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 Mar 30 2007, 04:27 AM Post #2 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 19-January 07 Member No.: 1.092 Great lesson. I'm finally learning enough to ask questions Could you clarify something about the Augmented triad? Let's use the notes for your example. C would be the root note, and E would be the major 3rd, right? The part that I'm confused about is the Augmented 5th. I'm pretty sure G is the Perfect 5th, and you say that G# is the Augmented 5th.Could the augmented 5th also be referred to as the minor 6th? Are they the same notes, but the chord is called Augmented, or am I getting my terms mixed up? This post has been edited by radarlove1984: Mar 30 2007, 04:28 AM
 Mar 30 2007, 01:31 PM Post #3 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (radarlove1984 @ Mar 29 2007, 11:27 PM) Great lesson. I'm finally learning enough to ask questions Could you clarify something about the Augmented triad? Let's use the notes for your example. C would be the root note, and E would be the major 3rd, right? The part that I'm confused about is the Augmented 5th. I'm pretty sure G is the Perfect 5th, and you say that G# is the Augmented 5th.Could the augmented 5th also be referred to as the minor 6th? Are they the same notes, but the chord is called Augmented, or am I getting my terms mixed up?No, that's right - some intervals overlap as you pointed out. Since the 6th is an A, a minor 6th would be an Ab or a G#, so yes they are the same. At this point it comes down to convention how we refer to the individual notes. 5ths are pretty much always important parts of most if not all chords so we try and keep some sort of 5th reference in there, so Aug 5th is preffered over Min 6th even though they are the same. Also, since we are talking about an augmented 5th (by convention) we name the chord that way.One thing you'll find with music theory is that although it is basically logical, a lot of things are done by convention, and are probably the result of decisions made hundreds of years ago. And at the bottom of it all, musical theory is an attempt to explain why certain notes make us feel the way they do - a very difficult thinig to tie down! This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Mar 30 2007, 05:53 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Mar 30 2007, 06:23 PM Post #4 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 19-January 07 Member No.: 1.092 Thanks for clarifying that. It makes sense.
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 Jun 15 2007, 12:48 AM Post #6 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 27-May 07 From: Los Banos Member No.: 1.920 I learned very much from this lesson Andrew thank you. It helps so much more to sit down with your lessons with a guitar, and take it piece by piece. I feel as if I just cleared another mountain after this one. -------------------- God said "Let there be LIGHT" and Chuck Norris said "Say Please" Gear:Ibanez RG Prestige 1570 Mirage BlueFender Mexican Strat HSS Arctic WhiteG&L Climax Marble body (Found my Gotoh trem bar!)Crate GT1200H Half StackPodXTLive boardIbanez delay and chorus tank pedals
 Jun 15 2007, 03:10 AM Post #7 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (Stratman58 @ Jun 14 2007, 07:48 PM) I learned very much from this lesson Andrew thank you. It helps so much more to sit down with your lessons with a guitar, and take it piece by piece. I feel as if I just cleared another mountain after this one.Cool - there's more on the way - really must write part 5 of this - thst is where it gets really interesteing Tonight I've been working on a Circle of Fifths lesson - will post it in the next 30 minutes. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Sep 23 2007, 02:55 PM Post #8 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 474 Joined: 7-September 07 From: Italy Member No.: 2.721 Good morning Andrew!This is an awesome lesson!Now, to maj, min, aug, dim chords:If I'm not mistaken, in relation to your previous lesson,we could also write a formula in semitones for these chords:Maj chords= 4+3 semitonesmin chords= 3+4aug chords= 4+4dim chords=3+3Hope I'm right. Cheers, Eddie
 Sep 23 2007, 07:37 PM Post #9 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 You're more than right Eddie! Andrew is going to slap me for this,so I'll run like hell now !! -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"
 Sep 23 2007, 11:57 PM Post #10 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (muris @ Sep 23 2007, 02:37 PM) You're more than right Eddie! Andrew is going to slap me for this,so I'll run like hell now !! * slap * !!!Eddie you are right - and it means more coming from me than Muris ok ???(Just kidding, thanks for helping out Muris you are always welcome in any of my lessons) -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Jan 13 2008, 06:20 AM Post #11 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras Member No.: 2.062 great lesson Andrew, this well help me create awesome minor, major, augmented and diminished Sweep arpeggios!! -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006
 Feb 4 2008, 10:45 PM Post #12 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 18-January 08 From: Tampa Member No.: 3.880 QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Mar 30 2007, 07:31 AM) No, that's right - some intervals overlap as you pointed out. Since the 6th is an A, a minor 6th would be an Ab or a G#, so yes they are the same. At this point it comes down to convention how we refer to the individual notes. 5ths are pretty much always important parts of most if not all chords so we try and keep some sort of 5th reference in there, so Aug 5th is preffered over Min 6th even though they are the same. Also, since we are talking about an augmented 5th (by convention) we name the chord that way.One thing you'll find with music theory is that although it is basically logical, a lot of things are done by convention, and are probably the result of decisions made hundreds of years ago. And at the bottom of it all, musical theory is an attempt to explain why certain notes make us feel the way they do - a very difficult thinig to tie down!Andrew's explanation is perfect, but if anyone is still confused here's how i finally figured out for myself whats the difference between these inharmonic equivalents (G# and Ab):they both sound the same but they're written differently. that's all!G# is a fifth and Ab is a sixth, so they are different.the same thing applies to words:"sea" and "see" are both pronounced the same, but are written differently and mean different things.simple!great job Andrew! :-D
 Feb 4 2008, 11:42 PM Post #13 Singing Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08 Member No.: 3.960 ...considering inharmonic equivalence...does the G# exist as a scale(teoreticly) sundly he does...but in the scales "scale"...are C G D A E H F# C#..... he is there soundly but not teoreticly.... does he exist? This post has been edited by Nemanja: Feb 4 2008, 11:52 PM -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board!Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration
 Feb 9 2008, 07:39 AM Post #14 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras Member No.: 2.062 Hey there Andrew, a quick question here.In the Am Triad:why is E on the open 6th string muted? it is an E and it belongs to the notes of a Minor Triad. We have 2 other E's ringing (2nd fret g string, open 1st string), but why do we mute the open 6th string? -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006
 Feb 9 2008, 08:04 PM Post #15 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 Hi Fret - it all revolves around voicing the vhord and making it sound good.When playing a chord, one of the most importasnt notes is the root note - it gives the chord its identity so we usually make an effort to have that be the lowest note in the chord. You are right that the E belongs there, but look what happens if we play that as the root - we get:E A C ENow, that has all the notes for A minor, but it vould be interpreted with E as the root in the following way:E rootA 4thC 6thNow thats a wierd chord - could be somthring like E sus +6 maybe, the point is it doens;t sound like an A minor when the root is E. Changing the root or adding a new note as the root can change the identity of a chord - and there will be a lesson on this soon -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Feb 9 2008, 08:18 PM Post #16 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 2.442 Joined: 11-June 07 From: Honduras Member No.: 2.062 QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 9 2008, 01:04 PM) Hi Fret - it all revolves around voicing the vhord and making it sound good.When playing a chord, one of the most importasnt notes is the root note - it gives the chord its identity so we usually make an effort to have that be the lowest note in the chord. You are right that the E belongs there, but look what happens if we play that as the root - we get:E A C ENow, that has all the notes for A minor, but it vould be interpreted with E as the root in the following way:E rootA 4thC 6thNow thats a wierd chord - could be somthring like E sus +6 maybe, the point is it doens;t sound like an A minor when the root is E. Changing the root or adding a new note as the root can change the identity of a chord - and there will be a lesson on this soon thanks Andrew, i understand a little more now. Ill wait for your lesson -------------------- Playing Guitar Since: December 2006
 Apr 3 2008, 07:55 PM Post #17 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 24-March 08 Member No.: 4.687 Just wanted to add to the praise for Andrew's terrific lessons on theory and those who've contributed. When I was young and began to play, I wasn't very cooperative with my guitar instructor when it came to learning theory. Well, after about 10 years of playing regularly, I became bored, sold everything, and took a ten year break. I know I became bored because my progression and understanding of music had stopped. Now, after that 10 year break, I know I enjoy playing more now than I did before because of lessons like Andrew's and this site. It's become invaluable for me.I spend about 1 hour, 3-4x a week going through the lessons in "Andrew's theory lessons" and loving every minute of it. I noticed that a good majority of the information was posted within the past 6 months. Don't stop! Please! The outline of all the lessons covered is terrific and I want to be able to go through each one.I hope it gives the instructors here a sense of accomplishment to know that a 2nd timer like me is finding the guitar even more enjoyable now due to the efforts of those that contribute content to this site.
 Apr 3 2008, 08:13 PM Post #18 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 Thanks! Its great to get some good feedback like this, makes it very worthwhile!I have to admit I have been making less lessons recently as Kris has me busy working on the WIki, Competitrions, Moderation and all sorts of other stuff, but I will continue to make lessons as I get time, I still have some good ones left in me to write! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Apr 15 2008, 05:43 AM Post #19 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 28-October 07 From: Timisoara, Romania Member No.: 3.165 It's about time that I've bothered with a couple more of your lessons , Andrew. And I've been )*!@#(*(#\$(#*\$ about how chords are formed, today I quickly went through some of your earlier lessons and this one to get the picture, and I will surely come back to them to cement that idea in. Finally I understand these things << thanks man I'm very grateful >> . Actually as a beginner - if you are told bits and pieces of this by people, and some of the advice is also wrong, you end up totally frustrated trying to understand this stuff. Everyone at GMC should send you flowers and praises for slapping these VERY easy to understand musical theory lesson at us THANKS AGAIN ANDREW
 Apr 30 2008, 11:44 AM Post #20 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 29-April 08 Member No.: 5.006 Hi Andrew, me again, just a quick question. In your lesson you losely describe where you would typically use a diminished chord:QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Mar 29 2007, 09:50 PM) Diminished TriadThey are often used to create tension which is resolved by a change to another chord, often the root.I just want to clarify this to see if im thinking along the right lines.In your example, if the chord was Ddim would, would the key be Em therefore using the Dmin chord to get to the Em chord.Or is it that a Ddim is usually used to get to a D chord (the root of the chord)?Thanks in advance, your lessons are more helpful than a polish man on salary

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