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Do you believe in a God or Gods?
Theist [ 47 ] ** [36.43%]
Agnostic [ 25 ] ** [19.38%]
Atheist [ 44 ] ** [34.11%]
Other [ 13 ] ** [10.08%]
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:02 PM
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I'm a bit bored and was interested in how many GMC'ers are religous.

Theist - believes in the existence of a God or Gods
Agnostic - isn't sure about the existence of a God or Gods
Atheist - does not believe in the existence of a God or Gods
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:05 PM
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:06 PM
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Agnostic. A lot of things are made up in my opinion but I think there is definitely some truth.


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post Mar 21 2008, 02:19 PM
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I responded before reading your definitions. I replied Agnostic not so much because I doubt a creator so much as I doubt religion. Plus I build churches. I get to see what goes on behind close doors really made me appalled by these so called "religious leaders" who are the absolute biggest hypocrites I have ever met.


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post Mar 21 2008, 02:32 PM
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:34 PM
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Good Friday! I'm a Christian (Believe in God). Religion is a topic everyone has an opinion on and I respect everyone's stance. One question I have is if you don't believe in God how do we explain creation? Take our body's for example, the way our fingers can fly on the fret board and our mind telling them we're to go.
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Robwylde @ Mar 21 2008, 01:34 PM) *
Good Friday! I'm a Christian (Believe in God). Religion is a topic everyone has an opinion on and I respect everyone's stance. One question I have is if you don't believe in God how do we explain creation? Take our body's for example, the way our fingers can fly on the fret board and our mind telling them we're to go.

That is why I'm agnostic. I wouldn't like to say what happened. There could well be a god who started it all off. Something had to start creation.


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QUOTE (Robwylde @ Mar 21 2008, 02:34 PM) *
One question I have is if you don't believe in God how do we explain creation?

Evolution by natural selection. And i wouldnt use the word "creation" tongue.gif


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post Mar 21 2008, 02:44 PM
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The argument I don't like is the one about how perfect the conditions in our solar system are for life to exist on earth. I don't believe this was any God, it was just chance. If conditions weren't perfect we wouldn't be here. IF conditions were different we could be on some other planet.
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:46 PM
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Mar 21 2008, 08:32 AM) *
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same. besides the fact that as mysterious physical reality is to our puny brains, the implications of not believing in some God to who you are answerable are not acceptable.

If one says he is an atheist, well if you can takes someones money and bash in his head, and feel you can get away with it, why not do it? Makes no sense to hold back, if you really can get away with it. You are saying you are a spider, take what you can, if you can get away with it, do it. If you kill a million people, what is the big deal, you are an atheist after all. Nothing to answer for. Only thing you have to ask yourself is, "can I get away with it".

That is why you do not be an atheist, the implications are not acceptable. It does not matter if believing is correct or not, all that matters is that you believe.


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QUOTE (Duncan @ Mar 21 2008, 09:44 AM) *
The argument I don't like is the one about how perfect the conditions in our solar system are for life to exist on earth. I don't believe this was any God, it was just chance. If conditions weren't perfect we wouldn't be here. IF conditions were different we could be on some other planet.



I am with you about the conditions that are not perfect.
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Mar 21 2008, 02:46 PM) *
same. besides the fact that as mysterious physical reality is to our puny brains, the implications of not believing in some God to who you are answerable are not acceptable.

If one says he is an atheist, well if you can takes someones money and bash in his head, and feel you can get away with it, why not do it? Makes no sense to hold back, if you really can get away with it. You are saying you are a spider, take what you can, if you can get away with it, do it. If you kill a million people, what is the big deal, you are an atheist after all. Nothing to answer for. Only thing you have to ask yourself is, "can I get away with it".

That is why you do not be an atheist, the implications are not acceptable. It does not matter if believing is correct or not, all that matters is that you believe.

Hmm, if i understood you correct, you mean that atheists cant be moral? And basically atheists can just run around kill and rape people because there isnt any ultimate justice? Just checking if i got it right.


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post Mar 21 2008, 02:52 PM
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I chose agnostic- and this may well turn into a gigantic thread...religious debate? This could go on for a while...
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QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 21 2008, 08:50 AM) *
Hmm, if i understood you correct, you mean that atheists cant be moral? And basically atheists can just run around kill and rape people because there isnt any ultimate justice? Just checking if i got it right.


no, we put them in prison if they do that.

I am saying that a true atheist is totally amoral by definition. it is simple logic.


I am not saying you are amoral. You probably just THINK you are an atheist. Really you are not.

But a true atheist is like Stalin. No problem killing 20 million for political gain. That is true atheism.


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QUOTE (fkalich @ Mar 21 2008, 02:56 PM) *
no, we put them in prison if they do that.

I am saying that a true atheist is totally amoral by definition. it is simple logic.


I am not saying you are amoral. You probably just THINK you are an atheist. Really you are not.

But a true atheist is like Stalin. No problem killing 20 million for political gain. That is true atheism.

What you are saying is pretty much ridiculous. I am an atheist. An atheist is one who does not accept the claim that there is a god. How can that make anyone a bad person? What Stalin, Mao etc. did was not because of atheism. Atheism doesnt motivate anyone to do anything like that. The fact that they were atheist is completely irrelevant to what they did. If they were christian, or muslim, or jewish or whatever, they would still have been as big sick assholes as they were.

Atheism is a position on one single issue: Is there a God? An atheist do not believe so.


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QUOTE (Robin @ Mar 21 2008, 02:03 PM) *
What you are saying is pretty much ridiculous. I am an atheist. An atheist is one who does not accept the claim that there is a god. How can that make anyone a bad person? What Stalin, Mao etc. did was not because of atheism. Atheism doesnt motivate anyone to do anything like that. The fact that they were atheist is completely irrelevant to what they did. If they were christian, or muslim, or jewish or whatever, they would still have been as big sick assholes as they were.

Atheism is a position on one single issue: Is there a God? An atheist do not believe so.


Completely agree on every point. What that other guy was saying was ridiculous. Just because someone doesn't follow a religion, or believe in a God, doesn't mean they don't have any morals, or know the difference between right and wrong.

And I really don't see how you could use Stalin as an example, that is just crazy. It is like me saying God supposably killed everyone on earth apart from some guy and a boat. Is he atheist?
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I am a nihlist.. one way or another i just don't care.. but the idea of reality is too mind boggling for the mind to grasp.. it seems pointless to try, for this i want to bring to GMC's attention the construction of the Large Hadron Collider being constructed somewhere in Europe. These divices are used to discover information about the creation of the universe.. it seems odd to me that we have discovered these types of divices in a world "God" created. The creation of the universe is mind boggling.. even the idea the big bang theory still says the universe started as an infinatly dense object.. which leads to the question how did that object get there.. relgion is just an excuse to give the answer what is reality and to answer the thought of.. why are we here.. if we listen to religion then we listen to a control factor.. if i was a christian.. i would probably commit suicide.. for the purpose of my soul rising to heaven.. but nooo suicide is bad.. it just seems pointless.. live your life and don't question reality.. we are here.. you can feel, see, touch, hear, smell.. use those senses and enjoy life.. there is nothing else to it..


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