Alternative Vs Economy
Chokehold
Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
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I have never before thought about the way I pick, and thought that what I did was alternative.
And a few days ago I sat down and looked at what I did. Of course it was Economy picking.

But I don't see why you would want to play Alternative picking, as Economy let's you move faster between the strings.

So is there a reason to why you would want to play Alternative, and what is good about it?

And same question about Economy Picking.

Need some answers. smile.gif

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Zeyth
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http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPicking.aspx
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"And no, you cannot play everything with economy,
try 2nps patterns like pentatonic runs and you'll realize."

I'd say the picking pattern for that would simply be the same for alternate and economy picking.
And since there are virtuosos who use alternate picking, and virtuosos who use economy picking, I'd think it's more of a choice, or taste, than anything else.

"fast 16th triplets licks you would realize that there is probably no human being that could posibly execute that with economy picking"

As economy picking has less wasted motion, shouldn't it, theoretically, be possible to play faster using economy picking than alternate picking?
Then again, I think that just comes down to practice laugh.gif

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QUOTE (Zeyth @ Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM) *
As economy picking has less wasted motion, shouldn't it, theoretically, be possible to play faster using economy picking than alternate picking?
Then again, I think that just comes down to practice laugh.gif


I don't know what level you are but I am pretty sure that no person can economy pick this in 160bpm, 16th triplets


|-3-| |-3-| |--3-| |--3-| |--3--| |--3--|
S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
E||--------5-7-8--------7-8-10---------8-10-12-||
B||--5-6-8-------7-8-10--------8-10-12---------||
G||--------------------------------------------||
D||--------------------------------------------||
A||--------------------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------------||


Even is someone is able to do it I think that's ridiculous to waste time practicing like that when AP is much easier and sounds better in these situations

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Muris Varajic
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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Jul 22 2009, 07:14 PM) *
I don't know what level you are but I am pretty sure that no person can economy pick this in 160bpm, 16th triplets


|-3-| |-3-| |--3-| |--3-| |--3--| |--3--|
S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
E||--------5-7-8--------7-8-10---------8-10-12-||
B||--5-6-8-------7-8-10--------8-10-12---------||
G||--------------------------------------------||
D||--------------------------------------------||
A||--------------------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------------||


Even is someone is able to do it I think that's ridiculous to waste time practicing like that when AP is much easier and sounds better in these situations


Well, that kind of lick just isn't made to work with economy bro.
You can sweep between B and E strings once but then you'll get stuck by
downstroke on 3rd note on high E.
That's born for alternate. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (lcsdds @ Jul 22 2009, 07:28 PM) *
So true Muris. One thing I remember you saying when I was debating about sticking with economy or working on alternate picking was you said that with economy it was "show me the lick".....you have to "design' your licks to work with economy. With alternate I think if you break down the mechanics and get those different pick strokes that occur when changing strings down that alternate is a much better technique. I definitely didn't think this until you really started helping me with my AP. Thanks for that Muris.......\m/\m/


Yeah, economy most often works with "prepared" licks
and with any kind of uneven notes per string runs, cheers. smile.gif

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- Chokehold   Alternative Vs Economy   Jul 21 2009, 10:02 PM
- - Muris Varajic   Long time question. So, the thing is, alternate ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:10 PM
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- - Emir Hot   I am personaly a fan of alternate picking but some...   Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM
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- - Fingerspasm   I usually refrain from answering technical questio...   Jul 21 2009, 10:24 PM
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- - Eat-Sleep-andJam   Same thing happened to me man. Do your 1-2-3-4 ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:32 PM
- - vampire18   just wanted to add that i had the exact same probl...   Jul 22 2009, 01:10 AM
|- - Muris Varajic   You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well, it sho...   Jul 22 2009, 01:29 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 01:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:49 AM
|- - Chokehold   QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Jul 22 2009, 02:29...   Jul 22 2009, 03:23 PM
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- - Zeyth   http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPi...   Jul 22 2009, 08:00 PM
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- - Vasilije Vukmirovic   When you play economy, you always compromise sound...   Jul 23 2009, 07:12 PM
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- - Ivan Zecic   Instead of discussing advantages and disadvantages...   Jul 23 2009, 10:39 PM
- - Jenbu   well I use alternate picking but, when im playing ...   Jul 24 2009, 10:10 PM
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|- - Muris Varajic   I use it....when I use it.   Jul 25 2009, 07:35 AM
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