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Brandon Earman
post Oct 15 2009, 12:30 AM
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Hey GMC, I'm wondering how many of you instructors and/or expert players out there know your fretboard up and down note wise. For instance, you can put your finger on any fret on the guitar and within 1 second know which note that is. It seems like if you knew this, improv and any style would become so much easier.

If you do have this down, please share your advice for memorizing the notes.

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post Oct 15 2009, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (earman @ Oct 14 2009, 07:30 PM) *
Hey GMC, I'm wondering how many of you instructors and/or expert players out there know your fretboard up and down note wise. For instance, you can put your finger on any fret on the guitar and within 1 second know which note that is. It seems like if you knew this, improv and any style would become so much easier.

If you do have this down, please share your advice for memorizing the notes.

Thanks in advance.

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post Oct 15 2009, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE (David Wallimann @ Oct 14 2009, 07:34 PM) *
I don't... I should.. I will!
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WHAT! Man I got a long ways to go.... laugh.gif


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Muris Varajic
post Oct 15 2009, 01:04 AM
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I can name you any note on the fretboard in one sec as you asked
BUT that doesn't have much to do with improvising after all. smile.gif
It's good for navigation ofc like when you jump from one position to another
but after that we pretty much use familiar fingerings
we learned by playing scales over and over and over,
simple cause we can't process name of each note in real time as we play, play a bit faster.

My advice would be just to think of the notes you play every once in a while,
stop at one point and ask yourself which note is that you're playing.
Dots are also good and very useful, use them. smile.gif

edit: and learn scales in theory if you can, learn notes for every scale,
knowing name for each degree in every scale will surely help as well. smile.gif

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post Oct 15 2009, 01:15 AM
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Regarding this topic I've made a few lessons that I think they'll help you to achieve this goal

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post Oct 15 2009, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2009, 02:04 AM) *
I can name you any note on the fretboard in one sec as you asked
BUT that doesn't have much to do with improvising after all. smile.gif
It's good for navigation ofc like when you jump from one position to another
but after that we pretty much use familiar fingerings
we learned by playing scales over and over and over,
simple cause we can't process name of each note in real time as we play, play a bit faster.

My advice would be just to think of the notes you play every once in a while,
stop at one point and ask yourself which note is that you're playing.
Dots are also good and very useful, use them. smile.gif

edit: and learn scales in theory if you can, learn notes for every scale,
knowing name for each degree in every scale will surely help as well. smile.gif


wow.. thats really interesting actually..
i always thought that knowing the notes by heart, would make me a much more awesome guitar player and improviser, but now you are telling me that this aint truly the case.. it will make it easier to "jump around", but you rely on scale shapes..

really interesting.. thanks.. smile.gif
guess i will have to do some scale practice then.. tongue.gif

btw.. at what point should you start to learn a new scale? i have more or less been playing the pentatonic major/minor scales for the past year, and while i am definately improving on it and finding it easier and easier to locate a starting point for playing, i still dont think i am utilizing the scale good enough yet..

I had begun practicing the major scale, and i actually know the positions, but i am actually finding it a bit difficult to incorporate those last two notes in my playing..somehow i don't think it sounds thats good..

so i guess my question is, do i begin practicing a new scale as soon as i know the patterns and can play them so-so, or should i wait until i can play the scale by heart and can make it sound musical?!

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post Oct 15 2009, 09:57 AM
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I can, and yes it is very useful. I used a program called Fretpro to learn all the notes.
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post Oct 15 2009, 12:32 PM
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I think I would know every note if you tell me the fret and the string. I agree with Muris, I don't think of that when I improvise. I think of the shape not the full/half steps or note names. I just know which shape to use and it works for me


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post Oct 15 2009, 12:52 PM
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I can probably tell each note in more or less of a second if you point me there, but as Muris and Emir said already, it's more about relations between the notes, scales and chords regarding improvising.
You have to know the scale patterns (and arpeggio patterns over them) inside out - that is the beginning.
After a while you should develop relative ear in such manner so you tie the intervals to notes if that makes sense. For every note you play, you should be able to anticipate the next one you come up with and know where the finger will go (you don't have to know the note name, but how that note sounds).
Same goes for sequences, if you want to play sequence, like a run for example, you should anticipate the pattern and where it ends. This sounds a bit hard to do, but actually through lot of hard work (constant playing of scales, patterns, arpeggios etc) it slowly becomes second nature in a very straightforward, easy and natural way.

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Even if you don't think knowing the notes doesn't help improvising much, it does help a lot of other things.
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 15 2009, 12:55 PM) *
Even if you don't think knowing the notes doesn't help improvising much, it does help a lot of other things.

Of course. The more you know, the better smile.gif


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post Oct 15 2009, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 15 2009, 01:55 PM) *
Even if you don't think knowing the notes doesn't help improvising much, it does help a lot of other things.


Nobody said that not knowing notes is a plus,
thing is that we are not able to process name of every note when we play in realtime,
we either need faster CPU or more RAM, not sure. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2009, 02:02 PM) *
Nobody said that not knowing notes is a plus,
thing is that we are not able to process name of every note when we play in realtime,
we either need faster CPU or more RAM, not sure. biggrin.gif


biggrin.gif tongue.gif. Seriously though if I'm not playing fast, I'm just playing reasonably slow and melodically, I use my knowledge of notes to help me improvise, so I think if you're not shredding knowing your notes can help improvising.
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 15 2009, 03:06 PM) *
biggrin.gif tongue.gif. Seriously though if I'm not playing fast, I'm just playing reasonably slow and melodically, I use my knowledge of notes to help me improvise, so I think if you're not shredding knowing your notes can help improvising.


You still talking about knowing names of every note in realtime
or knowing degrees and how they sound?
Cause that's not the same. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2009, 02:10 PM) *
You still talking about knowing names of every note in realtime
or knowing degrees and how they sound?
Cause that's not the same. smile.gif


Well I do use my knowledge of intervals as well when I improvise, but yeh I'm still talking about knowing note names in real time.
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QUOTE (Matt23 @ Oct 15 2009, 03:12 PM) *
Well I do use my knowledge of intervals as well when I improvise, but yeh I'm still talking about knowing note names in real time.


Well that might work for some slower lines etc.
I'm not saying that it's pointless to know names
but it's really impossible to tell every name to yourself when
doing anything a bit faster.
Also it's hard to analyze that, we would need some software
installed in our brains to tells us how really we are aware of every single note name
in realtime as well play.
My guess is still that we are no able to process every single one at high speeds. smile.gif


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QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ Oct 15 2009, 02:18 PM) *
Well that might work for some slower lines etc.
I'm not saying that it's pointless to know names
but it's really impossible to tell every name to yourself when
doing anything a bit faster.
Also it's hard to analyze that, we would need some software
installed in our brains to tells us how really we are aware of every single note name
in realtime as well play.
My guess is still that we are no able to process every single one at high speeds. smile.gif


Yeh at higher speeds I use patterns, licks and intervals, but at lower speeds, knowing notes is very useful, especially when you're soloing with chord tones.
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Yeah, my old instructor was a machine when it came to notes, scales, intervals etc he could sight read classical pieces almost immediately BUT....he was trained since the age of about 7 or 8 and instantly knew the relationships between all the notes, which I am sure is where the secret lies to better playing.
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QUOTE (sted @ Oct 15 2009, 09:04 PM) *
Yeah, my old instructor was a machine when it came to notes, scales, intervals etc he could sight read classical pieces almost immediately BUT....he was trained since the age of about 7 or 8 and instantly knew the relationships between all the notes, which I am sure is where the secret lies to better playing.


I don't believe you MUST start at that age to master fretboard eventually,
it's never late, it's work, work and work. smile.gif


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