0 0

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Podx3 Or Daw?, What to buy?
frankdb
post Dec 8 2009, 11:24 AM
Post #1


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 28-November 09
From: Atri (Te) - Italy
Member No.: 7.941



Hello fom Italy: Visit My You Tube Channel .
I have this equipment:
Line 6 Variax 700 guitar;4 kinds of effects:
Roland VGA-5 Guitar Amplifier (11 COSM ampliefier type and 10 COSM speaker types that one can freely combine to create sounds; 4 types of effect that can be used simultaneousely: EFX (Wah, Tremolo, Compressor, Slow Gear, Phaser and Flanger that any of them can be selected at one time), delay, chorus and reverb;
a pc equipped with e-mu tracker pre audio interface/mobile preamp (software: Cakewalk SONAR LE 6.2, Steinberg Cubase LE 4, Celemony essential, IK Multimedia Amplitube LE, SFX Machine LT, E-MU Proteus VX) and an Empire PS-2120D speaker system;
another pc equipped with e-mu 0404 audio/midi interface (software: Cakewalk SONAR LE, Steinberg Cubase LE, Ableton Live Lite 4 for e-mu, Steiberg Wavelab Lite, IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE, SFX Machine LT, Minnetonka diskWelder Bronze (text version) and e-mu proteus Vx) and an IK Multimedia stealth plug guitar/bass usb cable audio card+amp & fx Modeling software (software: tracktion 2.1, t-racks eq, sampltank 2, amplitude 2 live);
I have also a discret electric and a good acoustic guitar.
I usually use the most recent Band in a Box last version to create accompaniment tracks when I play piano or guitar.
Until now I've rarely used Variax 700 guitar, Roland amplifier and all the software included with the 2 e-mu sound cards.
My questions are:
1) I would like to buy Line 6 pod x 3, also because i've the variax 700 guitar, to start recording with my pc and use it as a multieffects but i think that I've 2 good e-mu sound cards and isn't better to buy a daw software or upgrade one of the software that i have in light edition?
I would like to register on my pc, using the accompaniment created with band in a box, my parts of piano, guitar and voice (i've also a shure sm58 microphone and a virtualizer pro dsp2024p).
2) Which is a good acoustic multieffect to use with my roland amplifier and eko acoustic guitar corral model (I use a pickup to connect it to the amplifier) and a cheap Ibanez classic guitar equipped with a tuner, volume, bass and treble control?
3) Does my Roland cosm amplifier keep the original sound of my variax 700 guitar or how must I use the roland amplifier to render the original sound of my variax 700 guitar? My 65 watt amplifier can also be used in manual control to use it as a regular analog ampliefer (it has other than the knobs to control amp and speaker cosm also 2 input - high and low -, a gain, a volume, an equilizer, a presence, the 4 types effects and a master knobs.
Thanks to all of this great guitar player community that will help me to clarify my doubts. Francesco.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Staffy
post Dec 8 2009, 11:38 AM
Post #2


Learning Tone Master
Group Icon

Group: MVC
Posts: 2.294
Joined: 18-June 09
From: Genarp, Sweden
Member No.: 7.291



QUOTE (frankdb @ Dec 8 2009, 11:24 AM) *
Hello fom Italy: Visit My You Tube Channel .
I have this equipment:
Line 6 Variax 700 guitar;4 kinds of effects:
Roland VGA-5 Guitar Amplifier (11 COSM ampliefier type and 10 COSM speaker types that one can freely combine to create sounds; 4 types of effect that can be used simultaneousely: EFX (Wah, Tremolo, Compressor, Slow Gear, Phaser and Flanger that any of them can be selected at one time), delay, chorus and reverb;
a pc equipped with e-mu tracker pre audio interface/mobile preamp (software: Cakewalk SONAR LE 6.2, Steinberg Cubase LE 4, Celemony essential, IK Multimedia Amplitube LE, SFX Machine LT, E-MU Proteus VX) and an Empire PS-2120D speaker system;
another pc equipped with e-mu 0404 audio/midi interface (software: Cakewalk SONAR LE, Steinberg Cubase LE, Ableton Live Lite 4 for e-mu, Steiberg Wavelab Lite, IK Multimedia AmpliTube LE, SFX Machine LT, Minnetonka diskWelder Bronze (text version) and e-mu proteus Vx) and an IK Multimedia stealth plug guitar/bass usb cable audio card+amp & fx Modeling software (software: tracktion 2.1, t-racks eq, sampltank 2, amplitude 2 live);
I have also a discret electric and a good acoustic guitar.
I usually use the most recent Band in a Box last version to create accompaniment tracks when I play piano or guitar.
Until now I've rarely used Variax 700 guitar, Roland amplifier and all the software included with the 2 e-mu sound cards.
My questions are:
1) I would like to buy Line 6 pod x 3, also because i've the variax 700 guitar, to start recording with my pc and use it as a multieffects but i think that I've 2 good e-mu sound cards and isn't better to buy a daw software or upgrade one of the software that i have in light edition?
I would like to register on my pc, using the accompaniment created with band in a box, my parts of piano, guitar and voice (i've also a shure sm58 microphone and a virtualizer pro dsp2024p).
2) Which is a good acoustic multieffect to use with my roland amplifier and eko acoustic guitar corral model (I use a pickup to connect it to the amplifier) and a cheap Ibanez classic guitar equipped with a tuner, volume, bass and treble control?
3) Does my Roland cosm amplifier keep the original sound of my variax 700 guitar or how must I use the roland amplifier to render the original sound of my variax 700 guitar? My 65 watt amplifier can also be used in manual control to use it as a regular analog ampliefer (it has other than the knobs to control amp and speaker cosm also 2 input - high and low -, a gain, a volume, an equilizer, a presence, the 4 types effects and a master knobs.
Thanks to all of this great guitar player community that will help me to clarify my doubts. Francesco.


Applies to question 2: I will suggest some of TC-Electronics multi-effects since You dont have any need for distorsion or such anyway. Another interesting choice would be a used Lexicon machine, since they are too expensive new....

//Staffay


--------------------


Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string
Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60
Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2
Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
frankdb
post Dec 8 2009, 01:56 PM
Post #3


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 28-November 09
From: Atri (Te) - Italy
Member No.: 7.941



QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 8 2009, 10:38 AM) *
Applies to question 2: I will suggest some of TC-Electronics multi-effects since You dont have any need for distorsion or such anyway. Another interesting choice would be a used Lexicon machine, since they are too expensive new....

//Staffay

Thank you for suggestion.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Daniel Realpe
post Dec 11 2009, 01:38 AM
Post #4


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 5.655
Joined: 11-October 09
From: Bogota
Member No.: 7.694



if you buy the Live edition of the X3 that would change things cause you can use it for many more things


--------------------
Visit my:
INSTRUCTOR PROFILE

"If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music."
Gustav Mahler


Subscribe to my Youtube Channel here
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
natesavage
post Dec 14 2009, 08:20 PM
Post #5


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 10
Joined: 29-November 09
Member No.: 8.041



Have you checked out the G Natural for acoustic or the Nova System for electric? Super hight quality with lots and lots of control over your effects.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ivan Milenkovic
post Dec 15 2009, 01:08 AM
Post #6


Instructor
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 25.396
Joined: 20-November 07
From: Belgrade, Serbia
Member No.: 3.341



QUOTE
1) I would like to buy Line 6 pod x 3, also because i've the variax 700 guitar, to start recording with my pc and use it as a multieffects but i think that I've 2 good e-mu sound cards and isn't better to buy a daw software or upgrade one of the software that i have in light edition?
I would like to register on my pc, using the accompaniment created with band in a box, my parts of piano, guitar and voice (i've also a shure sm58 microphone and a virtualizer pro dsp2024p).

If you already have two e-mu cards, I don't see a reason for getting the POD. POD is not as good as e-mu in terms of being a sound card. POD is not suitable for live use as well, so I cannot see any really good reason for getting it. Furthermore, Cubase LE is from what I read perfectly enough for small projects and the only limitation that I see about it is maximum of 2 inserts and 4 sends per channel. This can be a bit of a problem if you want to use more plugs, but you you apply real time processing on the events this can be solved as well (while keeping the original copies in pool of course).
My advice here would be to consider software guitar modelers, something like guitar rig 4 with MIDI controller. This would complement your e-mu card, and is good enough for home projects.

QUOTE
2) Which is a good acoustic multieffect to use with my roland amplifier and eko acoustic guitar corral model (I use a pickup to connect it to the amplifier) and a cheap Ibanez classic guitar equipped with a tuner, volume, bass and treble control?

what's the budget?

QUOTE
3) Does my Roland cosm amplifier keep the original sound of my variax 700 guitar or how must I use the roland amplifier to render the original sound of my variax 700 guitar? My 65 watt amplifier can also be used in manual control to use it as a regular analog ampliefer (it has other than the knobs to control amp and speaker cosm also 2 input - high and low -, a gain, a volume, an equilizer, a presence, the 4 types effects and a master knobs.

If you want to keep the original sound of a source, you need to make the amplification system as transparent as possible. Use no EQ, no overdrive and try to use a full range audio system and speakers (like a mixer>PA), instead of a guitar amp. If you have to use your guitar amp, try not to use any modeling, clean sound. Roland is a solid brand that was always famous about their transparency, so I guess using this amp in manual mode is your best bet. Start from there, experiment, and let your ears be the judge.

This post has been edited by Ivan Milenkovic: Dec 15 2009, 01:09 AM


--------------------
- Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
- Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons
- (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel
- Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
frankdb
post Dec 17 2009, 08:54 PM
Post #7


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 28-November 09
From: Atri (Te) - Italy
Member No.: 7.941



QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 15 2009, 12:08 AM) *
If you already have two e-mu cards, I don't see a reason for getting the POD. POD is not as good as e-mu in terms of being a sound card. POD is not suitable for live use as well, so I cannot see any really good reason for getting it. Furthermore, Cubase LE is from what I read perfectly enough for small projects and the only limitation that I see about it is maximum of 2 inserts and 4 sends per channel. This can be a bit of a problem if you want to use more plugs, but you you apply real time processing on the events this can be solved as well (while keeping the original copies in pool of course).
My advice here would be to consider software guitar modelers, something like guitar rig 4 with MIDI controller. This would complement your e-mu card, and is good enough for home projects.


what's the budget?


If you want to keep the original sound of a source, you need to make the amplification system as transparent as possible. Use no EQ, no overdrive and try to use a full range audio system and speakers (like a mixer>PA), instead of a guitar amp. If you have to use your guitar amp, try not to use any modeling, clean sound. Roland is a solid brand that was always famous about their transparency, so I guess using this amp in manual mode is your best bet. Start from there, experiment, and let your ears be the judge.



Thank you Ivan for all your precious suggestions, you are a really guitar gear expert and one of the best teacher of this fantastic guitar site!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
frankdb
post Dec 17 2009, 08:54 PM
Post #8


GMC:er
*

Group: Members
Posts: 7
Joined: 28-November 09
From: Atri (Te) - Italy
Member No.: 7.941



QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 15 2009, 12:08 AM) *
If you already have two e-mu cards, I don't see a reason for getting the POD. POD is not as good as e-mu in terms of being a sound card. POD is not suitable for live use as well, so I cannot see any really good reason for getting it. Furthermore, Cubase LE is from what I read perfectly enough for small projects and the only limitation that I see about it is maximum of 2 inserts and 4 sends per channel. This can be a bit of a problem if you want to use more plugs, but you you apply real time processing on the events this can be solved as well (while keeping the original copies in pool of course).
My advice here would be to consider software guitar modelers, something like guitar rig 4 with MIDI controller. This would complement your e-mu card, and is good enough for home projects.


what's the budget?


If you want to keep the original sound of a source, you need to make the amplification system as transparent as possible. Use no EQ, no overdrive and try to use a full range audio system and speakers (like a mixer>PA), instead of a guitar amp. If you have to use your guitar amp, try not to use any modeling, clean sound. Roland is a solid brand that was always famous about their transparency, so I guess using this amp in manual mode is your best bet. Start from there, experiment, and let your ears be the judge.



Thank you Ivan for all your precious suggestions, you are a really guitar gear expert and one of the best teacher of this fantastic guitar site!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Staffy
post Dec 17 2009, 09:12 PM
Post #9


Learning Tone Master
Group Icon

Group: MVC
Posts: 2.294
Joined: 18-June 09
From: Genarp, Sweden
Member No.: 7.291



QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 15 2009, 01:08 AM) *
If you want to keep the original sound of a source, you need to make the amplification system as transparent as possible. Use no EQ, no overdrive and try to use a full range audio system and speakers (like a mixer>PA), instead of a guitar amp. If you have to use your guitar amp, try not to use any modeling, clean sound. Roland is a solid brand that was always famous about their transparency, so I guess using this amp in manual mode is your best bet. Start from there, experiment, and let your ears be the judge.


Agree to that, a good bet on keeping a transparent sound is actually the new PA multi-speakers units from Fishman and Bose (L1). They use very small speakers (up to 24 (!)) in a ultra-compact tower speaker. A friend of mine got this for his acoustic bass and it just sounds faboulous! Another alternative is of course the AER 60, that is VERY transparent for a guitar amp. (the same as Tommy Emmanuel uses)
I haven't heard the Roland we speaks about here, but Roland makes good gear and You will for sure get some good sounds out of what You really have!

//Staffay


--------------------


Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string
Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60
Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2
Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Jonathan Burgos
post Dec 17 2009, 11:35 PM
Post #10


GMC:er
Group Icon

Group: GMC Instructor
Posts: 450
Joined: 24-August 09
From: Cañuelas, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Member No.: 7.551



I recommend the best multieffect in the world! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif THE GT 8!! the best sound. If you want an example, tell me! See you


--------------------

Check out my LESSONS
Check my music at MYSPACE
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Keilnoth
post Dec 18 2009, 11:36 AM
Post #11


Learning Apprentice Player
*

Group: Members
Posts: 686
Joined: 10-April 09
From: Switzerland
Member No.: 7.035



I would love an example. tongue.gif


--------------------

My Guitars: Fender Stratocaster Billy Corgan Signature, Ibanez RG270
My Amp: Peavey Bandit 112
My Pedals: Blackstar HT-Dual, Boss DD-7, Boss CS-3, Boss RC-20
My Wishlist: New bridge + Pickups for my Ibanez, EHX POG2, EHX Cathedral / Holy Grail
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 


RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 28th July 2014 - 05:26 PM