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Pedja Simovic
post May 19 2009, 03:04 PM
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Hello GMC !

Welcome to another in class type collaboration.
I have to say I was really thinking hard what should be your next in class type collaboration. I was analyzing your solos from previous collaborations and noticed that biggest problem in most takes was your phrasing. To be more exact, I am talking about down beat and up beat type rhythm and playing. This lead me to finally create backing track which is suitable for many sorts of solos (which I will talk about later) but we will use it for Straight vs Syncopated soloing !


Ok, so our topic for this in class type collaboration is Straight rhythm vs Syncopated rhythm soloing !

This means that your solo has to contain both types of rhythms.
Straight rhythm is basically if you start on Down beat (1 2 3 4) and play rhythm like Whole, Half, Quarter, Eight and Sixteen notes ! It is essential that your rhythm here doesn't carry over when you are doing this , in other words you are not using any DOTS OR TIES ! (to make things easier for you guys).
Syncopated rhythm is opposite from Straight rhythm. You need to start your phrases on Up beat (one AND two AND three AND four AND - so you start on AND always!). It is also essential that with syncopated rhythm melodies or your solo sounds OF BEAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE !
Another trick to achieve syncopated rhythm is to use TRIPLETS. The best triplet to throw you of is Quarter note triplet !!! You can also use doted rhythms when playing syncopated melodies, in fact I highly recommend you do it (dotted quarters will work wonders here of course!).
Remember that you can also start on up beat and keep playing regular rhythm and it will sound syncopated !!!


I hope this little information and intro was very valuable for you before you start tackling your solos.


Backing track is at 140 bpm and is in A minor.

I used Latin type feel in Bass and Drums with very specific Piano sound. I hope you dig it !

Chord progression is :

// A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min7 Amin6 / A min7 Amin6 / D min7/ G7 /
/ A min / A min / A min (E7#9)/ E7#9 //




Notice how backing track has chords entering before they actually need to appear.
This is ANTICIPATION, Syncopated rhythm and Harmonic Displacement !
I moved on purpose some of the chords one eight note earlier.
See if you can spot where chords appear earlier in the chord progression.


About soloing :


- Use arpeggios (if you want and can smile.gif
- A harmonic Minor is mostly key center
- Over A min7 A min6 you can use A DORIAN MODE (G major scale)
- D min7 G7 part is A aeolian or A natural minor (A minor pentatonic if you want to simplify it)
- E7#9 you can do arpeggios or E altered scale (F melodic minor) as well as E half whole diminished scale.


I hope to hear some cool takes in this one guys. It should be lots of fun and a challenge ( I HOPE!!!).

Deadline for submitting your takes 7th of June ! I have decided to extend the deadline after receiving only couple of takes.

Let me know if you have any questions and need any help !

Enjoy the backing !


Pedja


List of participants :

1) Velvet Roger (auto sign up) - Recorded
2) Tolek (auto sign up)
3) enforcer (auto sign up)
4) wrk (auto sign up) - Recorded
5) Outlaw2112 (auto sign up) - Recorded
6) Jesse (auto sign up)
7) superize
8) berko (auto sign up) - Recorded
9) coffeeman (auto sign up)
10) sted (Recorded)
11) kaznie_NL (auto sign up) - Recorded
12) Caelumattendum - Recorded
13) JVM
14) kjutte (Recorded)
15) JamesT (auto sign up) - Recorded
16) Dexxter - Recorded
17) jdriver - Recorded
18) Oxac - Recorded
19) Pedja Simovic (Recorded)

P.S. I am providing you two guitar pro files, each with rhythm examples for Straight and Syncopated rhythms !
You can also download my solo here and in upload thread !
I included guitar pro file of my solo. Use it for analysis only and to double check your work. I strongly recommend you transcribe it before downloading it.

Lesson in HQ on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2QN33e9EI&fmt=18

or watch it bellow



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post May 19 2009, 03:10 PM
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Great! This one is going to be a real challenge for me!

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post May 19 2009, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (Jesse @ May 19 2009, 04:10 PM) *
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I also put you on auto sign up for further collabs since you mentioned it on MSN smile.gif


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post May 19 2009, 03:16 PM
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I will give this a try


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QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 04:16 PM) *
I will give this a try


Awesome Superize!


I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for smile.gif


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post May 19 2009, 03:32 PM
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I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit laugh.gif mellow.gif

This is going to be very interesting.


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post May 19 2009, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:32 PM) *
I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit laugh.gif mellow.gif

This is going to be very interesting.



Haha I was waiting for you to say that !
Great Berko, I am very excited to hear how you will do with this one smile.gif
You are on the list of course !


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Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.


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post May 19 2009, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.


Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list. smile.gif


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post May 19 2009, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.


You are in of course !
Thank you for complimenting backing track - I was worried it would be too much smile.gif

QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:49 PM) *
Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list. smile.gif


You are both on auto sign up for all future collaborations from now on smile.gif


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This looks like something really interesting smile.gif I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know smile.gif


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QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 19 2009, 04:56 PM) *
This looks like something really interesting smile.gif I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know smile.gif


Thanks for kind words Emir, you are always welcome of course smile.gif
Let me know if you get the chance to do it !


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I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected laugh.gif guess thats called learning the hard way!!
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QUOTE (sted @ May 19 2009, 05:12 PM) *
I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected laugh.gif guess thats called learning the hard way!!


Cool !


I will post now some examples of rhythm for Straight and Syncopated soloing in guitar pro smile.gif


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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 19 2009, 04:17 PM) *
Awesome Superize!


I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for smile.gif


That will certenly help since dont really understand


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QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 05:25 PM) *
That will certenly help since dont really understand


Great smile.gif

I just uploaded 8 bars of different straight rhythm soloing combinations.

Its on the top of the page under backing track, but you can also download it HERE


Edit : In the meanwhile I also posted Syncopated rhythm examples. Check it out on the top of the page or click HERE

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I'm in wink.gif But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing laugh.gif


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QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 19 2009, 07:14 PM) *
I'm in wink.gif But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing laugh.gif


Welcome Kaz !
I am wondering what you will come up with in this one smile.gif


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QUOTE (JVM @ May 19 2009, 08:29 PM) *
I'd love to do this one smile.gif


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