How Well Did Jimmy Paige Know Theory?, or the other members? |
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How Well Did Jimmy Paige Know Theory?, or the other members? |
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Sep 8 2009, 02:40 AM |
I listed to Zeppelin and I find a complex and wide depth of feel and culture.
How well did any of the members know composition and or theory? |
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Sep 8 2009, 03:16 AM |
I listed to Zeppelin and I find a complex and wide depth of feel and culture. How well did any of the members know composition and or theory? Only John Paul Jones knew it Other guys' job was just to rock but they were the best in the world for it -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Sep 8 2009, 11:59 AM |
I don't think Jimmy Paige knows more than his pentatonic and a few chords... Probably But he did his job very well, especially about writing the riffs. -------------------- ::: Main Gear ::: Guitars: Washburn N4 Vintage | Washburn N2 | Washburn WI67Pro | Washburn WG-587 | Washburn EA20B Amps: Laney GH50L (head) | Laney GS410 & GS212IE (cabinets) | Rocktron PROGAP Ultra (rack preamp) | Rocktron Velocity 150 (power amp) | Marshall VS230 (combo) FXs: Rocktron Intellifex + custom pedalboard (check my video demo) Other: Shredneck | Intellitouch PT10 tuner Picks: Esseti Picks Software & Recording Gear: Cubase 4 | Overloud TH1 | Mackie Onyx 400F | EZdrummer | Korg Pandora PX4D ------------------------------------------------------- myspace.com/jerryarcidiacono Check out my video lessons and instructor board! |
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Sep 8 2009, 01:01 PM |
I don't think Jimmy Paige knows more than his pentatonic and a few chords... I would say I don't know if Jimmy Page knew... -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Sep 8 2009, 01:42 PM |
There is a movie coming out this month or next month called It Might Get Loud. Its an in depth interview with Jack White, Jimmy Page and The Edge. I am sure this movie will have some insight on this subject. I am looking forward to being able to see the movie. If you google It Might Get Loud you will see some good Trailers for the Movie
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Sep 8 2009, 02:18 PM |
Page was a session guy for many years. I dunno if you can do that and still be a pentatonic hero, or a "let's jam on 5" kinda guy, y'know?
I heard this from Lynch: "You know how the most incredible guys didn't know music? It's lies. Hendrix knew his theory." Lynch could be wrong, at least in some cases. I know B.B. King insists that he doesn't know anything, for example. -------------------- ::jafomatic
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Sep 8 2009, 04:06 PM |
Jaf, I agree that being a session musician must teach you a lot of stuff, at least the basics even if you don't delve in to studying it. Of course, some people just have great ears. My dad doesn't know a single scale but he knows his chords really well, and therefore his intervals too, and always knows what key to play in even in a pick up jam. I was thinking this in the other direction: you won't LAST long as a session guy if you can't keep up with whatever arrives in the studio that day. Anyway, George Lynch could have been wrong. He was willing to say what I quoted on TV and he was willing admit some things he wasn't able to do very well (there was a discussion about sweep picking and some youtube jokes) so it definitely seemed honest and credible. Just thinking maybe we don't really know one way or the other without asking a guy. How would you ask Jimmy Page if he really knows music? -------------------- ::jafomatic
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Sep 8 2009, 04:11 PM |
Good points, I guess I was saying that if you know enough to get hired as a session guy and keep the job, you're still bound to learn a lot. I think I saw the George Lynch thing. Either way I did see him jam with Dave Navarro and they talked about a similar subject, that was an interesting video. That's the one I saw I really didn't like Navarro until he earned some points in that very same episode, talking about being unable to sweep and "staying up late trying to learn it from youtube videos" and laughing at himself. Maybe we can find interviews with Page. The wikipedia talks about his session work but no schooling in music is mentioned. -------------------- ::jafomatic
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Sep 8 2009, 04:54 PM |
Jimmy didn't need to know any theory. He is for me no.1 player of all times, maybe even bigger face than Hendrix (which also didn't know any theory). Jimmy plays and composes what sounds good to him. Of course it is good if you know some theory but it worked for him without it. He surely does know which scale to play over which chord but might not know to name that scale. His solos are mainly based on licks but his rhythm structure and chords in different tunings sound like a true art. My ex. jazz teacher Shaun Baxter (maybe one of the best in the world) interviewed Van Halen for some guitar magazine. He told us that Halen doesn't have a clue of what he is playing. For Jimmy it doesn't surprise me but for Mr. Halen it does. All his notes are just what he hears, no way he could tell you which scale, which box etc... The thing here is that you can still play good without any theory but knowing it will only do you even better.
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Sep 8 2009, 08:01 PM |
I still don't like him, but I love his guitar playing Here's a question: We all learn at our own pace here at GMC (unless we're set up in the MTP) and we only get out what we put in. Are we still self taught? We're not formally instructed I think, at least, not any instruction that a music university would recognize. Hmm I guess this is hard to define. Are you still self taught if you took some lessons from private teacher? If not then I don't think you are completely self taught using GMC or some other online forms of learning too. (because its very similar or even better then real teacher). Technology really progressed a lot so you can learn from home lots of things you couldn't in past. There are colleges that offer online learning (regular schools, not music ones). They all work pretty much the same as GMC, collaborations , forum , lessons , assignments etc. Once you finish exams at that online school you get a diploma even though you learned at your own pace from home (self taught?). Formal education (recognized diploma is something else and I'm sure its in the future of GMC). These are just some of my mumblings on the subject ehehhe This post has been edited by Bogdan Radovic: Sep 8 2009, 08:02 PM -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Sep 9 2009, 02:55 AM |
I think that they were in the right situation, in the right time, doing the right thing to succeed. I think if Zep would be a band in these times, they wouldn't succeed. Just because of the fact that music has become once again into something really complex, like baroque times. (And, in my opinion, even more complex).
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