pinky I have pain tongue.gif screwed up xD

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 7 2009, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 7 2009, 03:10 PM) *
I really liked the exercises you gave, using theory. Like the timing ones, I used them more for learning the diatonic boxes wink.gif I know about two of them now tongue.gif BTW, can I only use triads for the soloing, or is 7th arpeggio also good? the triad only is kinda limiting! I also think I don't stretch the song enough.... to make it a bit longer, most songs have repeating stuff.

UPDATE: I kinda start to like the intro in the latest version ^^ it does have a little Rubina thing in it wink.gif

You can use any kind of arpeggio you want for soloing Kaz.....7th, 9th etc.

Why don't you pick a key and I'll give you some assignments to start learning the diatonic boxes. We'll work both your technique and your box knowledge. We'll make you responsible for 2 boxs a week.....In a month you should know all 7 boxes and you can start using them in your solos..... smile.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 8 2009, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 7 2009, 09:11 PM) *
You can use any kind of arpeggio you want for soloing Kaz.....7th, 9th etc.

Why don't you pick a key and I'll give you some assignments to start learning the diatonic boxes. We'll work both your technique and your box knowledge. We'll make you responsible for 2 boxs a week.....In a month you should know all 7 boxes and you can start using them in your solos..... smile.gif

Am?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 8 2009, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 8 2009, 04:31 PM) *
Am?

Cool....I'll get you a couple licks that you can work on applying to all 7 boxes. We'll just start with 1 lick.....

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 8 2009, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 8 2009, 05:34 PM) *
Cool....I'll get you a couple licks that you can work on applying to all 7 boxes. We'll just start with 1 lick.....

Pinky still hurts, not much guitar today I think wink.gif That sucks since I'v a song to finish wink.gif I could start doing some tabbing... I don't get how I played the intro tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 9 2009, 09:31 PM

Monte! I'v got a replie on one of my replies to a band advertisement. They seek a Lead guitarist, and though I might not be the perfect one, this might be positive wink.gif They said they wanted to meet me, so I gues that's going to happen soon. There is one downside, I know the old lead guitarist (well know... he's a friend of a friend of mine wink.gif ) and he left because of some rows, not good wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 9 2009, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 9 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Monte! I'v got a replie on one of my replies to a band advertisement. They seek a Lead guitarist, and though I might not be the perfect one, this might be positive wink.gif They said they wanted to meet me, so I gues that's going to happen soon. There is one downside, I know the old lead guitarist (well know... he's a friend of a friend of mine wink.gif ) and he left because of some rows, not good wink.gif

What is a row?? tongue.gif laugh.gif Dumb it down.....I'm a dentist... tongue.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 9 2009, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 9 2009, 10:46 PM) *
What is a row?? tongue.gif laugh.gif Dumb it down.....I'm a dentist... tongue.gif

Sorry, a fight? a ROUW tongue.gif Like that wink.gif They bought some stuff without talking about it. They also practice a bit to far, but I hope they're open for some change.

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 10 2009, 04:26 PM

new version: It's all V1 tongue.gif Added a line or two, and made the final rhuthm. I prolnged the verse and chorus a bit, it's going to be 2:35. I'm planning on finishing it before or at the 13th, so I have a week to tab it out and film it!

Kaz

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 11 2009, 11:03 AM

what do you think Monte? The three arpeggio's (the first non-harmonized part) is still written, after that it's just improv, still needs solo wink.gif Ow, they extended the deadline ><

Kaz

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 11 2009, 05:46 PM

I think it sound good Kaz......The real question is what do YOU think!!! When you think it's good....then it is. That is the beauty of music!!!

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 11 2009, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 11 2009, 06:46 PM) *
I think it sound good Kaz......The real question is what do YOU think!!! When you think it's good....then it is. That is the beauty of music!!!

Of course I do, otherwise I wouldn't put it in the song wink.gif I'm just lookin for some tips! WINNING!!! whaha. I have to upload before sunday (next week) because then I'm going on a 10 day holiday! (France wink.gif )

Kaz

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 13 2009, 09:49 AM

New intro, some updated stuff, what do yu t hink? Critics!!!

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 13 2009, 07:55 PM

Went for a distorted sound in the intro I see. I think it sounds good Kaz....What do you think?

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 14 2009, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 13 2009, 08:55 PM) *
Went for a distorted sound in the intro I see. I think it sounds good Kaz....What do you think?

good of course wink.gif Yeah, i had a weird distorted sound, and thought it sounded ok, then switched to a more normal thing.... It's not really cool or anything, but it's hard to make a nice one... I think this'll be it, just lowered a bit in the mix. Oh, you have any cool video ideas? No time left to tab everything out and make a playing vid.. you know anything?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 14 2009, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 14 2009, 02:30 PM) *
good of course wink.gif Yeah, i had a weird distorted sound, and thought it sounded ok, then switched to a more normal thing.... It's not really cool or anything, but it's hard to make a nice one... I think this'll be it, just lowered a bit in the mix. Oh, you have any cool video ideas? No time left to tab everything out and make a playing vid.. you know anything?

I have no cool video ideas. I'm a hack at that stuff..... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 14 2009, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 14 2009, 03:46 PM) *
I have no cool video ideas. I'm a hack at that stuff..... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Hehe, ok me to wink.gif I added a little fast part just before the chorus, there where I should get a few Technique votes wink.gif Then the chorus, still recording tongue.gif I think I'm going to use the same riff as I used on Gab's Black Stone Cherry collaboration. It went like : taaaaatadadaaaaaa tadadaaaa dadadadaaaaaaa sounds nice huh biggrin.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 14 2009, 03:46 PM) *
I have no cool video ideas. I'm a hack at that stuff..... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Hehe, ok me to wink.gif I added a little fast part just before the chorus, there where I should get a few Technique votes wink.gif Then the chorus, still recording tongue.gif I think I'm going to use the same riff as I used on Gab's Black Stone Cherry collaboration. It went like : taaaaatadadaaaaaa tadadaaaa dadadadaaaaaaa sounds nice huh biggrin.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 15 2009, 07:59 PM

New Upload wink.gif V2 now wink.gif I Used Tapping!

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 15 2009, 08:32 PM

Are you ready to submit it now?? Nice work Kaz.....

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 16 2009, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 15 2009, 09:32 PM) *
Are you ready to submit it now?? Nice work Kaz.....

No, chorus still has to get some solo wink.gif Then recording the bass, then I think I make a slide show of some bass and guitar pictures wink.gif But not sure about that. A cool video can add something, but I have no good ideas for making a nice vid..

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 16 2009, 07:24 PM

Hey Monte, Jafomatic and Ivan Milenkovic helped a lot with the mixing! check out this thread! http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=28970&st=0&#entry402050 also a better mixed version of my take with bass wink.gif

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 16 2009, 08:57 PM

Glad you got some help Kaz....It sounds a lot better. I'm worthless at mixing and recording in general..... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 17 2009, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 16 2009, 09:57 PM) *
Glad you got some help Kaz....It sounds a lot better. I'm worthless at mixing and recording in general..... tongue.gif laugh.gif

Me to wink.gif

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 17 2009, 08:50 PM

So, almost final version, tomorow is my last day before holiday wink.gif So, I have an already harmonized part in the chorus, but the part after that isn't sure yet.... Any ideas? I also did some extra drum fills, added bass, and did some mixing!

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 18 2009, 06:49 AM

Edit, just listened, no intro solo sound... probably an upload mistake! But for the rest it's ok. Drums are cool I think.... but I need some help with the last, last, last part!

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 18 2009, 06:22 PM

Monte, I just finished it all, uploaded to http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?showtopic=28287 . I'll cya in a a week or two, I'm going on holiday now! Thanks for helping me, and bringing me to this level!! Thanks a lot wink.gif

ciao...

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 31 2009, 03:18 PM

Hey Monte I'm back wink.gif And the voting has begun tongue.gif I just ope to fetch some votes.... I really want to become one of the top 3, but as it looks now.... I might just become one of the bunch with 1-2 votes..

Posted by: kaznie_NL Jul 31 2009, 08:30 PM

I saw the new MTP option for resigning.... How are you with the MTP? I mean, if you're kinda tired of it, please say so now, this is the moment for me to switch if necesary! I think I can still learn lots of you, but I want an active mentor, who helps me! You've helped a lot, but recently you haven't been very active, will this stay the same?

Posted by: lcsdds Jul 31 2009, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Jul 31 2009, 08:30 PM) *
I saw the new MTP option for resigning.... How are you with the MTP? I mean, if you're kinda tired of it, please say so now, this is the moment for me to switch if necesary! I think I can still learn lots of you, but I want an active mentor, who helps me! You've helped a lot, but recently you haven't been very active, will this stay the same?

I'd go ahead and apply for an instructor Kaz......it'll be good for you to get a fresh take on stuff and I have been pretty busy as of late. It's been good working with you.....you've improved a lot and I'll see you around the forums. KAZ-BOX RULES!!!......\m/\m/

Posted by: kaznie_NL Aug 4 2009, 08:32 PM

With some step recording...

 AwMAwY.mp3 ( 2.56MB ) : 160
 

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