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Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 05:30 AM

OK
I want to see what you all think.This is very tough for me because there both great and i love them both,but which ONE has made better RIFF'S on guitar over there 20 year carrer.Make sure NOT to vote for your favorite band ,vote just by the topic of which has made the best guitar parts ,songs or however you want to phrase it.

Also just for fun i put which one do you feel is a better vocalist.This one to me is very easy to answer unlike the question above but ill wait to vote once we got some votes in. wink.gif

Posted by: SEANCD2005 Nov 22 2007, 05:55 AM

james no doubt has com up with better riffs that are more creative over the year. Mustaine although a great great guitarist seems to come up with the same stuff. As far as a vocolist James has it hands down much more range than dave. thats my take any way

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 06:04 AM

It should have been Kirk Hammett vs. Dave Mustaine for the guitarist part of the pole and the vocalist part is fine as it is.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 22 2007, 06:11 AM

As a guitarist I think that Dave Mustain is better. Even if he does create similar sounding riffs, he's still a better guitarist, but I think that James Hetfield is definitely a better vocalist.

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 21 2007, 11:04 PM) *
It should have been Kirk Hammett vs. Dave Mustaine for the guitarist part of the pole and the vocalist part is fine as it is.


Yeah, it should have been. Dave still wins, though.

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 06:20 AM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 22 2007, 12:04 AM) *
It should have been Kirk Hammett vs. Dave Mustaine for the guitarist part of the pole and the vocalist part is fine as it is.


Why?That just kinda through me off because there both the Rythem guitar player and lead singer in each of there bands.Sure Dave used to solo in Metallica and still does some in Megadeth,but if i would have put Kirk in why not Marty Friedman,orChris Poland or all the other lead guitarist Megadeth has went through tongue.gif .It was just meant for these 2 because there the frontmen for there bands

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 06:20 AM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Nov 22 2007, 12:11 AM) *
As a guitarist I think that Dave Mustain is better. Even if he does create similar sounding riffs, he's still a better guitarist, but I think that James Hetfield is definitely a better vocalist.
Yeah, it should have been. Dave still wins, though.


I think Kirk Hammett is a better guitarist than Dave, but either way they are both better than James. The thing is though, James only really plays rhythm guitar, whereas Dave and Kirk play lead and rhythm, so nobody really knows how good James is because he doesnt really show his soloing abilities. I heard that James does write a lot of Metallicas songs though, solos and all so I really don't know. Either way I like all 3 of them.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 22 2007, 06:25 AM

I just think Dave is better because they both play pretty much the same top speed and Kirk has some problems with cleanness, and some people say that he has a weak vibrato. But they are both very close to each other skillwise. So it could go either way smile.gif

Oh, and I think that the only solo that James Hetfield wrote was the one for Nothing Else Matters. I could be wrong though.

Posted by: ActiveX Nov 22 2007, 06:27 AM

Guitarist: Dave
Vocals: James

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 22 2007, 12:20 AM) *
I think Kirk Hammett is a better guitarist than Dave, but either way they are both better than James. The thing is though, James only really plays rhythm guitar, whereas Dave and Kirk play lead and rhythm, so nobody really knows how good James is because he doesnt really show his soloing abilities. I heard that James does write a lot of Metallicas songs though, solos and all so I really don't know. Either way I like all 3 of them.


Same here as far as liking all 3 of them,also we really dont know how good James is.To be honest though i cant say if Kirk is better than Dave i just dont know.Kirk was like my favorite guitarist for so many years when i started playing but as i have gotten older learned more about music he is nowhere near as great as i once thought.Dave holds back alot on lead he doesnt really like to solo much so thats what stump's me on that one.

I just did this pol because they are 2 of my favorite Rythem guitarist and have made the music that made me decide to play guitar.They are Metallica and Megadeth without either one of them there band could not be the same.So thats why i didnt put Kirk in because these 2 are everything to the band.I like your opinions though and keep em coming wink.gif

Posted by: VinceG Nov 22 2007, 06:40 AM

Mustaine. Metallica only made one pure thrash album and thats Kill Em' All and Mustaine wrote most of the riffs on that one.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 06:44 AM

QUOTE (shredmandan @ Nov 22 2007, 12:33 AM) *
Same here as far as liking all 3 of them,also we really dont know how good James is.To be honest though i cant say if Kirk is better than Dave i just dont know.Kirk was like my favorite guitarist for so many years when i started playing but as i have gotten older learned more about music he is nowhere near as great as i once thought.Dave holds back alot on lead he doesnt really like to solo much so thats what stump's me on that one.

I just did this pol because they are 2 of my favorite Rythem guitarist and have made the music that made me decide to play guitar.They are Metallica and Megadeth without either one of them there band could not be the same.So thats why i didnt put Kirk in because these 2 are everything to the band.I like your opinions though and keep em coming wink.gif


Ok, here is my opinion. John Petrucci owns all of them! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 06:45 AM

QUOTE (VinceG @ Nov 22 2007, 12:40 AM) *
Mustaine. Metallica only made one pure thrash album and thats Kill Em' All and Mustaine wrote most of the riffs on that one.



I've seen you post that in a few different threads.I respect your opinion but just dont agree.Dave even did some work on Ride the Lightining (which i consider thrash) and even the 2 albums after that metallica did i consider thrash,based on the guitar's.Maybe your right i dont know ,but thats how i look at thrash,what about you?What would you label Metallica's other albums up to the black album? wink.gif

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 06:50 AM

Master Of Puppets was thrash.

Petrucci still owns all of them. biggrin.gif

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 06:50 AM

Also wanted to add that the pole is about which guitarist you think has made the best riffs or songs.I can tell i through some people off including myself tongue.gif by the title of the thread.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 06:52 AM

Who voted Dave Mustaine as a better vocalist?

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 07:20 AM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 22 2007, 12:52 AM) *
Who voted Dave Mustaine as a better vocalist?



I was thinking the same thing

Posted by: VinceG Nov 22 2007, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (shredmandan @ Nov 22 2007, 10:45 AM) *
I've seen you post that in a few different threads.I respect your opinion but just dont agree.Dave even did some work on Ride the Lightining (which i consider thrash) and even the 2 albums after that metallica did i consider thrash,based on the guitar's.Maybe your right i dont know ,but thats how i look at thrash,what about you?What would you label Metallica's other albums up to the black album? wink.gif


Well, I said "Pure Thrash album" to Kill Em' All. Sure you can still sense thrash in Ride The Lightning to about ... And Justice For all (maybe) but its not pure to say the least. Maybe its a good thing to you I don't know, but it has a more heavy metal feel more than punk (to me) but to each his own. I look at thrash very differently, certain styles kick to me while other's don't. Early Anthrax(with Belladona), Municipal Waste, D.R.I, and Violator are some of my favorite thrash bands because of how they play it. A lot of intensity from hardcore punk, the yells, and attack of riffs are the once that made me love thrash to begin with. This is probably a more biased opinion so I apologies for that.

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 07:51 AM

QUOTE (VinceG @ Nov 22 2007, 01:48 AM) *
Well, I said "Pure Thrash album" to Kill Em' All. Sure you can still sense thrash in Ride The Lightning to about ... And Justice For all (maybe) but its not pure to say the least. Maybe its a good thing to you I don't know, but it has a more heavy metal feel more than punk to me but to each his own. I look at thrash very differently, certain styles kick to me while other's don't. Early Anthrax(with Belladona), Municipal Waste, D.R.I, and Violator are some of my favorite thrash bands because of how they play it. A lot of intensity from hardcore punk, the yells, and attack of riffs are the once that made me love thrash to begin with. This is probably a more biased opinion so I apologies for that.



I get what your saying.I've listened to Anthrax and didnt really care for them but the other's i dont think i;ve ever listened to .That will give me something to do smile.gif .I'll have to go check those out and see what i think.

Posted by: VinceG Nov 22 2007, 08:10 AM

I love Anthrax. Gets me pumped and just want to get into the pit.

One of my fav live moments from them
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRASpipW-Y

4:50 is when Caught In A Mosh starts. One of the best thrash songs written IMO.

Posted by: Hemlok Nov 22 2007, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (ActiveX @ Nov 22 2007, 02:27 PM) *
Guitarist: Dave
Vocals: James


+1

Posted by: botoxfox Nov 22 2007, 08:46 AM

I really can't stand Dave Mustaine's voice...

Posted by: Smells Nov 22 2007, 10:32 AM

QUOTE (botoxfox @ Nov 22 2007, 07:46 AM) *
I really can't stand Dave Mustaine's voice...


Nah same here, has always put me off buying there albums to be honest

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 22 2007, 02:47 PM

Guitarist: Dave Mustaine
Vocals: James Hetfield

Its hard for me to choose on the vocals, i had to pick James in the end, because of his versatility throughout the years.

Posted by: DeepRoots Nov 22 2007, 03:05 PM

i still prefer metallica to megadeth- i like most of what is on megadeths greatest hits but the rest im not fussed on...

having said that...

If metallica push out another st anger i'll never utter "metallica" aloud again.

Back to poll:

guitarist: James, even though Dave has a fairly cool thrash soloing style i just love that James' right hand is a riffing machine gun!

Vocalist: Hetfield hands down, though Dave sounds pretty damn cool on some songs.

Posted by: Juan M. Valero Nov 22 2007, 04:10 PM

I prefer Dave Mustain in both questions biggrin.gif

I like the Mustaine singing style

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 22 2007, 04:25 PM

James Hetfield! I reffer his voice and if we are talking about riffs (not solo guitar technique) I chose him too!! Just listen to master of puppets. smile.gif However I also like Mustaine very much but I always preffered to hear Metallica.

Posted by: Robin Nov 22 2007, 04:30 PM

Mustaine on both.

Posted by: Gen Nov 22 2007, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Robin @ Nov 22 2007, 06:30 PM) *
Mustaine on both.

+1

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 22 2007, 05:13 PM

Overall id prefer Mustaine, and Megadeth for that matter wink.gif

Rust In Peace Babay smile.gif

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 22 2007, 05:24 PM

I think that with the exception of Rust in Peace, Metallica has definitely come up with better albums which are more creative. Until the Black Album, of course.

Posted by: Pavel Nov 22 2007, 05:28 PM

Ah, another "who's better" topic laugh.gif this one will be fun to watch! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 22 2007, 05:40 PM

Yes, it will be interesting.

Posted by: Owen Nov 22 2007, 05:54 PM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 22 2007, 08:13 AM) *
Overall id prefer Mustaine, and Megadeth for that matter wink.gif

Rust In Peace Babay smile.gif


Oh my god I'm getting that feeling again, what is it?

I'm wanting to agree with you! There really is... something spiritual about this... laugh.gif

Although to be honest I'm not an avid fan of either band. tongue.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 22 2007, 05:56 PM

Ok this is weird, we've agreed like 3 or 4 times in a row, the universe might end if this keeps up....I must make it balanced!!





Dragonforce are awesome, and i think Owen might like them wink.gif















Whew, all is better now smile.gif

Posted by: Mackietao Nov 22 2007, 06:01 PM

Just looked at that Anthrax video... omg how those riff suck...(no offence to those who like it) Feels like a regular 15 year old boy could have written them any given day. Never heard Anthrax before, and if that´s among their best I bet I didn´t miss anything.. haha. But I never listened long enough for the song to come in. Couldn´t stand it.

As far as Dave and James.. I like James singing more. Only like Dave on a couple of songs.
As guitarist I don´t know really. Never thought about it. As bands go Metallica has done a whole lot more good songs. Some of the songs on Rust in piece is great though. One of my first metal records I bought.

unsure.gif

Posted by: Owen Nov 22 2007, 06:35 PM

Wait? That was Anthrax? The one's people are always going on about?

Sounds awful to my ears... unsure.gif

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 22 2007, 07:08 PM

John Petrucci. biggrin.gif





*End of poll*





JK.

Posted by: Gabriel Leopardi Nov 22 2007, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 22 2007, 03:08 PM) *
John Petrucci. biggrin.gif
*End of poll*
JK.




laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif I've never hear John singing trash metal but he plays Master of Puppets perfect... laugh.gif

Posted by: FretDancer69 Nov 22 2007, 09:54 PM

i think Dave is a better guitarist than James, but James vocals are better than Mustaine's,

Posted by: VinceG Nov 22 2007, 11:09 PM

I love simplicity in thrash. The closer it is to having a hardcore punk presence the better for me. Maybe one of the reason I love Anthrax so much.

Posted by: Fabian Schulz Nov 22 2007, 11:12 PM

I don't like megadeth at all ... so i voted for james wink.gif

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 22 2007, 11:26 PM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 22 2007, 10:25 AM) *
James Hetfield! I reffer his voice and if we are talking about riffs (not solo guitar technique) I chose him too!! Just listen to master of puppets. smile.gif However I also like Mustaine very much but I always preffered to hear Metallica.


Great answer
You understood my question perfect!The poll is based on the riffs they have made and songs over the past 20 years.This is a tough one to answer isnt it.

QUOTE (VinceG @ Nov 22 2007, 05:09 PM) *
I love simplicity in thrash. The closer it is to having a hardcore punk presence the better for me. Maybe one of the reason I love Anthrax so much.


I definatly see that now ,and it makes sense why you say kill em all is there only real thrash album.My thing though is i dont like punk at all.I guess when you mix so many genr's or music its easy to get confused ''atleast for me''.I've never cared for Anthrax and i think its due mostly to there vocals,but they have made there place in music no doubt . smile.gif

Posted by: VinceG Nov 22 2007, 11:53 PM

Thanks shredmandan for seeing my point to this. You could say I'm a bit of an elitist when it comes to this kind of music(metal in general) so forgive me about that. But I thank you for taking the time to understand my thoughts.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Nov 25 2007, 09:37 PM

Dave mustaine is more talented than any member of metallica will ever be, end of story.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 25 2007, 10:49 PM

Now that I realize that this is a poll about who has come up with the better more creative riffs, James Hetfield definitely wins it. Wow, just noticed that Dave Mustain had 14 votes for being the better vocalist. huh.gif Theres no way, I mean just listen to ...And Justice for All. James voice is absolutely incredible on that album cool.gif I think Dave only sounds good on a few songs.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Nov 25 2007, 11:09 PM

James hetfeild sounds generic, his riffs sound generic. daves voice has an edge to it, like a man on the edge, i love it.

Posted by: swingline Nov 25 2007, 11:23 PM

James witthout a doubt is a better composer, and vocalist. I think people aren't reading the whole instructions and voting on guitarist ability too. Dave is good and all but he is also a jerk.

Posted by: Robin Nov 25 2007, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Nov 25 2007, 10:49 PM) *
Now that I realize that this is a poll about who has come up with the better more creative riffs, James Hetfield definitely wins it. Wow, just noticed that Dave Mustain had 14 votes for being the better vocalist. huh.gif Theres no way, I mean just listen to ...And Justice for All. James voice is absolutely incredible on that album cool.gif I think Dave only sounds good on a few songs.

Different people got different opinions. I personally cant stand Hetfields voice, except for Kill 'em all. Actually I dont really like anything from Metallica after Kill 'em all. I think Megadeth is much better, but thats just me.

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 25 2007, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Nov 25 2007, 04:09 PM) *
James hetfeild sounds generic, his riffs sound generic. daves voice has an edge to it, like a man on the edge, i love it.


Well everyone has different oppinions, but how can you say that the riffs from Metallica's first four albums sound generic? Metallica was one of the pioneers of metal, and therefore had some very original riffs at the time.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 26 2007, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (swingline @ Nov 25 2007, 02:23 PM) *
Dave is good and all but he is also a jerk.


First off, you dont know him, thats a bit harsh judgement dont you think? (no offense intended)

second off, i dont know why he would be called a jerk, he went through rehab, straightened out his life, and is back on the right track, sure, he may have been a jerk, but i have much respect and admiration for this man and how he got back on the right path, Its never an easy thing to do, im glad he came out standing and came out on top with megadeth. smile.gif

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 26 2007, 01:01 AM

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Nov 22 2007, 03:05 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif I've never hear John singing trash metal but he plays Master of Puppets perfect... laugh.gif


That's true, Dream Theater did a cover of the whole Master Of Puppets album. They did several other album covers also, you have to order them off of a website though.

Posted by: Owen Nov 26 2007, 01:04 AM

I still find Dave's new found love of Christianity a bit wierd, the whole getting Rotting Christ kicked off the Greece dates was very harsh considering their music only acts primarily as some Satanic gimmick, not anything serious. blink.gif

And the whole Pastor following him around on tour thing was also a bit nuts, anarchaic rockstar joining the biggest organisation in the world doesnt quite do it for me mellow.gif

Having said that, I watched the Metallica documentary "Some Kind Of Monster" and could not get over how shallow and ignorant they portrayed themselves to be, I was thinking "are these guys for real?".

Both decent bands though, dont get me wrong, I just find some of their personalities a bit dislikable.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 26 2007, 01:08 AM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Nov 25 2007, 03:37 PM) *
Dave mustaine is more talented than any member of metallica will ever be, end of story.


That isn't a very good statement, because nobody knows (well probably very few people know) any artists full potential.

QUOTE (Robin @ Nov 25 2007, 05:24 PM) *
Different people got different opinions. I personally cant stand Hetfields voice, except for Kill 'em all. Actually I dont really like anything from Metallica after Kill 'em all. I think Megadeth is much better, but thats just me.


That's very true everyone has their own opinions about everything, no matter what the subject is.

Posted by: Owen Nov 26 2007, 01:08 AM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 25 2007, 04:05 PM) *
That isn't a very good statement, because nobody knows (well probably very few people know) any artists full potential.


I agree here, if music was all about talent and complexity then we wouldnt have bands like the Beatles etc, Music doesnt have to be complicated for people to like it and for it to be good. smile.gif

Posted by: Robin Nov 26 2007, 01:11 AM

QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 26 2007, 01:08 AM) *
I agree here, if music was all about talent and complexity then we wouldnt have bands like the Beatles etc, Music doesnt have to be complicated for people to like it and for it to be good. smile.gif

I agree. Infact, I dont even like complicated music smile.gif
To me, technical skills mean NOTHING in music, but for others it might mean alot.

Posted by: Unleash-The-Shred Nov 26 2007, 01:17 AM

QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 25 2007, 07:08 PM) *
I agree here, if music was all about talent and complexity then we wouldnt have bands like the Beatles etc, Music doesnt have to be complicated for people to like it and for it to be good. smile.gif


Exactly and thank you for your response to extent information on my statement.

QUOTE (Robin @ Nov 25 2007, 07:11 PM) *
I agree. Infact, I dont even like complicated music smile.gif
To me, technical skills mean NOTHING in music, but for others it might mean alot.


I see your point. Not being technical doesn't mean you suck at guitar, there are people who probably play very simple music but if they showed more interest in being a technical guitarist they could probably show they have amazing talent in that field also.

I do love technical music though, but I also love music where no technical talent is shown.

Oh yeah by the way, all Mustaine fans might enjoy his new section in Guitar World. His first lesson can be found in the newest issue. I believe he will be doing lessons every month for the magazine now along with Slash and Michael Angelo Batio who have been contributing to Guitar World for quite a while now.

Posted by: Robin Nov 26 2007, 01:18 AM

QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 26 2007, 01:14 AM) *
I see your point. Not being technical doesn't mean you suck at guitar, there are people who probably play very simple music but if they showed more interest in being a technical guitarist they could probably show they have amazing talent in that field also.

I do love technical music though, but I also love music where no technical talent is shown.

Its the sounds that comes out of the guitar that matters, not the level of difficulty.

In my opinion BB King kicks every shredders ass with using three notes.

Posted by: PacmanProductions Nov 26 2007, 01:24 AM

100th vote!!! im a big megadeth fan so i picked dave for both

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 26 2007, 03:23 AM

QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 25 2007, 04:04 PM) *
And the whole Pastor following him around on tour thing was also a bit nuts, anarchaic rockstar joining the biggest organisation in the world doesnt quite do it for me mellow.gif


Well, dont let his religion deter you from liking his music (doesnt seem like it is).

Posted by: swingline Nov 26 2007, 04:27 AM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 25 2007, 03:50 PM) *
First off, you dont know him, thats a bit harsh judgement dont you think? (no offense intended)

second off, i dont know why he would be called a jerk, he went through rehab, straightened out his life, and is back on the right track, sure, he may have been a jerk, but i have much respect and admiration for this man and how he got back on the right path, Its never an easy thing to do, im glad he came out standing and came out on top with megadeth. smile.gif

I'm sorry you are correct he WAS sort of a jerk at one time but you have a point. I appeal my decision and modify it to,
Although he has made many decision I cannot agree with, he has corrected most of them and become a much better man.

But I still do find him a little aggressive towards other musitions.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 26 2007, 04:48 AM

QUOTE (swingline @ Nov 25 2007, 07:27 PM) *
But I still do find him a little aggressive towards other musitions.


Yes, i do know what you mean by that. Like what Owen said with the rotting christ thing. Atleast hes not invoking riots from the IRA anymore laugh.gif

Posted by: botoxfox Nov 26 2007, 10:08 AM

I've never been a fan of those bands, altough Megadeth has always had better lead guitarists.

Posted by: shellshock1911 Nov 27 2007, 05:32 AM

Dave Mustaine for riffs by far. I seriously don't understand how anyone could think otherwise. If you listen and learn James Hetfields riffs, they are all basically the same. Powerchord-chug E string-Powerchord-chug E string-Powerchord-chug E string. And some riffs all he does is chug the E string. Not saying it doesn't sound awesome, but it isn't very creative at all.

Dave Mustaine's riffs I've noticed have a lot of bass runs, like look at Tornado of Souls, those riffs just annihilate everything James Hetfield wrote, hands down.

Dave Mustaine's ability to sing and play far surpasses James Hetfield. If you look on Kill Em' All, you will see James Hetfield changes the riff to something more simple when he is about to sing because he can't sing and play complex rhythms, he does this in nearly every song on that album. Now look at Dave Mustaine's riffs. In Tornado of Souls, he manages to sing and play the really hard riff (2nd one) for like 4 bars or something, which is like nearly impossible, even if you know the riff by heart. Same goes for Never Walk Alone.. Holy Wars..etc.

As far as vocals go, James Hetfield has a better voice, but I prefer Dave Mustaines. It's kinda like how Yngwie Malmsteen's technical skill flat out destroys Hendrix and Dimebag, but people still prefer them. I don't know what it is, it must be that snarling or something. The chorus in United Abominations just sounds so amazing when he is singing and playing...just so awesome.

Posted by: VinceG Nov 27 2007, 11:08 AM

Thats thrash though. When you actually look deeper into it you will find that most thrash bands plays this type of riff; fast chugs of the E string and power chords using A and D string.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 27 2007, 12:14 PM

Even megadeth have the chug-alongs in some songs. Still awesome songs though wink.gif

Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Nov 27 2007, 07:20 PM

PLayers cannot be machted like this. It is an insult for them. I don`t think that any player is better. They are just different that`s all. They all have different means od communicating with an audience. For example do you really think that just because Hetfield doesen`t play that fast and complicated he is in some way worse than Mustaine. OR because Mustaine isn`t as good in writing megahits like Hetfield he is less of a musician. Come on... wink.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 27 2007, 08:36 PM

All true, but this is mainly just asking peoples oppinions, so hopefully no one is taking it to seriously. smile.gif

PS
Hey, the little sentence in your sig is awesome, makes alot of sense wink.gif

Posted by: Animosity Nov 27 2007, 08:56 PM

I like Hetfield over Mustaine in both categories.


QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Nov 21 2007, 11:04 PM) *
It should have been Kirk Hammett vs. Dave Mustaine for the guitarist part of the pole and the vocalist part is fine as it is.


+1


Kirk wins easy.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 27 2007, 09:27 PM

Nah, Dave is one of the best lead players in my oppinion, his solo's are monsterous.

I find Kirk drowns his solo's in WAY to much wah, thats just me though.

Posted by: kevin-riff-after-riff Nov 27 2007, 09:59 PM

hahah duhh!

Posted by: Guitarman700 Nov 27 2007, 10:58 PM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 27 2007, 03:27 PM) *
Nah, Dave is one of the best lead players in my oppinion, his solo's are monsterous.

I find Kirk drowns his solo's in WAY to much wah, thats just me though.

Thats the truest thing thats been said in this thread, listen to kick the chair off of the system has failed, hear that godly solo? all dave.
kirk sucks in ways that haven't been named by science.

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 27 2007, 11:19 PM

QUOTE (Robin @ Nov 25 2007, 07:11 PM) *
I agree. Infact, I dont even like complicated music smile.gif
To me, technical skills mean NOTHING in music, but for others it might mean alot.


We can tell we all feel different about alot of these topics,which is a cool thing that were all not alike or it would be a very boring world tongue.gif For me technical skills is just about Everything in music,reason why?I live a challenge on the guitar,i want to be proud of something im playing and know that it was very difficult to learn but i did it. smile.gif Example a Black Sabbath song could song cool but then take no more skills to play than 2 fingers and being able to play a power chord.For me thats boring and just the easy way to play guitar.

Definatly see your side though because music is so much more than difficulty and ofcourse the sound is the most important thing.Sense im a guitarist though and love to play some of the hardest stuff out there technical is alot .Its what seperates you from being good OR great! smile.gif

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 27 2007, 03:27 PM) *
Nah, Dave is one of the best lead players in my oppinion, his solo's are monsterous.

I find Kirk drowns his solo's in WAY to much wah, thats just me though.



Very Very True +1.Kirk does hide behind his wah wah pedal way to much

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 28 2007, 01:39 AM

I don't think that he really overuses wah too much until the Black Album. Pretty much every fricken solo on it has wah, and I personally can't stand wah most of the time.

Posted by: The Uncreator Nov 28 2007, 02:02 AM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Nov 27 2007, 04:39 PM) *
I don't think that he really overuses wah too much until the Black Album. Pretty much every fricken solo on it has wah, and I personally can't stand wah most of the time.


Yes i must correct myself, everything before Black Album, had a great style and unique tone, but during and after black album, he just hasnt let it go.

Posted by: shredmandan Nov 28 2007, 02:11 AM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Nov 27 2007, 07:39 PM) *
I don't think that he really overuses wah too much until the Black Album. Pretty much every fricken solo on it has wah, and I personally can't stand wah most of the time.


+1 smile.gif
Glad you pointed that out.Im not much of a Wah Wah user myself,i couldnt stand to use one in every single solo i play.Kirk has some good solo's through the first 4 albums,i even like some from Black album.My only thing that made me stop worshiping tongue.gif him as a lead guitarist was he never really sweeps,uses Wah wah too much for my taste,and he doesnt ever really have a strong vibrato sad.gif Still i will always like him just because he was my idol along with Metallica back in the day,if it wasnt for them i may have never started playing guitar

Posted by: SLASH91 Nov 28 2007, 03:54 AM

QUOTE (shredmandan @ Nov 27 2007, 07:11 PM) *
+1 smile.gif
Glad you pointed that out.Im not much of a Wah Wah user myself,i couldnt stand to use one in every single solo i play.Kirk has some good solo's through the first 4 albums,i even like some from Black album.My only thing that made me stop worshiping tongue.gif him as a lead guitarist was he never really sweeps,uses Wah wah too much for my taste,and he doesnt ever really have a strong vibrato sad.gif Still i will always like him just because he was my idol along with Metallica back in the day,if it wasnt for them i may have never started playing guitar


Exactly! He might not be the best guitarist by a long shot, but he has still inspired many, many guitar players, including myself. And just for that I think that he's great. smile.gif


On another note, wah doesn't really bother me when it is more controlled. A couple of his pre- black album solos had wah in them and were really cool, but it's like in the Black Album he tried to pour on as much as he possibly could.

Posted by: Milenkovic Ivan Nov 28 2007, 03:07 PM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 27 2007, 08:36 PM) *
All true, but this is mainly just asking peoples oppinions, so hopefully no one is taking it to seriously. smile.gif

PS
Hey, the little sentence in your sig is awesome, makes alot of sense wink.gif



Maybe a little hard on my oppinion but its all cool off course. Rock on`:)

PS Thanks, it is an old saying among blues players wink.gif

Posted by: Mackietao Nov 29 2007, 12:41 AM

Just wanted to say I picked up the rust in peace record today and I´ve listened to it 3 times.. Just awsome. Even better now then for a lot of years ago when I thought it was really good.. smile.gif

Posted by: Toni Suominen Dec 11 2007, 08:03 PM

James definitely, he's had such a huge influence on me, I just love his vocal and guitar work smile.gif

Posted by: fatb0t Dec 18 2007, 11:59 PM

Okay, comparing guitar skill is kind of difficult, as mentioned above, so I don't want to comment on it.
However, when it comes to vocals I think I can prove Mustaine is infact better.

Metallica: Vocals:

Kill 'Em All (1983)----------------Great
Ride the Lightning (1984)--------Great
Master of Puppets (1986)--------Great
...And Justice for All (1988)-----Great
Metallica (1991)------------------Great
Load (1996) ----------------------Okay
ReLoad (1997)--------------------Lame
St. Anger (2003)-----------------Lamest


------

Megadeth:--------------------------------- Vocals:
1985 Killing Is My Business...---------------Good
1986 Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?-----Very good
1988 So Far, So Good... So What!----------Good
1990 Rust In Peace---------------------------Great
1992 Countdown to Extinction---------------Good
1994 Youthanasia-----------------------------Good
1997 Cryptic Writings------------------------Good
2001 The World Needs a Hero--------------Good
2004 The System Has Failed ---------------Okay
2007 United Abominations-------------------Okay


So, as you see over TIME Mustaine is more consistant. Thus rendering him a better singer over all!

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 19 2007, 12:14 AM

Its all opinion, i know people who think Hetfields voice is better now, i still think Mustaines has remained great throughout the years.

Posted by: Guitarman700 Dec 19 2007, 01:08 AM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Dec 18 2007, 06:14 PM) *
Its all opinion, i know people who think Hetfields voice is better now, i still think Mustaines has remained great throughout the years.

Definitely. can we kill this thread now? dry.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 19 2007, 01:22 AM

It will die, dont worry.

Posted by: fatb0t Dec 19 2007, 02:59 AM

haha sorry guys, I'm new here - I was looking at old threads and felt compelled to respond to this one.

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 19 2007, 03:08 AM

No Problem really wink.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Dec 19 2007, 11:06 AM

Yea no problem, i agree with your vocal timeline too. smile.gif

Posted by: Goliath Dec 19 2007, 01:40 PM

When you say Thrash, I start thinking more in the vein of blazingly fast rhythm lines accompanied with a little shred here and there.


Thrash guitarist making RIFFS: James
Guitarist in general : Dave (Marty Friedman, really though)
Songwriter: James

Posted by: stratman33 Dec 20 2007, 09:59 PM

Guitarist:Dave Mustaine
Vocals:James Hetfield

Posted by: Tomy Jeon Dec 21 2007, 11:29 PM

James is better in my opinion. Maybe because I like Metallica more than Megadeth wink.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 22 2007, 12:08 AM

Haha, your signature is funny, i cant help but say it, but the answer is 5 tongue.gif

you know, 3 4 5 triangles.

God im a loser cool.gif

Posted by: SLASH91 Dec 22 2007, 12:14 AM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Dec 21 2007, 05:08 PM) *
God im a loser cool.gif



+1








You know I'm just kidding, right? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Dec 22 2007, 12:24 AM

PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD! sad.gif

Posted by: PacmanProductions Reborn Dec 22 2007, 12:27 AM

QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Dec 21 2007, 07:24 PM) *
PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD! sad.gif



WHY? you dont like Hatfield OR Mustaine?? tongue.gif

Posted by: Guitarman700 Dec 22 2007, 12:29 AM

dave Mustaine is my idol and i HATE james hetfield, but i despise "whose better " threads. sad.gif

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 22 2007, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (SLASH91 @ Dec 21 2007, 03:14 PM) *
+1
You know I'm just kidding, right? rolleyes.gif


Maybe.... ph34r.gif

Posted by: SLASH91 Dec 22 2007, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Dec 21 2007, 05:30 PM) *
Maybe.... ph34r.gif


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Posted by: twind Dec 27 2007, 03:45 PM

I feel compelled to revive this thread. I think the question should be; if mustaine stayed in Metallica, what style of music would Metallica have played? More Megadeth or Metallica as we know it? Kirk brought alot of blues to metallica which clearly James agrees with when you look at load/reload and the solos he wrote, such as in Nothing Else Matters. Whereas Mustaine is much more rigid in his playstyle and tries to overwhlem more in his playing with some pretty fast stuff.

Posted by: The Uncreator Dec 27 2007, 04:12 PM

Im glad mustaine left metallica, cause if he stayed, we wouldnt have Megadeth, and if we didnt have megadeth, we wouldnt have Rust In Peace, which is just unthinkable!

Posted by: SLASH91 Dec 27 2007, 11:20 PM

^that's the way I look at it.

Had Mustain stayed with Metallica, I think that they would either still be together and playing more of the style of music that Megadeth does now, kind of trying to straddle the fence between more comercial music and thrash metal; or, more likely, imo they would have split up. I mean, Dave has pretty much kicked out or pissed off every band member who's been Megadeth, so he's obviously not the easiest person to get along with.

Posted by: FretDancer69 Dec 28 2007, 01:12 AM

QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Dec 27 2007, 09:12 AM) *
Im glad mustaine left metallica, cause if he stayed, we wouldnt have Megadeth, and if we didnt have megadeth, we wouldnt have Rust In Peace, which is just unthinkable!



Very true, Megadeth and Rust In Peace Kick ass!!!

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