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post Dec 10 2008, 02:52 PM
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Taken from Blabbermouth...

COLDPLAY has issued a statement in response to the lawsuit filed against the band by guitarist Joe Satriani in which he claims that COLDPLAY ripped off portions of his song "If I Could Fly" for the group's Grammy-nominated track "Viva La Vida".

"With the greatest possible respect to Joe Satriani, we have now unfortunately found it necessary to respond publicly to his allegations," read the statement. "If there are any similarities between our two pieces of music, they are entirely coincidental, and just as surprising to us as to him. Joe Satriani is a great musician, but he did not write the song 'Viva La Vida'. We respectfully ask him to accept our assurances of this and wish him well with all future endeavours."

In response to COLDPLAY's statement, Satriani's lawyer, Howard E. King, told the Associated Press that COLDPLAY's public reaction was dramatically different from how the guitarist's claims were treated before the lawsuit was filed.

"We attempted to have a dialogue on this before we went public," King said. "We felt almost forced to file suit."

"As far as the 'coincidence,' ultimately that's for a jury to decide," he added.

In an interview with Music Radar conducted this past weekend, Satriani stated about the lawsuit he filed against COLDPLAY, "I felt like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much. The second I heard it, I knew it was 'If I Could Fly'." Satriani added that he has been flooded with emails about the alleged similarity, saying, "Everybody noticed the similarities between the songs. It's pretty obvious. It's as simple as that — when you listen to a song and you say, 'Wow, that's a real rip-off.'"

Satriani filed a copyright infringement suit in Los Angeles last Thursday (December 4). He is seeking a jury trial, damages and "any and all profits" attributable to the alleged copyright infringement.

The guitarist said he "did everything I could to avoid a court case," but claims that "COLDPLAY didn't want to talk about it. They just wanted this whole thing to go away. ... But we're talking about a piece of art that I created, and that's something I feel is important. I think everybody should feel that way."

According to MTV.com, COLDPLAY made mention of Satriani's case against them before the suit was actually filed. During a recent live taping for Yahoo.com, COLDPLAY singer Chris Martin said about the song, "We are being sued by about 12 people who say that we stole it, though I promise we didn't. Including ... I probably shouldn't say (laughs). I can't tell you, I can't tell you, but it rhymes with Moe Batriani."

Industry blogger Bob Lefsetz wrote on Monday (December that all Satriani has to prove in court is that COLDPLAY could have had access to his song, adding, "COLDPLAY absolutely can't win this case. Or even if they possibly could, their image has already been shredded."


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post Dec 10 2008, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Dec 10 2008, 02:52 PM) *
Industry blogger Bob Lefsetz wrote on Monday (December that all Satriani has to prove in court is that COLDPLAY could have had access to his song, adding, "COLDPLAY absolutely can't win this case. Or even if they possibly could, their image has already been shredded."


If that is true then there is something horribly wrong with this world. However I can't imagine something like that actually happening, and if Satriani would win, it would mark a sad day in the history of music.


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post Dec 10 2008, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (Fsgdjv @ Dec 10 2008, 01:55 PM) *
If that is true then there is something horribly wrong with this world. However I can't imagine something like that actually happening, and if Satriani would win, it would mark a sad day in the history of music.

It is from an internet blogger lol. Hardly a good source. I think this statement is much more grown up than Satchs. Just keep it simple and basically saying in court it will be decided. And I for one can't see Coldplay losing and their reputation certainly isn't shredded lol.

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post Dec 10 2008, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 10 2008, 02:58 PM) *
It is from an internet blogger lol. Hardly a good source. I think this statement is much more grown up than Satchs. Just keep it simple and basically saying in court it will be decided. And I for one can't see Coldplay losing and their reputation certainly isn't shredded lol.


I know, that's why I said "if this is true", as I seriously doubt it. And ofc they aren't losing their reputation, at least not from sane people.

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post Dec 10 2008, 02:59 PM
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im REALLY REALLY Sick of this....


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post Dec 10 2008, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Dec 10 2008, 01:59 PM) *
im REALLY REALLY Sick of this....

I really hope part 5 says this has been ended laugh.gif


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post Dec 10 2008, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 10 2008, 09:01 AM) *
I really hope part 5 says this has been ended laugh.gif


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post Dec 10 2008, 03:23 PM
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Same Melody, same chord progression, same rhythm and same tempo.... It's impossible for Coldplay to win this battle... there are too many identical charateristics between the songs to be a
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post Dec 10 2008, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 10 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Same Melody, same chord progression, same rhythm and same tempo.... It's impossible for Coldplay to win this battle... there are too many identical charateristics between the songs to be a
coincidence. ohmy.gif


You mean Satch right?


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post Dec 10 2008, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Dec 10 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Same Melody, same chord progression, same rhythm and same tempo.... It's impossible for Coldplay to win this battle... there are too many identical charateristics between the songs to be a
coincidence. ohmy.gif

I know, what are the odds!!! ohmy.gif


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post Dec 10 2008, 10:59 PM
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Moe Batriani is gonna get some cash as far as I can see, wheter you like it or not guys smile.gif


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Satch is going to win this 100%

I did not know they didnt want to discuss it with him before taking it to court ?
The worst thing about it is they even made jokes about it in live concert!

Man , they will pay up big time.
Satriani has been around more than Coldplay smile.gif


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post Dec 11 2008, 06:03 PM
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The more it proceeds, the more I lean towards Coldplay's side..

As much as I respect Satriani, this is all a bit childish and something I would expect from an unknown musician.

I think Coldplay are smart enough not to copy music, especially not famous music like Satriani's...


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QUOTE (Iluha @ Dec 11 2008, 05:03 PM) *
The more it proceeds, the more I lean towards Coldplay's side..

As much as I respect Satriani, this is all a bit childish and something I would expect from an unknown musician.

I think Coldplay are smart enough not to copy music, especially not famous music like Satriani's...

I also agree and put way better than I ever have laugh.gif


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Dec 10 2008, 04:26 PM) *
You mean Satch right?

Yeah, I`m with Gabriel!
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Perhaps I should start stealing work by famous authors and make lots of money from them.

Or perhaps I should make some software ripping off others' coding.

Or even movies.

There is no doubt that Coldplay did not just copy the melody and chord progression, but the tempo, the pitch, the styling, the phrasing in every aspect. BUT - I can also fully understand 2 ideas can co-exist together by 2 separate parties.


So my question is???

Where do you draw the line? Is it okay to steal from others and make money from their ideas, their work, and their intellectual, copyrighted material and property?








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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Dec 11 2008, 07:16 PM) *
Perhaps I should start stealing work by famous authors and make lots of money from them.

Or perhaps I should make some software ripping off others' coding.

Or even movies.

There is no doubt that Coldplay did not just copy the melody and chord progression, but the tempo, the pitch, the styling, the phrasing in every aspect. BUT - I can also fully understand 2 ideas can co-exist together by 2 separate parties.


So my question is???

Where do you draw the line? Is it okay to steal from others and make money from their ideas, their work, and their intellectual, copyrighted material and property?

I can`t understand why you take it so personal, why should we feel sad,depressed because of others?
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QUOTE (AlexLion @ Dec 11 2008, 12:25 PM) *
I can`t understand why you take it so personal....


Im not taking it personal. I like healthy debates and Im just asking questions to see what people's responses are.

I can care less who wins. I make no money from it. I wont win advocate for Satriani fan club of the year award.

And to be honest they are both good songs.

QUOTE (AlexLion @ Dec 11 2008, 12:25 PM) *
why should we feel sad,depressed because of others?


I won't even comment about that question. dry.gif


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QUOTE (opeth.db @ Dec 11 2008, 07:16 PM) *
Perhaps I should start stealing work by famous authors and make lots of money from them.

Or perhaps I should make some software ripping off others' coding.

Or even movies.

There is no doubt that Coldplay did not just copy the melody and chord progression, but the tempo, the pitch, the styling, the phrasing in every aspect. BUT - I can also fully understand 2 ideas can co-exist together by 2 separate parties.


So my question is???

Where do you draw the line? Is it okay to steal from others and make money from their ideas, their work, and their intellectual, copyrighted material and property?


Well than what do you say about that other band that claims Viva La Vida is a rip-off of their song? their song got singing and it sounds exactly the same...

I think this melody is what I call "Chord Driven" basicly it's the first thing that comes to you'r head when you hear the chord progression... but I can't say this with 100% confidence since my mind is biased after hearing all those songs ;/


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I don't believe in such coincidences in music..I think you can hit few same notes , even phrases , but whole progression, tempo , changes and melodie...??? Hardy....
And I also completely understand the artist that is suing the other party..Imagine you wrote a song and some band took YOUR creative idea and everything and made it their own song...It would be cool if they asked for permission , wrote you in the credits of the song and everything...But any other way is just "stealing"...I'm sure you would all feel bad if you came up with something good and somebody took it just like that...Its just wrong , and sometimes court is the only option to get your MORAL and AUTHOR rights you deserve...



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