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Emir Hot
post Dec 9 2009, 04:18 AM
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My friend and an awesome neoclassical shredder Borislav Mitic has recently signed for Lion Music which is the metal label from Finland that also released my album.

Just before he released his new record he posted a very seirous story about "The Murder of Music" on the Lion Music's website. Some of other Lion Music artists (including me) also gave their input on this subject.

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I would be interested to see comments on Borislav's text from GMC community.


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i have sold 0 cds, you?


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post Dec 13 2009, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE (MirkoSchmidt @ Dec 13 2009, 12:43 PM) *
i have sold 0 cds, you?

only about ona thousand in my little towm and sorrouding communities

QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 13 2009, 12:41 PM) *
True. The point here though is that CD's are NOT being sold ...

true- are they being sold or are they being stolen, but still untull you been trying to sell your own you will have a knew understanding of pirating.
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post Dec 13 2009, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Dec 13 2009, 02:14 PM) *
true- are they being sold or are they being stolen, but still untull you been trying to sell your own you will have a knew understanding of pirating.

All the same you make the mistake of assuming the traditional business model (implied by your statement of direct sales in your LOCAL area and community). Exactly the same one that the majors have made and continue to do so all the while having the hide to feel as though they are being cheated by not changing what obviously does not work. The onus is not on the consumer to change but for those who want to ply their wares and making a living from it. If you or they wish for a wider audience and potential market the choices are obvious. Otherwise, continue what you are doing - play the role of the victim. It is your choice whether you wish to benefit from the opportunity or not.


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But: do not underestimate the opinions of the crowd (in this case, the GMC community members). The combined knowledge and ideas that can come from this forum alone can already turn into something useful for those who actually want to sell their own music.

Of course, this is self promotion, given that I own a company that distributes prediction software using the crowd's knowledge smile.gif (www.crowdpredictions.com), but nevertheless, the fact that we've decided to move in this direction with our company is because it does work. No need to be experts (or actual CD sellers) for powerful combined knowledge.

Exactly. A valid point or opinion does not necessarily have to come from those we ASSUME to be in the best position to do so. What worked for Deep Purple or Whitesnake in the past obviously does not do the trick now. That example has already been made. Would you want to take a leaf from their book as it stands now? Talking of past glories and negating the presence of the now and the future?


Besides, those that are selling CDs are in the minority. An alternative approach is needed. Alternative sources of income. What's so good about CD's anyway? I have plenty of them but they never get played. MP3's are far more convenient. They don't wear out over time. Anyhow, I ain't paying top dollar for physical CD's I can't find in my local store and have to import them instead from some boutique dealer paying shipping and handling in the process. Most of the money forked over never reaches the artist anyway. Liner notes and so on are just not worth the price premium. Of course, the picture changes if I can purchase one at a live gig.

The focus on physical media just perpetuates this dire set of consequences. That is past ways of thinking and doing business that gets everybody nowhere pretty fast.

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QUOTE (Neurologi @ Dec 13 2009, 01:28 PM) *
All the same you make the mistake of assuming the traditional business model (implied by your statement of direct sales in your LOCAL area and community). Exactly the same one that the majors have made and continue to do so all the while having the hide to feel as though they are being cheated by not changing what obviously does not work. The onus is not on the consumer to change but for those who want to ply their wares and making a living from it. If you or they wish for a wider audience and potential market the choices are obvious. Otherwise, continue what you are doing - play the role of the victim. It is your choice whether you wish to benefit from the opportunity or not.



Exactly. A valid point or opinion does not necessarily have to come from those we ASSUME to be in the best position to do so. What worked for Deep Purple or Whitesnake in the past obviously does not do the trick now. That example has already been made. Would you want to take a leaf from their book as it stands now? Talking of past glories and negating the presence of the now and the future?

yes but you would not want your kidney removed by some one who has only read about it
you still have'nt told me is this your experience or theory

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