Modes 101, Part 2 - The Theory
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 Jul 30 2008, 05:19 PM Post #2 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 632 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Germany Member No.: 3.437 Hey guys I please need help with that topic because I am still stuck at one point which concerns generating the modes.I understood the one direction but not the other. Play the D-Mixolydian Scale !Ok, for that I have to ask myself which scale has D as it's fifth degree - if I find this out I know that I have to play this scale just beginning from the 5th note right?And here I am stuck...if I have D how do I get the Major Scale then....on which scale do I have to count backwards ? Sure on the D mixolydian scale but I don't know what the D mixolydianScale is yet at this moment and the whole reason of counting back was to find that out in the first place...Do you get me? I am confused...please help Or do I really have to learn the intervals of the modes by heart? I thought I didn't have to do that because of this detour of "what scale has D as is 5th degree" question.
 Jul 30 2008, 07:00 PM Post #6 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 632 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Germany Member No.: 3.437 QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 30 2008, 07:12 PM) Oh, when you talked about counting backwards etc I thought you didn't know anything about scales Ok, well you see, that flat 7th will also result in a change of the chord progression.You will play the ordinary majorscale, but START at the 5th degree of it. This is because the fith degree has a flat 7.When you start there, you make that degree your first degree, also called modulating.When you start off at the mixolydian degree, you will have a different chord progression.So anyway, yes, you just start off with your mixolydian pattern instead of Ionian, or aeolian, or whatever.Meaning that your chord pattern will result in Maj min dim maj min min maj, OR mixo degree, aeolian, locrian, ionian, dorian phrygian and lydian.These are just the patterns, don't mind the name.Because of the flat 7, that's the chord's characteristic. Also, a flat 7 means the lydian degree. Therefore a D7 and Cmaj7 will work really well.Example of progression for mixolydian:D7, Cmaj7, Dmaj, cmaj? whatever you wish Edit:again I emphasize that you're just starting off with the 5th box in the majorscale. This is the Domiant or fith degree.Am I repetitive? lol.Thanks lot man this way of thinking about how to generate the modes really helps me...Modes are really fascinating when you finally got the hang of it...suddenly the same tones of a c major scale you have been using for ages have an Irish feeling just because you play them in a different context with different progessions namely D-Dorian . Amazing...
 Jul 30 2008, 07:03 PM Post #7 GMC:er Group: Passive Posts: 1.710 Joined: 17-July 07 From: Norway Member No.: 2.337 QUOTE (Nighthawk @ Jul 30 2008, 08:00 PM) Thanks lot man this way of thinking about how to generate the modes really helps me...Modes are really fascinating when you finally got the hang of it...suddenly the same tones of a c major scale you have been using for ages have an Irish feeling just because you play them in a different context with different progessions namely D-Dorian . Amazing...Anytime, man! If you want more help, add me on msn: kjetil4455@hotmail.com -------------------- Eatsleepjam:Nice Lesson! You said something about how it can be overused, what do you exactly mean by that ? Any tips to not overuse it ? -JohnAndrew Cockburn:Yes ... play it less often.________________________________________________________________________________Guitars: Ibanez 2570Z, Ibanez RG470 (I think?), an Ephiphone Les Paul, a Dean Baby V, and some random acoustic guitar.Amps: Marshall TSL60, L6 Spider 2 15w, L6 Spider 2 75wPedals: BBpreamp, Boss DD-6, Boss RC-2, EBS Unichorus, Dunlop Crybaby, a Line 6 Constrictor and a Korg Chromatic tunerComputer equipment: Creative Emu Tracker pro 2.0________________________________________________________________________________Click Here if you are unsure about how scaleboxes are put together!________________________________________________________________________________Leave a comment on my youtube videos!

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Andrew Cockburn   Modes 101   Apr 6 2007, 10:43 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (radarlove1984 @ Apr 6 2007, 09:47 ...   Apr 7 2007, 03:43 PM
Tank   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Apr 7 2007, 03:4...   Apr 8 2007, 10:40 AM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Tank @ Apr 8 2007, 05:40 AM) Hiya ...   Apr 8 2007, 03:06 PM
crabman   Thanks Andrew. Good stuff, keep it coming   Apr 10 2007, 08:13 AM
Anastasio123   Wow its amazing how easy modes really are to under...   Apr 15 2007, 04:12 AM
Melinda   awsome Andrew, this makes sense   Apr 15 2007, 06:38 PM
Andrew Cockburn   Thanks all of you - glad you find it helpful, I...   Apr 15 2007, 09:32 PM
Pavel   Ok i just found some time to sit and read this - t...   May 11 2007, 02:26 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Pavel @ May 11 2007, 09:26 AM) Ok ...   May 11 2007, 02:33 PM
Rockwouldbe   hey andrew do you think you can add all the chor...   May 11 2007, 03:08 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Rockwouldbe @ May 11 2007, 10:08 A...   May 11 2007, 04:17 PM
Bitey   So Semi tones or S are like A# or Bb and T are who...   May 15 2007, 05:10 PM
Kaneda   QUOTE (Bitey @ May 15 2007, 06:10 PM) So ...   May 15 2007, 07:45 PM
sillyman   I understand the theory behind the modes but i don...   May 27 2007, 09:37 PM
Pavel   To be honest - that's a very good question Sil...   May 27 2007, 10:13 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Pavel @ May 27 2007, 05:13 PM) To ...   May 27 2007, 10:57 PM
Pavel   oh ok i got it now! So it's actually like ...   May 27 2007, 11:14 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Pavel @ May 27 2007, 06:14 PM) oh ...   May 28 2007, 12:34 AM
sillyman   ah my toroise brain has finally caught up thanks a...   Jun 7 2007, 08:48 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (sillyman @ Jun 7 2007, 03:48 PM) a...   Jun 7 2007, 09:12 PM
DeepRoots   Hey Andrew just a quick one- would it be practical...   Jun 25 2007, 10:46 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Jun 25 2007, 05:46 PM)...   Jun 25 2007, 11:19 PM
Ryan   Wow, I understand now. I have seen the light . I l...   Jun 29 2007, 04:33 AM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Ryan @ Jun 28 2007, 11:33 PM) Wow,...   Jun 29 2007, 01:18 PM
Blairkelley   It appears that in the first lesson, we were to re...   Feb 11 2008, 05:39 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Blairkelley @ Feb 11 2008, 11:39 A...   Feb 11 2008, 06:13 PM
Blairkelley   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 11 2008, 01...   Feb 11 2008, 08:12 PM
FretDancer69   Great lesson Andrew. I didnt understsand much the ...   Feb 12 2008, 05:24 AM
Andrew Cockburn   Harmonic minor is not mode of the major scale - i...   Feb 12 2008, 11:28 PM
FretDancer69   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 12 2008, 04...   Feb 13 2008, 12:45 AM
eddiecat   These lessons are awesome Andrew! And I would ...   Feb 13 2008, 07:08 AM
Andrew Cockburn   Thanks Eddie, its great that you like my lessons, ...   Feb 14 2008, 12:59 AM
Qube   Thanks, finally I understand this!   Jun 16 2008, 02:46 PM
Nighthawk   QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 30 2008, 08:03 PM) An...   Jul 30 2008, 07:08 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (Nighthawk @ Jul 30 2008, 02:08 PM)...   Jul 30 2008, 07:28 PM
kjutte   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 30 2008, 08...   Jul 30 2008, 07:31 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 30 2008, 02:31 PM) I ...   Jul 30 2008, 07:40 PM
DeepRoots   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 30 2008, 07...   Jul 30 2008, 07:42 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Jul 30 2008, 02:42 PM)...   Jul 30 2008, 07:49 PM
kjutte   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 30 2008, 08...   Jul 30 2008, 07:46 PM
Nighthawk   QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 30 2008, 08:31 PM) I ...   Jul 30 2008, 07:41 PM
kjutte   QUOTE (Nighthawk @ Jul 30 2008, 08:41 PM)...   Jul 30 2008, 08:00 PM
Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (kjutte @ Jul 30 2008, 03:00 PM) By...   Jul 30 2008, 08:35 PM
kjutte   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 30 2008, 09...   Jul 30 2008, 08:42 PM
Nighthawk   QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 30 2008, 08...   Jul 30 2008, 07:40 PM
DeepRoots   I reccomend you learn the intervals of each mode- ...   Jul 30 2008, 05:29 PM

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