Alternative Vs Economy
Chokehold
Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
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I have never before thought about the way I pick, and thought that what I did was alternative.
And a few days ago I sat down and looked at what I did. Of course it was Economy picking.

But I don't see why you would want to play Alternative picking, as Economy let's you move faster between the strings.

So is there a reason to why you would want to play Alternative, and what is good about it?

And same question about Economy Picking.

Need some answers. smile.gif

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jul 26 2009, 12:04 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7-zD2IQYTw - A very nice video by Rick Graham about economy.

Here's a question for all you definers of economy picking:

Would you say there's a difference between playing with economy picking and playing with economy of motion.

The pre-mentioned 3 note per string lick by Emir could possible me played with less motion than used in alternate picking it (I must admit I haven't really checked it out, but I'll do so in a minute). I'm sure it would be awkward as hell though.

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Alternate picking:

     |-3-| |-3-| |--3-| |--3-| |--3--| |--3--|  
     S S S S S S S S  S S S  S S  S  S S  S  S  
E||--------5-7-8--------7-8-10---------8-10-12-||
B||--5-6-8-------7-8-10--------8-10-12---------||
G||--------------------------------------------||
D||--------------------------------------------||
A||--------------------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------------||
     d u d u d u d u d  u d  u d u  d  u  d  u
           w     w      w      w       w          = 5 wasted units of energy


Economy for 1/4 note's value then alternate

     |-3-| |-3-| |--3-| |--3-| |--3--| |--3--|  
     S S S S S S S S  S S S  S S  S  S S  S  S  
E||--------5-7-8--------7-8-10---------8-10-12-||
B||--5-6-8-------7-8-10--------8-10-12---------||
G||--------------------------------------------||
D||--------------------------------------------||
A||--------------------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------------||
     d u d d u d u d u  d u d  u d   u d  u d
                 w      w      w       w          = 4 wasted units of energy


Economy of motion:

     |-3-| |-3-| |--3-| |--3-| |--3--| |--3--|  
     S S S S S S S S  S S S  S S  S  S S  S  S  
E||--------5-7-8--------7-8-10---------8-10-12-||
B||--5-6-8-------7-8-10--------8-10-12---------||
G||--------------------------------------------||
D||--------------------------------------------||
A||--------------------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------------||
     d u d d u d d u d  d u d  d u  d  d u  d
                dw            dw                  = 4 wasted units of energy (double wastex2)

Wasted unit = moving across a string without playing it.


If you have any other ways of picking it (not legatoing or hammering on), feel free to add further to the above.

Now I am not saying the two lower ones are the better ones, because I think for many they will feel more awkward, so just consider it a general analysis of wasted motion and do with it what you want wink.gif

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- Chokehold   Alternative Vs Economy   Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
- - Muris Varajic   Long time question. So, the thing is, alternate ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:10 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 21 2009, 11:10...   Jul 21 2009, 10:23 PM
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- - Emir Hot   I am personaly a fan of alternate picking but some...   Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 21 2009, 11:19 PM) ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:25 PM
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- - Fingerspasm   I usually refrain from answering technical questio...   Jul 21 2009, 10:24 PM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Fingerspasm @ Jul 21 2009, 11:24 P...   Jul 21 2009, 11:58 PM
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- - Eat-Sleep-andJam   Same thing happened to me man. Do your 1-2-3-4 ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:32 PM
- - vampire18   just wanted to add that i had the exact same probl...   Jul 22 2009, 01:10 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well, it sho...   Jul 22 2009, 01:29 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 01:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:49 AM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 02:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:23 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Chokehold @ Jul 22 2009, 03:23 PM)...   Jul 22 2009, 05:56 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Chokehold @ Jul 22 2009, 04:23 PM)...   Jul 22 2009, 06:08 PM
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- - Pedja Simovic   Emir and Muris are right! Both techniques hav...   Jul 22 2009, 11:53 AM
- - Zeyth   http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPi...   Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM) As ...   Jul 22 2009, 06:14 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 07:14 PM) ...   Jul 22 2009, 07:32 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 07:32...   Jul 22 2009, 07:42 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 08:42 PM) ...   Jul 22 2009, 09:53 PM
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- - Chokehold   Just a quick question, how long will it take until...   Jul 22 2009, 07:43 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Chokehold @ Jul 22 2009, 07:43 PM)...   Jul 22 2009, 07:49 PM
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- - Zeyth   http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPi...   Jul 22 2009, 08:00 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 08:00 PM) htt...   Jul 22 2009, 08:18 PM
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|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 08:00 PM) Any...   Jul 22 2009, 09:21 PM
|- - Zeyth   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 09:21 PM) ...   Jul 22 2009, 09:34 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 09:34 PM) He ...   Jul 22 2009, 09:58 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 09:58 PM) ...   Jul 22 2009, 10:02 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 22 2009, 10:02 PM) Di...   Jul 22 2009, 10:04 PM
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- - lcsdds   Not trying to be a jerk Zeyth.....but I don't ...   Jul 22 2009, 09:02 PM
|- - Zeyth   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 22 2009, 09:02 PM) No...   Jul 22 2009, 09:08 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 09:08 PM) Ah,...   Jul 22 2009, 09:14 PM
|- - Zeyth   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 22 2009, 09:14 PM) Bu...   Jul 22 2009, 09:22 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 09:22 PM) Add...   Jul 22 2009, 09:32 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 10:22 PM) Add...   Jul 22 2009, 09:57 PM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   When you play economy, you always compromise sound...   Jul 23 2009, 07:12 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Vasilije Vukmirovic @ Jul 23 2009, 07...   Jul 23 2009, 08:11 PM
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- - Jose Mena   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 23 2009, 03:11 PM) Wh...   Jul 23 2009, 08:24 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Jul 23 2009, 09:24 PM)...   Jul 23 2009, 10:39 PM
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- - Ivan Zecic   Instead of discussing advantages and disadvantages...   Jul 23 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Jenbu   well I use alternate picking but, when im playing ...   Jul 24 2009, 10:10 PM
|- - Muris Varajic   QUOTE (Jenbu @ Jul 24 2009, 11:10 PM) wel...   Jul 25 2009, 02:49 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 25 2009, 02:49...   Jul 25 2009, 05:00 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   I use it....when I use it.   Jul 25 2009, 07:35 AM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   yeah, neoclassical metal uses tons of arpeggios so...   Jul 24 2009, 10:34 PM
- - Sami   I'm sorry to be totally off topic, but i read ...   Jul 24 2009, 11:02 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Sami @ Jul 24 2009, 11:02 PM) I...   Jul 25 2009, 10:44 PM
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- - Oxac   @ Zeyth. You need to be critical of your sources. ...   Jul 25 2009, 08:34 AM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jul 26 2009, 12...   Jul 26 2009, 12:07 PM
|- - Caelumamittendum   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 26 2009, 01:07 PM) ...   Jul 26 2009, 12:12 PM
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- - Oxac   I think the guy missed that 2 downstrokes in a row...   Jul 26 2009, 01:04 PM
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