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Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:04 PM

Hello GMC !

Welcome to another in class type collaboration.
I have to say I was really thinking hard what should be your next in class type collaboration. I was analyzing your solos from previous collaborations and noticed that biggest problem in most takes was your phrasing. To be more exact, I am talking about down beat and up beat type rhythm and playing. This lead me to finally create backing track which is suitable for many sorts of solos (which I will talk about later) but we will use it for Straight vs Syncopated soloing !


Ok, so our topic for this in class type collaboration is Straight rhythm vs Syncopated rhythm soloing !

This means that your solo has to contain both types of rhythms.
Straight rhythm is basically if you start on Down beat (1 2 3 4) and play rhythm like Whole, Half, Quarter, Eight and Sixteen notes ! It is essential that your rhythm here doesn't carry over when you are doing this , in other words you are not using any DOTS OR TIES ! (to make things easier for you guys).
Syncopated rhythm is opposite from Straight rhythm. You need to start your phrases on Up beat (one AND two AND three AND four AND - so you start on AND always!). It is also essential that with syncopated rhythm melodies or your solo sounds OF BEAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE !
Another trick to achieve syncopated rhythm is to use TRIPLETS. The best triplet to throw you of is Quarter note triplet !!! You can also use doted rhythms when playing syncopated melodies, in fact I highly recommend you do it (dotted quarters will work wonders here of course!).
Remember that you can also start on up beat and keep playing regular rhythm and it will sound syncopated !!!


I hope this little information and intro was very valuable for you before you start tackling your solos.


Backing track is at 140 bpm and is in A minor.
I used Latin type feel in Bass and Drums with very specific Piano sound. I hope you dig it !

Chord progression is :

// A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min7 Amin6 / A min7 Amin6 / D min7/ G7 /
/ A min / A min / A min (E7#9)/ E7#9 //




Notice how backing track has chords entering before they actually need to appear. This is ANTICIPATION, Syncopated rhythm and Harmonic Displacement !
I moved on purpose some of the chords one eight note earlier.
See if you can spot where chords appear earlier in the chord progression.


About soloing :

- Use arpeggios (if you want and can
- A harmonic Minor is mostly key center
- Over A min7 A min6 you can use A DORIAN MODE (G major scale)
- D min7 G7 part is A aeolian or A natural minor (A minor pentatonic if you want to simplify it)
- E7#9 you can do arpeggios or E altered scale (F melodic minor) as well as E half whole diminished scale.


I hope to hear some cool takes in this one guys. It should be lots of fun and a challenge ( I HOPE!!!).

Deadline for submitting your takes 7th of June ! I have decided to extend the deadline after receiving only couple of takes.

Let me know if you have any questions and need any help !

Enjoy the backing !


Pedja


List of participants :

1) Velvet Roger (auto sign up) - Recorded
2) Tolek (auto sign up)
3) enforcer (auto sign up)
4) wrk (auto sign up) - Recorded
5) Outlaw2112 (auto sign up) - Recorded
6) Jesse (auto sign up)
7) superize
8) berko (auto sign up) - Recorded
9) coffeeman (auto sign up)
10) sted (Recorded)
11) kaznie_NL (auto sign up) - Recorded
12) Caelumattendum - Recorded
13) JVM
14) kjutte (Recorded)
15) JamesT (auto sign up) - Recorded
16) Dexxter - Recorded
17) jdriver - Recorded
18) Oxac - Recorded
19) Pedja Simovic (Recorded)

P.S. I am providing you two guitar pro files, each with rhythm examples for Straight and Syncopated rhythms !
You can also download my solo here and in upload thread !
I included guitar pro file of my solo. Use it for analysis only and to double check your work. I strongly recommend you transcribe it before downloading it.

Lesson in HQ on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2QN33e9EI&fmt=18

or watch it bellow

 Straight_vs_syncopated_collaboration.mp3 ( 912.65K ) : 406
 Straight_rhythm_soloing_.gp5 ( 2.04K ) : 261
 Syncopated_rhythm_soloing.gp5 ( 2.11K ) : 256
 Pedja__s_straight_vs_syncopated_solo.mp3 ( 925.71K ) : 341
 Straight_vs_syncopated_collaboration_solo.gp5 ( 6.28K ) : 268

Posted by: Jesse May 19 2009, 03:10 PM

Great! This one is going to be a real challenge for me!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Jesse @ May 19 2009, 04:10 PM)

Posted by: superize May 19 2009, 03:16 PM

I will give this a try

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 04:16 PM)

Posted by: berko May 19 2009, 03:32 PM

I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit

This is going to be very interesting.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:32 PM)

I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit

This is going to be very interesting.

Posted by: coffeeman May 19 2009, 03:48 PM

Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.

Posted by: berko May 19 2009, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:55 PM

QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM)

QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:49 PM)

Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list.

Posted by: Emir Hot May 19 2009, 03:56 PM

This looks like something really interesting I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 19 2009, 04:56 PM)

This looks like something really interesting I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know

Posted by: sted May 19 2009, 04:12 PM

I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected guess thats called learning the hard way!!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (sted @ May 19 2009, 05:12 PM)

I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected guess thats called learning the hard way!!

Posted by: superize May 19 2009, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 19 2009, 04:17 PM)

Awesome Superize!


I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 05:25 PM)

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 19 2009, 06:14 PM

I'm in But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 19 2009, 07:14 PM)

I'm in But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing

Posted by: JVM May 19 2009, 07:29 PM

I'd love to do this one

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 19 2009, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (JVM @ May 19 2009, 08:29 PM)

I'd love to do this one

Posted by: kjutte May 20 2009, 12:36 AM

I am in!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 20 2009, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (kjutte @ May 20 2009, 01:36 AM)

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 20 2009, 01:13 PM

This is going to be a challenging one..

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 20 2009, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 20 2009, 02:13 PM)

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 20 2009, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 20 2009, 01:20 PM)

You know I am around, ask as many questions necessary

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 20 2009, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 20 2009, 02:24 PM)

you know i will...

thanks

Posted by: Velvet Roger May 21 2009, 06:43 PM

Great backing Pedja! Will get on a take as soon as I return from holidays (this weekend)

Posted by: JamesT May 21 2009, 08:20 PM

I'm in.

Pedja, I thought you already had me on auto-sign-up for your collabs!

Posted by: Dexxter May 21 2009, 09:06 PM

I'm in Pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 21 2009, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ May 21 2009, 07:43 PM)

Great backing Pedja! Will get on a take as soon as I return from holidays (this weekend)

QUOTE (JamesT @ May 21 2009, 09:20 PM)

QUOTE (Dexxter @ May 21 2009, 10:06 PM)

I'm in Pedja

Posted by: jdriver May 22 2009, 05:08 AM

I have not officially signed up, but i've been playing around with it. Seems simple enough to play to, but the tempo is so fast, I have no idea whether I'm being syncopated or not. Could you hurry up and post your example take. Thanks.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 22 2009, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (jdriver @ May 22 2009, 06:08 AM)

Posted by: jdriver May 23 2009, 07:29 AM

Okay, I am in also.

I listened to Kaznie's preliminary take and read your comment, and I understand what you want.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 23 2009, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (jdriver @ May 23 2009, 08:29 AM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 26 2009, 11:12 AM

Guys I just posted my solo for this collaboration.
You can download it http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15871 or go to very beginning of the thread (next to backing track and guitar pro rhythm examples. Hope you like it !

Posted by: Dexxter May 26 2009, 12:35 PM

Sounds wonderful as always Pedja

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 26 2009, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Dexxter @ May 26 2009, 01:35 PM)

Sounds wonderful as always Pedja

Posted by: Oxac May 26 2009, 12:38 PM

I'm in

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 26 2009, 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Oxac @ May 26 2009, 01:38 PM)

I'm in

Posted by: berko May 26 2009, 12:51 PM

Hey, I just popped in to see what's happening in this thread and I have listened to the solo! I've finished my first take but this one makes it sound... bad I especially liked the intro rhythmic variations and the run at the end. The tone is also very good, it's warm and natural for my ears.

I wanted to rerecord my take anyway because I messed up something with the input signal, there are lots of buzzing. I'll post the corrected one asap!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 26 2009, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (berko @ May 26 2009, 01:51 PM)

Hey, I just popped in to see what's happening in this thread and I have listened to the solo! I've finished my first take but this one makes it sound... bad I especially liked the intro rhythmic variations and the run at the end. The tone is also very good, it's warm and natural for my ears.

I wanted to rerecord my take anyway because I messed up something with the input signal, there are lots of buzzing. I'll post the corrected one asap!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 26 2009, 09:57 PM

Guys I just posted guitar pro file of solo I submitted today.


Use it to analyze rhythms and get ideas. I strongly recommend you try to transcribe my solo by ear as it will help you identify those tricky rhythms on your own !


You can download it on the very first page along with backing track and my take.

Here is direct link for it

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_forum/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15882

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 27 2009, 03:27 PM

Guys I posted Youtube video for my solo, hope that helps as well.

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 29 2009, 12:35 PM

Guys end of month is getting near, please try to submit your takes. I will extend deadline by couple days if you need that extra time.
Thanks

Posted by: superize May 29 2009, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 29 2009, 01:35 PM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 29 2009, 12:40 PM

QUOTE (superize @ May 29 2009, 01:38 PM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 30 2009, 02:52 PM

Guys I have decided to give you extra week for your takes. So deadline is 7th of June, please try to submit something by then.

I plan to post new collaboration for you very shortly before or after that date so keep an eye out for that as well.

Posted by: kaznie_NL May 30 2009, 03:22 PM

Hey Pedja, I'd like to ask you to auto sign me up

On the other hand, maybe the auto sign-up gives that people who have no time for a collaboration are in one...

Posted by: Outlaw2112 May 30 2009, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 30 2009, 02:52 PM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic May 31 2009, 12:40 AM

QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 30 2009, 04:22 PM)

Hey Pedja, I'd like to ask you to auto sign me up

On the other hand, maybe the auto sign-up gives that people who have no time for a collaboration are in one...

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 30 2009, 05:06 PM)

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jun 3 2009, 07:32 PM

Guys 4 more days left, see if you can submit something by then. Thanks

Posted by: wrk Jun 4 2009, 09:39 AM

Here is another take, perfectly balanced between straight and syncopated rhythms.
There might be a tiny little problem to be accepted thought ...

 Pedja_Class_4_Syncopated_not_so_serious.mp3 ( 835.24K ) : 145

Sorry, just kidding of course. I regular come back to this backing/task and was running out of ideas last night. Always play the same stuff similar to my first take. I thought to study your perfectly tabbed GP file would help to clear my mind and wake up some other ideas. Time is running out soon ...

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jun 4 2009, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (wrk @ Jun 4 2009, 10:39 AM)

Here is another take, perfectly balanced between straight and syncopated rhythms.
There might be a tiny little problem to be accepted thought ...

 Pedja_Class_4_Syncopated_not_so_serious.mp3 ( 835.24K ) : 145

Sorry, just kidding of course. I regular come back to this backing/task and was running out of ideas last night. Always play the same stuff similar to my first take. I thought to study your perfectly tabbed GP file would help to clear my mind and wake up some other ideas. Time is running out soon ...

Posted by: wrk Jun 4 2009, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jun 4 2009, 02:21 PM)

Excellent Andy this solo was WOW unbelievable haha

You should do REC on this one and Time Feel Collaboration Solo. Make sure you slide into 9 on G string and 7 on G string when you do 4ths.
Excellent

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jun 4 2009, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (wrk @ Jun 4 2009, 02:38 PM)

True, i should do some more REC videos. I practiced nearly all off your lessons (interval series and collabs), but more for theory purpose and not to record them. Will try to do this soon !!

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jun 5 2009, 05:09 PM

Ok guys , 9 takes in 10 more left with 2 days to go. I will send you PM about this as well, if you have time do it, if not I will see you in my next collaboration

Posted by: Outlaw2112 Jun 5 2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jun 5 2009, 05:09 PM)

Ok guys , 9 takes in 10 more left with 2 days to go. I will send you PM about this as well, if you have time do it, if not I will see you in my next collaboration

Posted by: Pedja Simovic Jun 6 2009, 12:54 AM

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Jun 6 2009, 12:55 AM)