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Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 02:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4sk8Eyy-ns. the lyrics are very inspiring to me, and i get chills every time i hear the guitar solo. definetly one of my favorite songs.

Posted by: Toni Suominen Feb 25 2008, 02:46 PM

Definitely a great song, one of the best on the new Arch Enemy record! smile.gif

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 02:52 PM

I'm afraid Arch Enemy are not Death Metal.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 08:52 AM) *
I'm afraid Arch Enemy are not Death Metal.

im afraid thats just your opinion.

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 25 2008, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 07:52 AM) *
I'm afraid Arch Enemy are not Death Metal.


Ummm, yeah they are. Melodic death metal is what they're officially categorized as, I think.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Feb 25 2008, 03:34 PM

amazing stuff.. her vocals are impressive smile.gif.. was this the last album fredrik recorded before he went to opeth? or was it the new (old) guitarist?

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Feb 25 2008, 02:31 PM) *
Ummm, yeah they are. Melodic death metal is what they're officially categorized as, I think.

They aren't Death Metal. Nile are Death metal, Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Carcass.

Arch Enemy are not Death Metal in any form.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 03:39 PM

I'm not saying they are bad by the way. I don't mind the odd song. I'm just saying that calling them Death Metal is laughable because they aren't.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 09:39 AM) *
I'm not saying they are bad by the way. I don't mind the odd song. I'm just saying that calling them Death Metal is laughable because they aren't.

Their melodic death metal. just because you think their not, doesn't make it true.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 02:50 PM) *
Their melodic death metal. just because you think their not, doesn't make it true.

Thay aren't Death Metal because all their songs aren't about Death. So how are they Death Metal?

Posted by: superize Feb 25 2008, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Thay aren't Death Metal because all their songs aren't about Death. So how are they Death Metal?


Do you have to sing about death to be called death metal

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 09:53 AM) *
Thay aren't Death Metal because all their songs aren't about Death. So how are they Death Metal?

Wow. just wow. niles songs arent all about death either. if thats how you classify death metal, then i guess no band is death metal, because most, if not all, bands write songs about a wide range of topics. if i wanted to listen to songs about all one thing, i could listen to gangtsa rap, but i dont.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (superize @ Feb 25 2008, 02:56 PM) *
Do you have to sing about death to be called death metal

Yes, as that is where the phrase Death Metal came from. From the bands Death and Possessed. Songs like Zombie Ritual, Infernal Death, Scream Bloody Gore, Evil Dead, Open Casket, Death Metal etc. The genre was called Death Metal because of the lyrics. Hence Arch Enemy aren't Death Metal.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 04:00 PM

again, death had songs covering a wide range of topics. just because you have an opinion, doesnt make it universal truth. i did not start this thread to argue about this, i started it to discuss how much i love this band.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 02:56 PM) *
Wow. just wow. niles songs arent all about death either. if thats how you classify death metal, then i guess no band is death metal, because most, if not all, bands write songs about a wide range of topics. if i wanted to listen to songs about all one thing, i could listen to gangtsa rap, but i dont.

They are classed as Death Metal because a large portion of what they sing about is about the Book of the Dead and Death in Egyptian times. Egypt back in the times they were singing about were dark times. Hence why they get branched in Death Metal. Dying Fetus, Possessed, Death, Pestilence, Massacre, Carcass etc are all Death Metal because most of their songs were about the dead.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 03:00 PM) *
again, death had songs covering a wide range of topics. just because you have an opinion, doesnt make it universal truth. i did not start this thread to argue about this, i started it to discuss how much i love this band.

Death changed from being Death Metal and were a Technical Metal band after Spiritual Healing.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 04:03 PM

I've told you why they aren't classed as Death Metal so why do you think they are?

I think you'll find with research that Death Metal was formed because of the lyrical content.

I hate bands being categorised in the wrong areas because calling Arch Enemy a death metal band will keep lots away from listening to them. They are just a Heavy Metal Band or Extreme Metal Band. Death Metal they aint. It isn't my opinion it is from musical history.

Posted by: ZakkWylde Feb 25 2008, 04:15 PM

We know your point of view now so please stop triple posting your opinion.

Posted by: Smikey2006 Feb 25 2008, 04:31 PM

i don't know if i would classic Arch Enemy as deathmetal but i also don't agree with OrganizedConfusions idea that death metal bands sing primarily about death. I classify death metal by mostly the Blastbeat drums, deep growling vocals and alot of tremelo picking and low drop tunings, i believe arch enemy are a little soft to be "Death Metal" but they do have very dark vocals which may make people think they are "death metal" I would classify Arch Enemy as a more " New Age Thrash" with bands like Shadows Fall, Trivium and Children of Bodom, or i would again classify them as a Melodic Death Metal or just a light Death Metal.

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 04:38 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 06:38 AM) *
They aren't Death Metal. Nile are Death metal, Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Carcass.

Arch Enemy are not Death Metal in any form.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 06:53 AM) *
Thay aren't Death Metal because all their songs aren't about Death. So how are they Death Metal?


What? They are melodic death metal based on there MUSIC, not there lyrics.

That makes no sense at all, Death metal doesnt have to be about Death, thats crazy. And No, a large portion of Niles come from MANY books of Egyptian history and mythology, The book of the dead is just one.

It is FACT, that you dont have to sing about death to be called death metal, Arch Enemy IS melodic death metal, there is no changing it.

Death, well they have plenty songs about life, so because they sing about something else suddenly they aren't death metal? Death metal isnt a lyrical genre, its a musical genre, its classified based on its sound. Sure, the early death metal acts like Cannibal Corpse, Death and so on, has a large portion of songs abotu gore and death, but the genre evolved.

I'm sorry, im all for respecting opinions, but it is pure FACT that you can sing about anythign you want, and STILL be death metal, you dont have to sing about just death to be death metal, it makes no sense.

You would be classifying countless death metal bands as somethign else, Death didnt become technical metal, Thats not even a genre, its a description, every genre of metal has technical bands.

QUOTE (superize @ Feb 25 2008, 06:56 AM) *
Do you have to sing about death to be called death metal

Absolutely Not

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 07:03 AM) *
It isn't my opinion it is from musical history.


Music also evolves, and its exactly what you said.....HISTORY....Thats what it was, not what it is. The genre has evolved, plain and simple.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 04:59 PM

Death Metal started out with only songs about Death and gore based lyrics. That is how it started out. Yeah it evolves but Arch Enemy are too soft to be classed as Death Metal whatever the case anyway. Modern Death Metal is stuff like Decrepit Birth, Odius Mortem and Necrophagist. All of those bands are FAR heavier than Arch Enemy and therefore however you look at it they aren't death metal. And I still stick with the fact Death Metal was called what it was because of the lyrics. Look at Death's first 3 albums. Every song about Death and Gore. They moved on to more spiritual stuff and that is when people started classing them as a Technical Metal band rather than a Death Metal Band. They progressed.

I don't think saying they aren't death metal is an opinion as it is based on the first meaning of Death Metal but I can't be arsed with this thread anymore as its boring me. If you want to think they are melodic Death metal then go ahead.

Posted by: Fsgdjv Feb 25 2008, 05:20 PM

Wow.. Well, I agree that Melodic Death MEtal has nothing to do with other forms of death metal, but you don't have to sing about death to be a death metal band. That's just a fact.

And, I clicked the link and watched that video, I had forgotten how horrible Angela Glossow's vocals were, and well. I don't wanna bash her too much or anything, and I know it's a matyter of taste, but I have not heard something worse than that. It is only me or is she getting all that attention since she's a girl?

Posted by: The Spartan Feb 25 2008, 05:21 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Enemy_(band)

look under the Background information...I guess that would solve the issue.

that song is sooo much fun to play btw \m/

oh n I forgot something...ARCH ENEMY RULES biggrin.gif

Posted by: Spreedmaster Feb 25 2008, 05:35 PM

Metal classification makes my head spin tongue.gif . I keep it simple and classify meatl in two genres: Hella-sweet and sucktastic! Makes life simpler. cool.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 10:59 AM) *
Death Metal started out with only songs about Death and gore based lyrics. That is how it started out. Yeah it evolves but Arch Enemy are too soft to be classed as Death Metal whatever the case anyway. Modern Death Metal is stuff like Decrepit Birth, Odius Mortem and Necrophagist. All of those bands are FAR heavier than Arch Enemy and therefore however you look at it they aren't death metal. And I still stick with the fact Death Metal was called what it was because of the lyrics. Look at Death's first 3 albums. Every song about Death and Gore. They moved on to more spiritual stuff and that is when people started classing them as a Technical Metal band rather than a Death Metal Band. They progressed.

I don't think saying they aren't death metal is an opinion as it is based on the first meaning of Death Metal but I can't be arsed with this thread anymore as its boring me. If you want to think they are melodic Death metal then go ahead.

first off, i created this thread to discuss this song, i did not create it so you could ram your opinion down our throats. if anyone wants to comment on this song, please do, otherwise i will ask a moderator to lock this thread.

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 06:50 PM

Im sorry for getting so far off topic, lets just accept our different opinions.

Sorry if i stirred things up Guitarman, The song is great, the lyrics are awesome, they are very inspiring to me


I also love Angela Gossows vocals, i just love the texture and sound of them!

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 07:08 PM

My opinion: Awful song, awful lyrics, appaling singing

Fact: They aren't Death Metal. They are Death Metal for posers who can't handle the real deal and say they like Death Metal to try and be cool.

Sorry for knowing more about music than you.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Feb 25 2008, 12:50 PM) *
Im sorry for getting so far off topic, lets just accept our different opinions.

Sorry if i stirred things up Guitarman, The song is great, the lyrics are awesome, they are very inspiring to me


I also love Angela Gossows vocals, i just love the texture and sound of them!

Your not the one who stirred things up. wink.gif anyway, i just download some of their earlier stuff and i have to say i prefer Angela on vocals, she has a really great voice.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 07:09 PM

Why are the vocals so high in the mix?

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:11 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 01:08 PM) *
My opinion: Awful song, awful lyrics, appaling singing

Fact: They aren't Death Metal. They are Death Metal for posers who can't handle the real deal and say they like Death Metal to try and be cool.

Sorry for knowing more about music than you.

thats it. if your going to be an ass, ill ask andrew to lock this thread.

Posted by: Andrew Cockburn Feb 25 2008, 07:16 PM

I'm not locking this thread ... yet.

Please be civil about this - if people disagree with you that is not an insult, it just means that they don't agree. It is NOT grounds for an argument.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 25 2008, 06:16 PM) *
I'm not locking this thread ... yet.

Please be civil about this - if people disagree with you that is not an insult, it just means that they don't agree. It is NOT grounds for an argument.

Thank you. People have different views.

Please somebody answer me this though. Does anybody else think the vocals are way too high in the mix on that song?

Posted by: ZakkWylde Feb 25 2008, 07:31 PM

It's the same mix like in the rest of the album. Maybe what you hear is that the vocals are not dubbed like on previous records.

Posted by: steve25 Feb 25 2008, 07:36 PM

Arch Enemy are great. 6 Months ago i thought they were just an OK band, but this album blows me away and this is definitely one of my favorite tracks on the album. The amotts rule!

As for the style, i do think this is melodic death as well. Which is a different genre anyway just built from death metal or inspired by? I'm not quite sure which one but yeah that's what i think.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:36 PM

Its angelas singing style. personally i like it.
Edit: having different views is fine, but i am NOT a "poser",and theres no way you can tell if you know more about music than me. im done with this thread, its not what i intended it to be. dry.gif

Posted by: Fsgdjv Feb 25 2008, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 07:08 PM) *
My opinion: Awful song, awful lyrics, appaling singing

Fact: They aren't Death Metal. They are Death Metal for posers who can't handle the real deal and say they like Death Metal to try and be cool.

Sorry for knowing more about music than you.

Well, you still have to agree on the fact that they are melodic death metal? Something that has nothing on common with death metal, but still has a similar name (for no apparent reason).

And I think the whole elitist thing is quite silly anyways, even if someone mixes up genres, it's useless to try and prove a point, since there is no ultimate truth when it comes to things like that.

And, I also agree that the vocals are really high in the mix, but I guess it's something you get used to if you listen to it a lot

EDIT: And I really can't find anything about them that makes them strike me as posers.

Posted by: kyldeee Feb 25 2008, 07:55 PM

I like all Melodic (Death) Metal, or whatever you wan't to call it, not here to pick a fight. But I don't like Angelas singing, but that's just me. I do love the music and the solo is great smile.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 01:08 PM) *
My opinion: Awful song, awful lyrics, appaling singing

Fact: They aren't Death Metal. They are Death Metal for posers who can't handle the real deal and say they like Death Metal to try and be cool.

Sorry for knowing more about music than you.


Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 25 2008, 06:57 PM) *

I'm 6 foot 5 so my head is probably up in the clouds most the time biggrin.gif

Sorry. I get annoyed with genres as I've done a lot of research in the area over the last 10 to 15 years to find as many decent bands in every genre as I can and buy as many as I can so I can talk to people about decent music.

I'm sorry for saying that to you ok but I just think they are Heavy Metal or a newer evolved version of thrash metal so no need to argue over something little. I'm sorry if I offended or annoyed you.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Feb 25 2008, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 02:06 PM) *
I'm 6 foot 5 so my head is probably up in the clouds most the time biggrin.gif

Sorry. I get annoyed with genres as I've done a lot of research in the area over the last 10 to 15 years to find as many decent bands in every genre as I can and buy as many as I can so I can talk to people about decent music.

I'm sorry for saying that to you ok but I just think they are Heavy Metal or a newer evolved version of thrash metal so no need to argue over something little. I'm sorry if I offended or annoyed you.

Thats ok. apology accepted, lets just agree do disagree. wink.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 08:14 PM



Anyway, Lets accept our differences, And DROP this.

Posted by: MickeM Feb 25 2008, 08:15 PM

Well done, the issue is resolved I take it. Please discuss the thread originators topic - No hijacking. Genres of metal can be suitable for a friendly discussion in another thread.

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 08:37 PM

Anyway, I have to say im extremely pleased with the new album. The guitar tone is a bit fresher, and i was thrilled to know Christopher Amott came back in, i love his soloing style, and the way it compliments his brother, Michael.

My favorite songs have gotta be "Blood On Your Hands", "Revolution Begins", "The Day You Died", "The Great Darkness", "Vultures" and "Night Falls Fast".

Posted by: Robin Feb 25 2008, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Feb 25 2008, 03:38 PM) *
They aren't Death Metal. Nile are Death metal, Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Carcass.

Arch Enemy are not Death Metal in any form.

Gotta agree with you there. Not saying they are bad though.


Edit: guess i joined this little discussion a bit late, ignore me.

Posted by: SLASH91 Feb 25 2008, 08:44 PM

I actually like her vocals, and it's not just "cause she's a girl"

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Feb 25 2008, 08:47 PM

I always get mixed up between Chris and Michael smile.gif Which one has the ESP deal and which one has the Caparison deal?

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 08:50 PM

Michael has the ESP deal, and Chris has the Caparison.


Although i love V's, I would take that Caparison, its so sexy wub.gif

Posted by: FretDancer69 Feb 25 2008, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Feb 25 2008, 10:20 AM) *
Wow.. Well, I agree that Melodic Death MEtal has nothing to do with other forms of death metal, but you don't have to sing about death to be a death metal band. That's just a fact.

And, I clicked the link and watched that video, I had forgotten how horrible Angela Glossow's vocals were, and well. I don't wanna bash her too much or anything, and I know it's a matyter of taste, but I have not heard something worse than that. It is only me or is she getting all that attention since she's a girl?


No man, i also hate her vocals, i just cant stand them, same for the same type of vocals. None the less, she is hot tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: VinceG Feb 25 2008, 10:44 PM

I never really liked Angela's vocals or Arch Enemy in general. I never found anything "OMG" appeal to them. Johan was a better singer for me but still doesn't change anything for me as more than a casual listen.

How did they became so popular anyway? is it because of Angela in general?

Posted by: The Uncreator Feb 25 2008, 11:28 PM

I dont think it was because of Angela, They caught some flak in the beginning with her in the band, and didnt make it to there current popularity (at least here in the states) until Doomsday Machine, there second album with her.

Its just a different opinions, i know a lot of people that dont like the vocals, but like the music, maybe thats it?

Either way, ive been a fan of them for about 4 years now, and i cant get enough smile.gif

Posted by: Smikey2006 Feb 26 2008, 01:15 AM

personally i love the vocals.. its just a different kind of evil for me smile.gif i love the guitar work to.. i think the amott combo is awsome smile.gif i have a poster of gossow on my wall smile.gif arch enemy was 1 of my first favorite metal bands smile.gif

Posted by: Trond Vold Feb 26 2008, 01:45 AM

I'm a big fan of Arch Enemy, but I do prefer the 2 first albums she did with Arch Enemy the most though.

In my ears, the songs on the 2 last albums tend to sound alot alike.

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