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post Jan 31 2007, 11:13 AM
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I rushed home from work tonight because I was excited to take the scales lesson and learn the C major scale.... but then I discovered that there are various forms of the pentatonic scale and I thought it would be a good idea to expand on the pentatonic.

Below is the diagram of the 2nd Am Pentatonic Scale from the lesson. I've added letters to indicate which finger I think should be used. Would someone mind reviewing the diagram and let me know if the fingering is correct?



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post Jan 31 2007, 11:19 AM
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That looks fine.

You could also shift your hand over and play the b and e strings with your "I" and "R" fingers instead. (I've seen the fingering written both ways in books / online). Though imo the quicker you get used to playing with your pinky the better.

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post Jan 31 2007, 11:31 AM
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Cool. Time to get some guitar in before bed.

Thanks for the help! smile.gif
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post Jan 31 2007, 12:13 PM
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Have fun. biggrin.gif


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post Feb 1 2007, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE (JCJXXL @ Jan 31 2007, 02:13 AM) *
I rushed home from work tonight because I was excited to take the scales lesson and learn the C major scale.... but then I discovered that there are various forms of the pentatonic scale and I thought it would be a good idea to expand on the pentatonic.

Below is the diagram of the 2nd Am Pentatonic Scale from the lesson. I've added letters to indicate which finger I think should be used. Would someone mind reviewing the diagram and let me know if the fingering is correct?



Thanks!


Looks Good - Also known as the "E" form Pentatonic scale if you are familiar with the CAGED pattern of learning. Can you see the E MAjor chord shape in there on the A D anf G strings?

Question for the group that confuses me a bit - why is the Gmaj form Pentatonic(For example Am 5th Fret)referred to as the first pattern here at GMC and the rest go from there -What is the significance that makes it the "first" position pattern other than the one we all learned first. The reason why this confuses me is because many other teaching styles refer to the C Major(or Am) form Pattern as the first pattern since it starts closest to the open strings and the other patterns continue from there - For example the C form Am pattern's root note is the open A (0 fret 5th string) and then each pattern progresses up the fretboard from there. Just curious if I am missing something


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post Feb 1 2007, 12:06 PM
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I found it very helpful to learn all 5 minor pentatonic boxes (also in scale lessons) when i was taking the lessons. also was able to learn how to sart in different keys(am, bm, cm, dm, em pentatonic). this has helped me move diagonaly and horizontaly around the fret board. which has helped out alot in soloing..

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post Feb 1 2007, 09:02 PM
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Thanks for the info guys. I appreciate all of the help. I was playing around in Guitar Pro last night and noticed that there are all kinds of scales. For example, Japanese, Hawaiian,etc.. and alot of other "weird" ones I have never heard of.
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post Feb 1 2007, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (Guitar1969 @ Feb 1 2007, 07:57 AM) *
Looks Good - Also known as the "E" form Pentatonic scale if you are familiar with the CAGED pattern of learning. Can you see the E MAjor chord shape in there on the A D anf G strings?

Question for the group that confuses me a bit - why is the Gmaj form Pentatonic(For example Am 5th Fret)referred to as the first pattern here at GMC and the rest go from there -What is the significance that makes it the "first" position pattern other than the one we all learned first.

Ok, I'm no expert at theory but I think....

If you take the forumla of the major scale WWHWWWH (W - Whole step or 2 frets, H - Half step or 1 fret) and apply it to the fret board to make an easily playable scale pattern you get the following shape:

e---2-----3--------5----
b---------3--------5----
G---2---------4---5-----
D---2---------4---5----
A---2-----3-------5----
E----------3-------5-----

(Example is G Major scale - the A (5th fret) on the high e string has been added on the end of the scale pattern because it fits.)

The major pentatonic shapes is derived from the Ionian Mode (major scale) by taking the Root, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th notes in the progression and omitting the weaker notes (the 4th and the 7th).

So when we do this to the major scale we end up with the following scale pattern:

e---------3--------5----
b---------3--------5----
G---2---------4---------
D---2-------------5----
A---2-------------5----
E----------3-------5-----

The first box of the G major pentanonic.

Applying the correct intervals for the minor pentatonic (Root, flat 3rd, 4th, 5th, flat 7th) we get this shape:

e---------3-------------6----
b---------3-------------6----
G---------3---------5--------
D---------3---------5------
A---------3---------5-------
E---------3-------------6-----

The first box of the G minor pentatonic.

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post Feb 2 2007, 02:58 AM
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QUOTE (Zee Deveel @ Feb 1 2007, 01:31 PM) *
Ok, I'm no expert at theory but I think....

If you take the forumla of the major scale WWHWWWH (W - Whole step or 2 frets, H - Half step or 1 fret) and apply it to the fret board to make an easily playable scale pattern you get the following shape:

e---2-----3--------5----
b---------3--------5----
G---2---------4---5-----
D---2---------4---5----
A---2-----3-------5----
E----------3-------5-----

(Example is G Major scale - the A (5th fret) on the high e string has been added on the end of the scale pattern because it fits.)

The major pentatonic shapes is derived from the Ionian Mode (major scale) by taking the Root, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th notes in the progression and omitting the weaker notes (the 4th and the 7th).

So when we do this to the major scale we end up with the following scale pattern:

e---------3--------5----
b---------3--------5----
G---2---------4---------
D---2-------------5----
A---2-------------5----
E----------3-------5-----

The first box of the G major pentanonic.

Applying the correct intervals for the minor pentatonic (Root, flat 3rd, 4th, 5th, flat 7th) we get this shape:

e---------3-------------6----
b---------3-------------6----
G---------3---------5--------
D---------3---------5------
A---------3---------5-------
E---------3-------------6-----

The first box of the G minor pentatonic.


I kind of see what you're saying.

I guess my problem is that I have originally learned the pentatonics as Majors and just convert them to minors as needed(6th degree of major scale- since they are the same scales) so my thinking is different than here where everything is related to the minor pentatonics.


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post Feb 2 2007, 06:21 AM
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To be honest, I found the CAGED system overly confusing and didn't bother with it, sounds like it's got you mixed up a bit too.


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post Feb 2 2007, 06:34 AM
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Try this pattern ....

You don't want to be one of those "casn't get out of the bax guys"

this is a common pentatonic run spanning 4 patterns...

---------------------------------------------8-10sl--12---
--------------------------------------8--10---------------
---------------------------5--7sl--9----------------------
--------------------5--7----------------------------------
--------3--5sl--7-----------------------------------------
-3--5-----------------------------------------------------
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post Feb 3 2007, 01:50 AM
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QUOTE (Zee Deveel @ Feb 1 2007, 09:21 PM) *
To be honest, I found the CAGED system overly confusing and didn't bother with it, sounds like it's got you mixed up a bit too.


Not too much - I just don't think in terms of Minors without a conversion from the major pentaonics- It helps me span accross multiple boxes from one end of the fretboard to the other(For example the lead pattern above is also provided in the caged system since its a piece from multiple boxes).

What it doesn't help with is phrasing. As with most teaching, you take bits and pieces


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post Feb 3 2007, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE (raqroso@msn.com @ Feb 1 2007, 09:34 PM) *
Try this pattern ....

You don't want to be one of those "casn't get out of the bax guys"

this is a common pentatonic run spanning 4 patterns...

---------------------------------------------8-10sl--12---
--------------------------------------8--10---------------
---------------------------5--7sl--9----------------------
--------------------5--7----------------------------------
--------3--5sl--7-----------------------------------------
-3--5-----------------------------------------------------



Good reminder!!

That's Lead Scale 2

It has the major root on the A string - its a C major scale(or Am scale)-3rd fret of A string is the root. It depends on where you start it)


Here's the one that goes with it - Lead Scale 1 (For Major Roots on the Low E string).
------------------------------------------------------------10---12
---------------------------------------------8--10sl--12-------
--------------------------------------7--9-------------------
---------------------------5--7sl--9-------------------------
--------------------5--7------------------------------------
--------3--5sl--7-------------------------------------------

This particular scale is a Gmaj scale(or Em scale) - 3rd fret of low E string is the root. Really gets you to not think of thye boxes although they are in there


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