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Posted by: muris Oct 15 2007, 07:03 AM

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/index.php/Korg_Pandora_PX4D_Review

Posted by: lefty01 Oct 16 2007, 03:31 AM

I agree, agree, agree. Great job with the review. You really said all there is to say, about this fine unit.

Posted by: muris Oct 16 2007, 04:29 AM

Thanks Lefty

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 16 2007, 02:30 PM

Something else for me to want!

Posted by: muris Oct 16 2007, 07:11 PM

Along with Light Pick?

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 16 2007, 08:51 PM

Sure! They should be in a plane on their way to me right now - hope they get here this week!
But seriously - if you can make such great backings with this Pandora it's well worth me trying it out too - only hope I can be as good an operator! Well I could never be AS good - but hopefully I can be OK

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 16 2007, 11:52 PM

The only thing standing between you being a good operator or not, is you beliveing you CAN do it !

Posted by: muris Oct 17 2007, 07:34 AM

100 % true Matt

Yeah,every guitar sound in my lessons here is Pandora straight into audio card(semi-pro one).

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 17 2007, 08:04 AM

Thanks Matt - I will never give up - I have that on my side!!

Posted by: Rockwouldbe Oct 18 2007, 04:49 PM

i am just witing for it to arraive and it is nice to hear it is good.

i want practice when i am in the train!!!

hope it will do the trick

Posted by: muris Oct 18 2007, 07:17 PM

Sure it will,just plug 3 AAA and headphones,that's it

Posted by: Fabian Schulz Oct 18 2007, 07:41 PM

I think about getting one.

I have a lot free hours at school and i use this time to play guitar ^^

I think it will be more effective with the Pandora

Posted by: muris Oct 18 2007, 09:38 PM

Sure Fabian,go ahead,you won't regret for sure!

Posted by: Fabian Schulz Oct 18 2007, 10:22 PM

I think i have to do a few more lessons before i can afford one

How long can i play with 3 batteries approximately?

Posted by: muris Oct 18 2007, 10:26 PM

I think about 7-10 hours,depends of batteries quality.
I prefer adapter,of course except when I'm driving or som.

Posted by: botoxfox Oct 18 2007, 11:21 PM

You play guitar when driving?! Isn't that a little unsafe?

Posted by: muris Oct 19 2007, 05:25 AM

Well,you know I used to be ninja so...

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 19 2007, 02:16 PM

Well I found one at a really good price and it should be here early next week. Thanks for the great review Muris, I can't wait to try it out!

Posted by: al christie Oct 19 2007, 05:43 PM

Thats a cool review, I've got a pod which I'm happy with, but I'm always interested in new stuff.Have you compared the 2?

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 19 2007, 08:03 PM

I'd be interested in such a comparision as well!

Posted by: Jerry Arcidiacono Oct 19 2007, 08:18 PM

I'm quite sure you can make a lesson in a car, while you are driving!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 19 2007, 08:27 PM

Yes that would become absolutely legendary!!

Posted by: botoxfox Oct 19 2007, 08:32 PM

Aah yes , that explains everything...

Posted by: muris Oct 19 2007, 11:15 PM

Well,I'll give a try.
If I make it...well...you'll know...and if I don't...

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 22 2007, 06:21 PM

Muris - are you still alive?!

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 06:31 PM

Got an idea
Will go to empty parking lot, take guitar and the wheel,
set my girlfriend on the hood with the camera
Only problem is it's really cold and snowy

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 22 2007, 06:34 PM

Don't tell me you can't shred with cold fingers in the snow??!!

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 06:47 PM

Ahh,I'd be in the car with the heat on,she'd be the one outside in the cold

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 22 2007, 06:54 PM

Aha - that sounds fair!

After all you're the one with the chops. (Unless your girlfriend has talents which you haven't told us about..!)

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 07:04 PM

Well,I did teach her few easier licks and tunes
but no way I'm gonna let her to do the lessons!!

Posted by: Kristofer Dahl Oct 22 2007, 07:06 PM

Well if you keep your hands on the steering wheel it's not going to be necessary!

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 07:09 PM

Yep

On the topic again,Pandora is really flexible,you could go even to bathroom and play while taking the shower.
Sort of video clip of Jon Bon Jovi

Posted by: Hungus Oct 22 2007, 07:26 PM

Hey Muris just wondering if this thing would be suitable for metal... Im not talking the cleaner shred kinda metal either, im after a really crushing heavy tone

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 07:35 PM

Ohh,it's suitable for sure.
There are modeling amps like US High Gain,80's Modern Gain etc.
Rock the house...pardon...Metal the house

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 22 2007, 07:41 PM

Muris i was wondering is there a list of Amps this thing models anywhere?

thanks!

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 07:49 PM

Here's few of them,guitar only
BTQ CLEAN
BTQ OVERDRIVE
TWEED 1x12
TWEED
4x10
BLK 2x12
AC15
UK BLUES
UK 80's
AC 30
AC 30TB
US MODERN

There are many for Bass too,plus cabinets,list is huge

Posted by: mattacuk Oct 22 2007, 07:59 PM

Sounds great muris, thanks for that !!

Posted by: muris Oct 22 2007, 09:03 PM

No probs,you're welcome

Posted by: PlayAllDay Oct 28 2007, 12:15 AM

My Pandora arrived this week and I am in guitar heaven!
This thing is amazingly good value for money - user friendly and great sounds.
I am seriously rocking out and the neighbours cant hear a thing

I've so far played only with the presets and there are seemingly infinite variations of those,
plus using the rhythm (drums/bass) loops to solo over and they are great.
I recommend this tool to any guitarist really trying to develop their chops, it will make
your practise time fun and effective.

I start playing and many hours go by in what feels like minutes...
Thanks Muris for putting up the great review on the board.

Posted by: muris Oct 28 2007, 05:09 AM

Hey,glad my review helped you a bit!!

Have a great time with it and you're welcome!

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Oct 30 2007, 07:43 AM

I think i'll have to get one of these!

Posted by: Spiderusalem Oct 30 2007, 06:19 PM

Wait, I dont get it....

So this thing....is also a mini amp or what? Can you get sound out of this thing on its own?

I'm sorry, I'm not entirely too keen on what multi-effects processors do =(

Posted by: muris Oct 30 2007, 08:07 PM

No,it's not an amp,it's a processor.
But speaking of "amp" thing, we could call it a preamp,digital one of course.

Posted by: lliber Nov 7 2007, 10:10 PM

is it possible to download patches like the POD

Posted by: muris Nov 8 2007, 09:12 AM

Nope ,it doesn't have USB or som.
It's really small unit,like a baby.

Posted by: WTN Nov 9 2007, 01:10 AM

I just picked up one of these after hearing Muris's fantastic sound/tone on his lessons. With his settings, one can duplicate his lesson sounds exactly as you hear them. Many thanks to Muris for sharing his settings - I am sure he spent considerable time arriving at them.

One thing I want to share, because it had me confused. When you are setting up your patch, the upper left hand GAIN/MID control and the VALUE DIAL (lower right spinner) take on different modes depending on the AMP type. I.E. on page 34 see US HI-G - the value dial controls the MID's and the GAIN/MID only controls the GAIN.

If one uses different amp types the GAIN/MID will alter the MID's - see page 34 VALVE2 for an example.

BTW - I was using an early POD upgraded to V2. I never liked the reverbs or delays, so I use an old BOSS RV-70 reverb/delay in conjunction with the POD. (The RV-70 is one of those "sleeper" effects - killer)

Now with the Pandora I can get the same sound in quite a smaller package - a lot smaller.

About the only flaw that I have found is that it's a bit noisy. If you crank the NR up to 9 or so it will kill the noise, but will also chop your sound off a bit - it's like a hard limiter. But, you can fine tune it, so it's well worth the money for a box that will fit into your shirt pocket. Not to mention the rhythm/bass/drum trainer mode - hard to believe.

Thanks again to Muris for being the "guinea pig" for us gear hunters. Hope he knows what this means.

Posted by: muris Nov 9 2007, 01:33 AM

You're welcome!!

There are some noises on specific amps with lots of gain but you can't expect
nothing more from unit this small.
Well spotted thing on mids in amp section,
I did just review so couldn't go into every details.
Thanks!!

Posted by: WTN Nov 9 2007, 03:41 AM

I totally agree - great value for such a small device. BTW - You are a fantastic guitarist - bring on more lessons.

Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff Nov 9 2007, 05:29 AM

got one o these they are good for headphones

Posted by: muris Nov 9 2007, 07:25 AM

Thanks a lot WTN,appreciate it!
More lessons coming,no worries tho

Posted by: Dejan Jan 15 2008, 11:26 AM

Thanks for the review

Thinking to buy one, found some one eBay for $150 with shipping (new), what do you think about the price?

Posted by: Muris Jan 15 2008, 12:16 PM

You're welcome.

I got mine in Artist few years ago for 150km,some discount.
Not sure how much it costs now atm...

Posted by: Dejan Jan 15 2008, 12:43 PM

I just checked, it's 267km, and I checked in "Brothers" but they have only AX5G model for 199km.

Have you tried the AX5G? I wonder if the sound is similar to PX4D, and if I'm right it has no amp simulators, so believe that PX4d is better option for recording and practicing

Posted by: DeepRoots Jan 15 2008, 12:44 PM

Id love to have one of these, think ill go down the music store and see if they have one to try out. Its a really bad store though so we shall see

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 15 2008, 01:15 PM

I really cant fault this device. I havent plugged into my pricey Tube amp and rediculously overpriced pedals in weeks

Posted by: Paul Coutts Jan 15 2008, 02:19 PM

wow, your lessons are done with this? impressive. I had one for awhile...but then had to give it back cause I couldn't afford it at the time...kinda of regret it now. BUT,...I love my x3

Posted by: Fran Jan 16 2008, 03:13 PM

Nice review!

I have apocket pod which is similar but lacks the drums and bass backings.

I read the pandora has 100 different drum backings, but do they all have bass? And, can you choose the key for the bass in each of them? Or the speed for each backing?

If you can it might be worth getting one of these, even though I guess it won't be much different from the pocket pod in the effects aspect.

Posted by: Muris Jan 16 2008, 04:59 PM

Yes,you can add bass to it,assign key and tempo as well.
Plus you can take few different grooves/patters and make a "chain" of them.
Per example,2 bars of Pop groove,then bar of Heavy Metal,1 bar of Funk etc

Posted by: benhowell Jan 16 2008, 07:25 PM

Hey Guys,

On the subject of the Pandora, does it let you record backings so you can solo over?

Also will it fit in your pocket?

Cheers,

-Ben

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 16 2008, 07:51 PM

Ben ! It easily fits in your pocket, maybe even your shirt pocket!! It records about 30 seconds on a loop ( I think ) but sadly thats all. Still this is no problem for me as its plugged directly into my soundcard

Posted by: benhowell Jan 16 2008, 10:20 PM

Hello Matt, cheers for your reply. Now thats the two questions taken care of, is it good sound quality? At GAK they have it for only £89 so it seems like a good deal.

-Ben

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 16 2008, 10:56 PM

Yeah I think its fantastic Ben !! After listening to Muris's lessons I was eager to get my hands on one and I didnt disapoint. There is a little bit of noise on some of the amps but you can set noise reduction and its barley noticable. I really love the High Gain amp models and the clean ones are beautiful. I noted that the AC15 model sounded identical to my real amp !!

Posted by: Fran Jan 17 2008, 12:33 AM

Wow, then it definitely beats my pocket pod by far!

Plus your lessons always sound so good and they are recorded using this...


I think I want one

Posted by: Muris Jan 17 2008, 01:53 AM

Go ahead,really nice unit for a buck imho.

Posted by: Dejan Jan 17 2008, 05:46 PM

Just to sign-in as a new victim of Pandora

Opened the box and got great sounds out

The shop where I bought it gave me the KORG AC Adapter as a gift

Posted by: Muris Jan 17 2008, 06:33 PM

You got adapter??Where??

Posted by: Dejan Jan 17 2008, 06:53 PM

In 'Artist', original Korg KA199 AC Adapter

Posted by: Fran Jan 17 2008, 09:03 PM

Wow, that's good customer care service!

Lucky you!

How are you liking the gadget so far?

Posted by: Muris Jan 18 2008, 01:34 AM

Gosh,I bought it there as well but they didn't have adapters at that time.
Perhaps they just hate me

Posted by: Mark. Jan 18 2008, 10:18 AM

This may be a stupid question but,
do you still need an amp when you get the pandora O_o ?

Posted by: Smells Jan 18 2008, 10:22 AM

you can either plug it into an amp, but I`d remove the amp simulator effects, or plug it (like Muris does) into the line in of your PC`s sound card

Or plug in headphones of course

Posted by: Mark. Jan 18 2008, 10:25 AM

"or plug it (like Muris does) into the line in of your PC`s sound card"

Do you need to buy a special cable for that or is it possible with a normal guitar cable ?

Posted by: Smells Jan 18 2008, 10:31 AM

theres probably a specific cable you can buy that has the smaller jack plug, either that or you could get one of them mono reducer adapter things like this http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=1177&&source=14&doy=18m1

Posted by: Mark. Jan 18 2008, 10:34 AM

Thanks

Posted by: Mark. Jan 18 2008, 11:05 AM

Just one last question

If I want to plug it into my amp, can I use normal guitar cables for that or do you need an other sort of cable for that too?

Posted by: Smells Jan 18 2008, 11:07 AM

guitar cable will do the trick I`d have thought mate

Posted by: Mark. Jan 18 2008, 11:08 AM

Thanks Now I only need to get 155euros

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 18 2008, 11:14 AM

You don't need to mess around with different size cables. Just buy an adaptor set of dimensions 1/4" to 3.5mm and you can stick that on end of guitar cable and it will plug straight into your sound card. See below

http://www.axcessories.com/proddetail.asp?prod=axadp101s&cat=119

Posted by: Dejan Jan 18 2008, 11:15 AM

Maybe you forgot to put Smile #3

Fran - It sounds great so far, now I have to find the right sound

Mark - Try to find stereo-to-stereo cable, there are a lot of stereo effects inside and they will not sound so good in mono

edit: not sure what cable would be best for amps, you can use mono but then it's best to avoid stereo effects

Posted by: Smells Jan 18 2008, 12:06 PM

lol, read above , it`d already been suggested

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Jan 18 2008, 12:11 PM

lol. Maybe I should learn to read Still gives him two options of where to buy one

Posted by: DeepRoots Jan 18 2008, 12:43 PM

So guys can you just go

guitar--->pandora--->headphones?

That would be pretty handy...

Posted by: Smells Jan 18 2008, 12:45 PM

I`m pretty sure you can mate yea.

Posted by: Muris Jan 18 2008, 05:34 PM

Yep,there's only one output in Pandora,stereo one,perfect for headphones.

Posted by: DeepRoots Jan 18 2008, 05:35 PM

niiiice. Thats pretty cool.

Posted by: Muris Jan 18 2008, 05:36 PM

Nobody reads my review anymore

Posted by: mattacuk Jan 18 2008, 07:21 PM

I will RE- read it if it makes you happy

Posted by: Muris Jan 18 2008, 08:32 PM

Awesomeness Matt

Posted by: CHEP Feb 2 2008, 11:36 PM

It will be interesting to compare Pandora PX4D with the Line 6 Pocket POD. As I understand, they have similiar size and price, so.. I have to make some decision Anybody tried both of these?

Posted by: Fran Feb 3 2008, 03:04 PM

I have a pocket pod, and from what I read in this review and listening to many lessons that have been recorded using pandora, I would say that Pandora is probably better.

Main reason I say this is because it has loads of different backings with drums and bass, plus it allows you to record your own backing and play over it. That alone is a very intereting feature that makes practicing really fun. PocketPod is just emulation of amps/cabs/effects, but no backing tracks at all

One good thing about pocket pod is that you can download tones from line6 site, but then again, not all of them, only the ones compatible with the device, but there are thousands...

All in all, I believe Pandora to be better, if you care for the backings.

Posted by: Muris Feb 3 2008, 03:04 PM

I haven't tried pocket POD but would be nice to compare them.

Posted by: sammy_k Apr 3 2008, 12:00 PM

My PX4D just arrived and I've started reading the manual. I thought that would be a good starting point
Now, I didn't know the adapter was sold separately, but that's not a real problem because I'll try to buy one online and use the included batteries for now. Does this adapter has to be one that's branded with Korg or can i trust adapters that are supposed to be for the PX4D but by an unknown brand?

I have one question though: How exactly do I connect the device to my PC or MacBook Pro?
Smell suggested the 3.5mm Mono Plug to 1/4” Mono Socket Adaptor as an alternative for a specific cable, but someone else mentioned to get a stereo to stereo cable because that would give best quality. Could anyone tell me if there is a better choice around for this little adapter Smell posted? I don't know the exact name of the cable that gives best quality to look for at online shops.

I don't really know the difference between mono, stereo cables, all kind of 'jacks' so if anyone could tell me what's the best cable to connect the PX4D to a PC or Mac it would be welcome

Muris, what cable do you use to plug it directly into your soundcard? That would be a good reference, as you guys probably know much more about what cables give best quality (or less chance for quality loss)

I can't wait to try it out and see if i can more or less simulate those Muris Lesson Sounds As a matter of fact, I'm going to try the device out now through headphones

Posted by: tonymiro Apr 3 2008, 12:12 PM

I don't have a Pandora Sammy but from what Muris says it sounds like it has a single stereo out. In that case the lead that you use should be stereo ones. A stereo one has a double ring on the jack (so two black rings on the jack and not the single one you see on a guitar jack). As Smells says it is pretty easy to get 1/4 inch to mini adaptors - just make sure you get a stereo one from the shop .

Cheers,
Tony

Posted by: Muris Apr 3 2008, 12:14 PM

Hi Sammy.

Just check out my review on first page of this topic,I posted picture of cable I use.
Stereo option as great if you wanna use effects,with mono cable you'll not get best results.

As for adapter,I don't have original Korg adapter,just some regular adapter
with that yellow "Sony" jack.
I tried to explain this jack issue in review as well.

Posted by: sammy_k Apr 3 2008, 12:25 PM

Thanks for the fast reply. So the Stereo Klotz cable would be a good idea?
I just asked it because when I look at the picture, the cable seems to be thin compared to the place where it should enter the PX4D. Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong 'hole' I thought it had to go in 'Output' but maybe I'm wrong and it should go where it says aux? I though that last one was only for headphone. Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this topic

Posted by: WTN Apr 3 2008, 03:07 PM

It does plug into the output hole - which is a 1/4" stereo phone jack. This jack is also where you would plug your headphones in. You will love this device. Play around with the rhythm and phrase trainer. There are some great backing tracks with drums and bass. Some will also play full progressions (chord changes).

Posted by: Juan M. Valero Apr 3 2008, 03:48 PM

It's a really interesting tool !! great review Muris

Posted by: Muris Apr 3 2008, 04:35 PM

Input jack is where you plug your guitar.
Output is stereo jack,leads sound to amp,PC or whatever.
And AUX jack is input only jack,for MP3 player,iPod etc.

And yeah,stereo Klotz cable would be fine.

Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Apr 3 2008, 05:52 PM

You mean you can record something on the unit itself? And play it along with the backing? That's a great feature if so

Posted by: Muris Apr 4 2008, 12:37 AM

Yeah,you can record about 30-40 secs of your playing on Pandora
but that's not the point of AUX in jack I guess.
Point is, you can plug MP3 player per example and jam along with it,
using headphones or running it through mixer,PC amp or whatever.

Posted by: sammy_k Apr 4 2008, 08:12 PM

Thanks for the advice and tips. I order the correct cable now so I can easily connect the device to my computer.
I ran through the presets quickly and I must say I was already sound after 20 or so and there are 100 presets.
Now I'll read the manual again because I want to try playing over a backing track or jam or anything like that.
I also wondered if it's possible to hear the metronome clicks when jamming over a backing? I didn't read about that in the manual, but maybe I skipped it.

Conclusion: Even after 30 minutes of trying out, I can really say I'll have lots of fun with this Thanks for the great review Thanks again Muris for the review and everyone for their replies. Hope to be of some kind of help for you one day

Posted by: Young Guitarist Oct 19 2008, 07:02 AM

Ok, question:

Can you like, use this little thing, to edit you'r own sounds, and then play, directly in to the computer? How does this work?

Posted by: Muris Varajic Oct 19 2008, 10:46 AM

Yes,you can edit everything,store it (change name of the preset if you wish)
and play directly into computer.
I suggest you using stereo -> 2 mono jacks cable as I explained in review tho.

Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 20 2008, 03:53 PM

Man, now I am interested in this little box, Muris manages to get awesome tone out of this.

Posted by: OrganisedConfusion Oct 20 2008, 03:57 PM

I think Muris would get great tone plugging his guitar into a cows arse Muris is not of this world with his guitar skills and sound. He is incredible. Like I said in another thread he can outrun a cheetah with his fingers

Posted by: Fran Oct 20 2008, 03:58 PM

Posted by: Jose Mena Oct 20 2008, 04:24 PM

Man I pictured it, I really saw it in my head

Posted by: kaznie_NL Oct 20 2008, 05:41 PM

Hahaha

Posted by: Muris Varajic Oct 20 2008, 11:05 PM