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Posted by: DenisN Mar 7 2010, 09:29 PM
Hello GMC-ers!
I have a Digitech RP255 multiefect which I use for practicing and rehearsals. It has built in possibilities to combine pedals, effects, amps etc.
The first thing that I'm having problem with is the sound at rehearsal. When I plug it in into the amp the tone i very lound even if the knob is turned to1. On 2 or higher it is really too loud. The apm is a 100W fender devile. I don't know if the output sgnal is to high and if this can damage the amp? Should I use only the pedal effect and leave the amp modeling out?
The second thing is that I as soon the cymbals kick in my sound completely disappears. I know theat the guitar is a ''middle'' instrument and I really push the middle high up 6-7, the bas is around 0-1 and the treble 0. I also decreased the gain but still I get eaten up somehow and can't hear anything I'm playing. This is really getting frustrating because I just can't solve ti.
So, any advice would be great! 
BR,
Denis
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 7 2010, 10:04 PM
If you are using an amp you should try turning off the amp modeling on the digitech. You should have a overall volume adjucment on the unit right? Set it to a normal level (somewhere in the middle I guess). Regarding bass middle treble, you should start with having all 3 of them in neutral (flat position - 5). Increase mids to cut through the mix better but you should not be lacking in other frequencies as well. And if your sound completely dissappears when playing in a room with a drummer, maybe you want to incriease the volume of your amp a bit to better match the drums.
I have a Digitech RP255 multiefect which I use for practicing and rehearsals. It has built in possibilities to combine pedals, effects, amps etc.
The first thing that I'm having problem with is the sound at rehearsal. When I plug it in into the amp the tone i very lound even if the knob is turned to1. On 2 or higher it is really too loud. The apm is a 100W fender devile. I don't know if the output sgnal is to high and if this can damage the amp? Should I use only the pedal effect and leave the amp modeling out?
The second thing is that I as soon the cymbals kick in my sound completely disappears. I know theat the guitar is a ''middle'' instrument and I really push the middle high up 6-7, the bas is around 0-1 and the treble 0. I also decreased the gain but still I get eaten up somehow and can't hear anything I'm playing. This is really getting frustrating because I just can't solve ti.
So, any advice would be great!
BR,
Denis
Posted by: ZakkWylde Mar 7 2010, 10:11 PM
Sounds like the drummer has an unbalanced drumkit! If everything else is on the same level and the cymbals are too loud he should dampen them a little by putting some tape under them...
Posted by: Conrad Harpham Mar 7 2010, 10:17 PM
try not to mix the amp modelling with the effects unit - for example, if you have the gain on the amp, boosted by a gain on the floor unit it can lead to some curious tones - i would go for gain on the amp, supported by some delay /chorus on the digitech. At the end of the day IMO, you cant beat the sound of a good amp on its own.
Posted by: MickeM Mar 7 2010, 10:45 PM
Perhaps you have a volume knob next to the output which adjusts the level. Check if there's one and that it's not turned up too loud.
Posted by: Adrian Figallo Mar 8 2010, 01:47 AM
also, put ur amp as tall as you can (pointing to your head), maybe ur freq are getting lost in the way 
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Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Mar 8 2010, 03:23 AM
Some good advices here, and all should be tested definitely. One more to add is that you use the footswitch from the Deville, so you use drive channel from it, and just use effects from digitech, but putting it into FX Loop of the Deville. If you are maxed out and the drummer is still loud, perhaps you can tell him to play a bit softer. Be careful tho, drummers can be a bit strange about this matter (dunno why) 
Posted by: opeth.db Mar 8 2010, 04:26 AM
I have a Digitech RP255 multiefect which I use for practicing and rehearsals. It has built in possibilities to combine pedals, effects, amps etc.
The first thing that I'm having problem with is the sound at rehearsal. When I plug it in into the amp the tone i very lound even if the knob is turned to1. On 2 or higher it is really too loud. The apm is a 100W fender devile. I don't know if the output sgnal is to high and if this can damage the amp? Should I use only the pedal effect and leave the amp modeling out?
The second thing is that I as soon the cymbals kick in my sound completely disappears. I know theat the guitar is a ''middle'' instrument and I really push the middle high up 6-7, the bas is around 0-1 and the treble 0. I also decreased the gain but still I get eaten up somehow and can't hear anything I'm playing. This is really getting frustrating because I just can't solve ti.
So, any advice would be great!
BR,
Denis
Sounds like you may have it plugged into the pre-amp plug on the amp?
Posted by: Damir Puh Mar 8 2010, 10:49 AM
Your Deville has FX loop, right? If that's the case, I would plug the processor in the "Return" jack of the amp, leave all the modeling on, and control the volume from the FX unit. You'll get much cleaner sound this way, and the chance is, you'll cut more through the mix!
Posted by: opeth.db Mar 8 2010, 04:15 PM
FX Loop. Thats what I meant.
Posted by: DenisN Mar 9 2010, 07:52 AM
Hi Guys!
Tnx for all the support. I really appreciate your input.
I don't actually know if the deville has an fx loop. The place we play at is rented for a couple of hours with the gear so I never had a realy good chance to sit infront of it and pick on it. On the Internet it states that it does but I must say I didn't see it- which means I plugged everithing into the input 
. So first of all I will try to plug everithing into the FX. I read about the order in which you have to place the effects/pedals , but din't know it is so important- 
Second, I will try to use just the distottion without the amp modeling.
Third, tell the drummer his cymbals are too loud- IMPOSSIBLE
BR,
Denis
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Mar 9 2010, 03:34 PM
Tnx for all the support. I really appreciate your input.
I don't actually know if the deville has an fx loop. The place we play at is rented for a couple of hours with the gear so I never had a realy good chance to sit infront of it and pick on it. On the Internet it states that it does but I must say I didn't see it- which means I plugged everithing into the input
. So first of all I will try to plug everithing into the FX. I read about the order in which you have to place the effects/pedals , but din't know it is so important- Second, I will try to use just the distottion without the amp modeling.
Third, tell the drummer his cymbals are too loud- IMPOSSIBLE
BR,
Denis
Mu suggestion is to try to go into studio a bit earlier than everybody, perhaps you will have 10 minutes to try everything until everybody else get ready. Regarding the cymbal issue, they can really be annoying, specially if you stand next to them. Try to raise the amp, or at least move it so you can hear it better, and find a place in the studio where you get the best balance of sound. It's usually in the center of the studio.
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 9 2010, 06:19 PM
Its important to get to know the amp (download users manual online etc).
When setting up the sound in studio I would suggest doing it in this order:
1 - have the drummer playing a groove at his normal volume level (including hitting the cymbals)
2 - have the bass player jam along and set his bass amp in relation to the drums
3 - setup guitar amps sound and volume in relation to bass player and drummer
4 - setup keyborads/vocals in relation to everything else
Posted by: sted Mar 10 2010, 03:14 PM
Haha! Im always telling our drummer to hit harder! Nobody drowns me out!!
Posted by: Ivan Milenkovic Mar 11 2010, 03:50 PM
It's an interesting point what our producer once said, when you tell drummers to hit loud, they start to hit a bit faster as well, and when you tell them to hit fast, they hit a bit louder - heavy science those drums!
Posted by: Bogdan Radovic Mar 24 2010, 08:29 PM
Hehehe what's wrong with hard hitting drummers! I really hate when listening to a drummer playing a groove and then going to do a fill and playing everything right but really softly. It just doesn't sound right And thing with those hard hitting drummers - they can always hit even harder so they are not on the dynamics max heheh
Posted by: Marcus Siepen Mar 25 2010, 07:21 PM
Drummers have to hit hard, thats their job And the job of your amp is to make your guitar even louder
About the connections, definitely do NOT plug your digitech device into the input of the "real" amp, this will never sound good I guess. Check if it has an effect loop (it should have a send and a return jack on the back), in that case use the return jack, this should improve things a lot.
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