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Dec 14 2008, 08:09 AM
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I'm looking to upgrade my head to a marshall tube. I was in the shop, and I've been really stuck on the Kerry King head, which is basically a JCM800 with a button for Kerry's gain, eq setting and noise gate. Isn't surprising since the JCM800 is such a kick ass amp.
But I am wondering if, for the price, anyone has another suggestion. I mean, that head is really awesome, but it's only 1 channel. 98% I'm playing with distortion (unless, I'm practicing scales). Are all JCM800's 1 channel? If there was a foot switch for clean/dist channels, I'd go buy it tomorrow... so I'm hesitant. Although, IF I ever was to play a gig, I could probably just turn the volume on my guitar down if I needed to play clean during a verse or w/e right? Or would that sound like crap? Anyways, here's a link for the demo Guitar World did on it. Then you'll see, I'm not just interested in it cuz Kerry's sig is on it, it's a really great sounding amp. BTW, my local shop has it new for $1400 cdn, and on the net it goes for $2400 cdn. Another option would be just get a used JCM800, what would that be worth in good condition? 2203KK Marshall Head Craig -------------------- Guitars:
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Dec 14 2008, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 14 2008, 08:09 AM)  I'm looking to upgrade my head to a marshall tube. I was in the shop, and I've been really stuck on the Kerry King head, which is basically a JCM800 with a button for Kerry's gain, eq setting and noise gate. Isn't surprising since the JCM800 is such a kick ass amp. But I am wondering if, for the price, anyone has another suggestion. I mean, that head is really awesome, but it's only 1 channel. 98% I'm playing with distortion (unless, I'm practicing scales). Are all JCM800's 1 channel? If there was a foot switch for clean/dist channels, I'd go buy it tomorrow... so I'm hesitant. Although, IF I ever was to play a gig, I could probably just turn the volume on my guitar down if I needed to play clean during a verse or w/e right? Or would that sound like crap? Anyways, here's a link for the demo Guitar World did on it. Then you'll see, I'm not just interested in it cuz Kerry's sig is on it, it's a really great sounding amp. BTW, my local shop has it new for $1400 cdn, and on the net it goes for $2400 cdn. Another option would be just get a used JCM800, what would that be worth in good condition? 2203KK Marshall Head Craig I have a marshall TSL, and I love it. However if I hadn't spent time modding it, I would prolly trade it for an ENGL screamer. More versatile amp. And you will probably play more various styles as you grow musically sircraig, so don't use that as a criteria. Versatility should always be criteria in my opinion. |
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Dec 14 2008, 10:49 AM
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The older models of JCM800 had one channel, later there came two channel amps.
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Dec 14 2008, 12:57 PM
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I still have my old JCM 800 from the early 80's, and yes, back then they only had one channel. Important advice about Marshalls: If you play a head in the shop and you like it, buy EXACTLY this head, not just the same model, Marshall has big problems when it comes to build two amps that sound the same. There are HUGE sound differences even withing the same models.
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Dec 14 2008, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (Sircraigery @ Dec 14 2008, 01:09 AM) I'm looking to upgrade my head to a marshall tube. I was in the shop, and I've been really stuck on the Kerry King head, which is basically a JCM800 with a button for Kerry's gain, eq setting and noise gate. Isn't surprising since the JCM800 is such a kick ass amp. But I am wondering if, for the price, anyone has another suggestion. I mean, that head is really awesome, but it's only 1 channel. 98% I'm playing with distortion (unless, I'm practicing scales). Are all JCM800's 1 channel? If there was a foot switch for clean/dist channels, I'd go buy it tomorrow... so I'm hesitant. Although, IF I ever was to play a gig, I could probably just turn the volume on my guitar down if I needed to play clean during a verse or w/e right? Or would that sound like crap? Anyways, here's a link for the demo Guitar World did on it. Then you'll see, I'm not just interested in it cuz Kerry's sig is on it, it's a really great sounding amp. BTW, my local shop has it new for $1400 cdn, and on the net it goes for $2400 cdn. Another option would be just get a used JCM800, what would that be worth in good condition? 2203KK Marshall Head Craig I've used to play through a JCM 800 2205 Head. Fantastic amp 2 channels clean and overdrive. Serial effect loop and the head has spring reverb. Now I'm playing a JCM 2000 DSL 50 Watt. I will never sell this head as it's what every Marshall should be. It just drips pure Marshall tone and has more gain than you'll ever use. I can get every type of tone I want. Plus, it take effects both in front and trough the effects loop without loosing that Marshall character. But the clean channel is the best Marshall has ever put in a head. Marshall quite making JCM 2000's when they started there JVM line. However, Marshall just released a 85 anniversary Jim Marshall model that brings back the JCM 2000 DSL. Most die hard Marshall people will tell you the DSL sounds better than the TSL and the 50 watt heads are better sounding than the 100 watt heads. I paid $725 US dollars for my head with shipping on Ebay and my head was made in 2005 and was in Mint condition. Not a flaw. Even had all the original tubes. Gives you a idea what you should be able to get one for. Hear for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XB0W26ycw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6jxTChhD7w...feature=related The Marshall 1923 head is the new 85th anniversary head. http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=1923 I'll play Marshall's till the day I die. Just pure rock and roll in a box. tommyboy -------------------- Rock Hard or Not at ALL!!
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Dec 14 2008, 06:42 PM
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JCM2000 DSL50 or TSL60 heads could be what you need mate, they are very versatile and have a bunch of options and high gain. DSL has 2 channels, and TSL has 3 channels. You can check out my TSL601 tutorial here on GMC, it's a combo version, but TSL60 is the exact same amp.
Also I agree with Marcus, you should really buy the head you hear in the store, cause Marshalls tend to sound differently among the same model line, and the fact they use different tube sets. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Dec 14 2008, 06:52 PM
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and another funny thing about Mrshalls is that there only seem to be 2 kind of Marshalls... good ones and bad ones, there is nothing in the middle, either they rock or sound extremely crappy... my humble opinion
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Dec 14 2008, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (tommyboy @ Dec 14 2008, 03:27 PM) I've used to play through a JCM 800 2205 Head. Fantastic amp 2 channels clean and overdrive. Serial effect loop and the head has spring reverb. Now I'm playing a JCM 2000 DSL 50 Watt. I will never sell this head as it's what every Marshall should be. It just drips pure Marshall tone and has more gain than you'll ever use. I can get every type of tone I want. Plus, it take effects both in front and trough the effects loop without loosing that Marshall character. But the clean channel is the best Marshall has ever put in a head. Marshall quite making JCM 2000's when they started there JVM line. However, Marshall just released a 85 anniversary Jim Marshall model that brings back the JCM 2000 DSL. Most die hard Marshall people will tell you the DSL sounds better than the TSL and the 50 watt heads are better sounding than the 100 watt heads. I paid $725 US dollars for my head with shipping on Ebay and my head was made in 2005 and was in Mint condition. Not a flaw. Even had all the original tubes. Gives you a idea what you should be able to get one for. Hear for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XB0W26ycw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6jxTChhD7w...feature=related The Marshall 1923 head is the new 85th anniversary head. http://www.marshallamps.com/product.asp?productCode=1923 I'll play Marshall's till the day I die. Just pure rock and roll in a box. tommyboy reason I didn't buy it is: no emulated output less versatility 'cus of no crunch channel. QUOTE (Marcus Siepen @ Dec 14 2008, 06:52 PM) and another funny thing about Mrshalls is that there only seem to be 2 kind of Marshalls... good ones and bad ones, there is nothing in the middle, either they rock or sound extremely crappy... my humble opinion haha 
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Dec 15 2008, 02:24 AM
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http://www.guitarsite.com/guitar_FAQ.htm#LOOP
Here's a link that helps describe the difference between serial and parallel effects loops. I've got a TSL 100 that has two effects loops that are basically parallel until you crank the wet/dry mix to 10. Then they are serial loops. I wish they made a fifty watt version of the JVM 410h, I'd be all over it. Tommyboy, I respect your take on the amps we're talking about, but I wouldn't mind the four channel JVM 410h if the bells and whistles were usable. Everything I read about this amp tells me it may be the best Marshall ever made. You can get JCM 800 sounds, Plexi sounds, uber-distortion, and excellent cleans. The JVM 205h is the same kind of animal. What I like about the four channels is the ability to come up with an awesome number of usable tones in conjunction with different overdrive pedals. Running two different overdrive boxes on, say, channels two and three, could give you five different lead tones when also utilizing channel four. With that setup, for example, you also would have two or three different clean tones, depending on whether you hit the overdrive pedals or not. And you can do all this without even messing with anything else on the front panel. I also like the Mesa Boogie Road King, a monster. My TSL 100 is good enough, though, as I can get a lot of tones out of it by doing the same thing I was just talking about, except with three channels instead of four. I also like the VPR switch which simulates a 25 watt output instead of 100 watts of blow your face off. I guess it boils down to how much flexibility you think you might need either at home or on stage. SirCraigery, a Mark IV is an unusual amp in that it has both 6L6 and EL34 power tubes. That's what Petrucci is using at the moment, a great sound for sure. I would shop the 6L6 powered amps too. You have so many great amps to choose from.  |
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Dec 15 2008, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Dec 15 2008, 02:24 AM) http://www.guitarsite.com/guitar_FAQ.htm#LOOP ..... SirCraigery, a Mark IV is an unusual amp in that it has both 6L6 and EL34 power tubes. That's what Petrucci is using at the moment, a great sound for sure. I would shop the 6L6 powered amps too. You have so many great amps to choose from. Yeah, the amp seems to be awesome from what I heard of it too. Lamb of God also use the Mark IV (or at least until the dvd I have was made -> Killadelphia). Ok, so a serial loop alters the complete signal coming from the preamp, and the parallel has a "wet/dry" knob to choose how much of the signal you alter with effects? Is this correct? That would be good for some effects like echo and delays. One my main problems with amps is that I cannot dial in a good tone for the life of me. But this could be because my amp kinda sucks haha. The less knobs, the better (almost) if I like the sound of it. QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 15 2008, 02:31 AM) I happen to think the JCM2000 is awful but I have an 800 so I would say that  Yeah, I can't even describe it, that youtube vid doesn't do it justice at all. Maybe he was testing on of the 'bad' Marshalls hehe. I've never heard a jcm2000 with my guitar, so I think I'm heading to the store tomorrow to check out that and the other models mentioned above. QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Dec 15 2008, 02:41 AM) The Kerry king Head is the most Brutal thing i have EVER had the unholy pleasure to plug into, bar none. But, there is NO versatility in that amp. If i was rich, id buy it, but i like my clean channel, Thank you. I agree, and I wanted to marry it. It's just a hobby for me to play some covers after work. I still got my other amp, if I need a clean channel. But man, it would be nice to have both.... I wish it came in a 50W, in all honesty I don't need 100W. Whatever head I do end up buying will probably see drums only 5x in 5 years anyways. -------------------- Guitars:
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Dec 15 2008, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE (FrankW @ Dec 14 2008, 07:24 PM) http://www.guitarsite.com/guitar_FAQ.htm#LOOP Here's a link that helps describe the difference between serial and parallel effects loops. I've got a TSL 100 that has two effects loops that are basically parallel until you crank the wet/dry mix to 10. Then they are serial loops. I wish they made a fifty watt version of the JVM 410h, I'd be all over it. Tommyboy, I respect your take on the amps we're talking about, but I wouldn't mind the four channel JVM 410h if the bells and whistles were usable. Everything I read about this amp tells me it may be the best Marshall ever made. You can get JCM 800 sounds, Plexi sounds, uber-distortion, and excellent cleans. The JVM 205h is the same kind of animal. What I like about the four channels is the ability to come up with an awesome number of usable tones in conjunction with different overdrive pedals. Running two different overdrive boxes on, say, channels two and three, could give you five different lead tones when also utilizing channel four. With that setup, for example, you also would have two or three different clean tones, depending on whether you hit the overdrive pedals or not. And you can do all this without even messing with anything else on the front panel. I also like the Mesa Boogie Road King, a monster. My TSL 100 is good enough, though, as I can get a lot of tones out of it by doing the same thing I was just talking about, except with three channels instead of four. I also like the VPR switch which simulates a 25 watt output instead of 100 watts of blow your face off. I guess it boils down to how much flexibility you think you might need either at home or on stage. SirCraigery, a Mark IV is an unusual amp in that it has both 6L6 and EL34 power tubes. That's what Petrucci is using at the moment, a great sound for sure. I would shop the 6L6 powered amps too. You have so many great amps to choose from. The fun thing about this discussion is that all of the amps we are talking about sound awesome. It's really a matter of splitting hairs once you've acquired a really good tube amp. Why aren't we talking about the Mesa Triaxis. This might just be the most versital tube preamp ever made. Marshall's JMP is quite the unit also. The only reason I pointed out the JCM 2000 DSL was because the 2203 JCM 800 voicing in contained in this amp. But you can pick one up for pennys considering what a new 2203KK goes for. QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 14 2008, 07:31 PM) I happen to think the JCM2000 is awful but I have an 800 so I would say that Dude, your only saying that because you don't think Satch has a legit law suit. If you really think the JCM 2000 series are awful I'm really starting to wonder about your take on tone. Yes, the JCM 800's are great. I used to own one. Still wish I did. However, to think my JCM 2000 is a sloppy second is just stupid. It wouldn't be Marshall's best selling amp to date if it sounded AWFUL!
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