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Feb 1 2008, 09:37 PM
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The progression for the blues is usually a 12 bar blues progression. It goes like this:
I - IV - I - I - IV - IV - I - I - V - IV - I - V Every roman number represents a chord played over one bar (four beats). In blues you can put other chords off course, but classic blues progression involves only these three chords. If you play a run from other note than A over Aminor scale, it will be a mode of that scale. A scale is an array of notes played from the first one, to the same one in a higher registry (octave higher). I will ask you to please go and read the post about modes more carefully and see if it makes some sense, because I explained there pretty well how the modes are built. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 2 2008, 03:28 AM
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(Sorry to butt in Ivan!)
The modes we talk about are generaly more accurately called "Modes of the major scale" - other scales such as pentatonic have their own completely separate modes, some have names other just numbers. E.g Mode II of the pentatonic minor scale is actually Penatatonic Major, then you have Mode III, Mode IV and Mode V. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Feb 2 2008, 11:26 AM
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No problem at all Andrew, a help from an expert is always needed
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Feb 2 2008, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 2 2008, 05:26 AM)  No problem at all Andrew, a help from an expert is always needed Thanks Ivan you are a gentleman! QUOTE (Coram Deo @ Feb 1 2008, 10:02 PM) Right on! I'll try to get a handle on the major modes first, but thats good to know. I don't think I have ever seen a post or lesson on the pentatonic modes, are there any? If not maybe there should be. Thanks for the response! Modes of the pentatonic scale are generally less musically useful than the major modes so you don't see much of the apart from the Major Pentatonic. However, some modes of other scales are in somewhat more common use, for instance, Phrygian Dominant, which is used occasionally in neo classical and progressive is actually Mode V of the Harmonic minor scale. There are literally hundreds of modes and scale sout there, its fun to pick one and write a song around it - an interesting way to get some inspiration
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Feb 2 2008, 02:25 PM
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Ah yes, the good ol` Phrygian/Dominant scale
I call it Phrygian/Mixolydian since I learned that way out of local theory books, but it's the same thing basically. I've just done a little lesson using this one in one Macedonian folklore song, it should be out pretty soon.
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Feb 2 2008, 02:40 PM
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Yes, I don't think there are set names for some of these - Dominant means minor 7th, and Mixolydian has a minor 7th as well, so it is just as good a name
Looking forward to that lesson, should be very cool!! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jan 27 2009, 01:13 PM
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Hi Ivan,
As you're discussing modes, can I just ask something? The triads build on the Ionian mode (major scale) are MmmMMmd. Are the chords built on the other modes altered because of the different interval patterns or are they the same, but just in a different order? (Could we have a theory section on 'Modes for Dummies'?). Modes were a bit of a mystery to me, but they are beginning to make sense. I couldn't get my head around the fact that all of the modes contain the same notes given one particular tonality (ie C major, D dorian, E phrygian etc). These all contain the notes CDEFGAB, so I thought, how can we know when we're playing in a certain mode, we seem to be playing in ALL modes simultaneously!! It seems that it's the emphasis of the root note, and its relationship with the other notes in the scale, especially the 3rd and 5th, and the chords built on the scale notes - see above! On the subject of blues, I've got my work cut out at the moment, as I've started concentrating on mastering the blues lessons in GMC, and this has made me realise blues is not just a minor pentatonic played ad-lib over a I-IV-V chord sequence. More's the pity!! I let Ivan know in a separate thread, but if anyone's interested, check out http://12bar.de/index.php for a really helpful site about all things blues, including some note for note analysis of some classic blues songs. I've discovered from studying the GMC blues lessons and this other site that it's a REALLY GOOD IDEA to learn the notes on the fretboard, along with the minor AND major pentatonic patterns, so that you can swap between the two at will. Anybody out there got any suggestions how to speed up the process of learning the fret notes?! I'm trying to do it a string at a time, but it's really easy just to sit there going "B, C, D, E, F, G, A, B...". Not that helpful, as I'm just reciting the alphabet!! Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!! How about hypnotism? Thanks! Kevin |
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Jan 29 2009, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE As you're discussing modes, can I just ask something? The triads build on the Ionian mode (major scale) are MmmMMmd. Are the chords built on the other modes altered because of the different interval patterns or are they the same, but just in a different order? (Could we have a theory section on 'Modes for Dummies'?). Modes were a bit of a mystery to me, but they are beginning to make sense. They are the same, only in a different order. Different interval patterns don't affect the chordal build in that way that they chords are changed. Chords shift along with the intervals in parallel, so they remain the same. QUOTE I couldn't get my head around the fact that all of the modes contain the same notes given one particular tonality (ie C major, D dorian, E phrygian etc). These all contain the notes CDEFGAB, so I thought, how can we know when we're playing in a certain mode, we seem to be playing in ALL modes simultaneously!! It seems that it's the emphasis of the root note, and its relationship with the other notes in the scale, especially the 3rd and 5th, and the chords built on the scale notes - see above! That's exactly right mate. The emphasis is on the strong notes of the scale - the notes that are building the harmony. Different voicings of the modes can help you create different vibes on top of the harmony, so you can mix modes in different keys to create modal solo. If you have major chord, there are three major modes that you can use, so you mix, and see where it takes you. And yes - you have to know all the modes in all the keys perfectly! QUOTE On the subject of blues, I've got my work cut out at the moment, as I've started concentrating on mastering the blues lessons in GMC, and this has made me realise blues is not just a minor pentatonic played ad-lib over a I-IV-V chord sequence. More's the pity!! I let Ivan know in a separate thread, but if anyone's interested, check out http://12bar.de/index.php for a really helpful site about all things blues, including some note for note analysis of some classic blues songs. You are on the right path mate, your conclusions are good! Blues is definitely not all about minor pentatonic scale! it's about expressing your feelings and making a positive stand about life, although life is hard. You tell that story, a blues story of yours so the audience can hear it. Blues is the feeling, the vibe, it is connected by the name with the "blues" music, but blues is something more than that. Traditional to modern blues music has changed and evolved a lot, and you can check out the blues article on wikipedia, it is great for knowing the essence of the blues music. QUOTE I've discovered from studying the GMC blues lessons and this other site that it's a REALLY GOOD IDEA to learn the notes on the fretboard, along with the minor AND major pentatonic patterns, so that you can swap between the two at will. Anybody out there got any suggestions how to speed up the process of learning the fret notes?! I'm trying to do it a string at a time, but it's really easy just to sit there going "B, C, D, E, F, G, A, B...". Not that helpful, as I'm just reciting the alphabet!! Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!! How about hypnotism? Learning notes on the neck requires time and patience, so I suggest you spend some time learning the notes horizontally and vertically, and then try to nail the tone you want. It may take several months but it is well worth it, just like you said mate. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 6 2009, 04:43 PM
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Hello Ivan,
i have a question about the minor third interval in the D minor chord/ C major scale... Why is the A on the 3rd string a minor note? Why can't it be a major note? I will send you the link: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/chords...rd-basics/#last It's in the 5th video,1:51minutes. Thanks and sorry if there was the same question earlier! Best regards, Goran --------------------  |
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Feb 9 2009, 01:15 AM
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This A note in the D major chord is not a minor or major interval. Chord is made from:
1. Root 2. Third 3. Fifth In D minor chord we have: 1. D 2. F 3. A F is the third interval and it can be major or minor. A is the fifth interval and it a perfect interval that doesn't have a major or minor character. Check out this theory article about intervals it may clarify some things a bit mate. If yo have any questions please ask. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 10 2009, 01:47 AM
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Hey man,
Dorian mode, and blues scale are the ones that you can use very effectively in the blues. Also blues is about mixing the major and minor pentatonic scales together. Have you tried that perhaps? -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jun 23 2010, 04:47 PM
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Hello,any exemple for mixolydian mode over menor chord? very thanks.
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Jun 27 2010, 08:10 PM
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Hello,
Mixolydian mode has major third interval, and minor chord has minor third interval. Using the specific mixolydian note array over minor chord, will shift the focus out of the mixolydian root note to 2nd, 5th and 6th degree of the scale, depending what note of these is the base for forming the minor chord. For example take C major key: V degree is G, mixolydian mode minor chord in C major key: Dm, Em, Am Play Am chord and over that mixolydian up and down and you will see that the focus will shift from G to A (2nd degree of mixo mode). It's natural that we perceive music like that, chords are guiding us to certain notes, and vice versa - certain melodies guide us to certain chords. This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Jun 27 2010, 08:12 PM -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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