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gitarcitolga
post Mar 26 2012, 01:09 PM
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guys I have tons of weird questions.Here is one of them; I guess they keep coming my mind since I began to practise a lot lately.Can we sweep over scales for ex Can I sweep on A minor penta scale?Since the idea is one note per string,why dont people play the minor scale with this technique?

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guys I have tons of weird questions.Here is one of them; I guess they keep coming my mind since I began to practise a lot lately.Can we sweep over scales for ex Can I sweep on A minor penta scale?Since the idea is one note per string,why dont people play the minor scale with this technique?


I might ask he question in a wrong way so dont get me wong. I meant sweeping not over a scale but sweeping the scale itself instead of an arpeggio.

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post Mar 26 2012, 01:26 PM
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You can sweep chords that fit over the track 5 note 1 note per string patterns they are cool.
The chords are moveable and use the same pattern.

For example d major starting on the D 5th fret 5th string it goes D,F#,A,D,F# then you can add the A, that the D chord then you can move up to to 7th fret using the same pattern(you get other notes of course) but still same pattern and its the E Chord.


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post Mar 26 2012, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (ElHombre @ Mar 26 2012, 12:26 PM) *
You can sweep chords that fit over the track 5 note 1 note per string patterns they are cool.
The chords are moveable and use the same pattern.

For example d major starting on the D 5th fret 5th string it goes D,F#,A,D,F# then you can add the A, that the D chord then you can move up to to 7th fret using the same pattern(you get other notes of course) but still same pattern and its the E Chord.


No I meant sweeping the scale shape itself not the chords.can we sweep penta minor scale? is it a stupid thing to do or what?


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post Mar 26 2012, 01:50 PM
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Aha sorry.
Well do sweep picking in a pentatonic scale?
Well you can most surely find patterns to sweep but you have fewer note choices in a pentatonic scale


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post Mar 26 2012, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (ElHombre @ Mar 26 2012, 12:50 PM) *
Aha sorry.
Well do sweep picking in a pentatonic scale?
Well you can most surely find patterns to sweep but you have fewer note choices in a pentatonic scale


Oh Ok so as an idea,sweeping a scale is possible. Okay I dont know if there's any famous guy sweeping a scale on his songs or whatever


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post Mar 26 2012, 02:24 PM
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If you can arrange the notes in anything as 1 or 2 note per string licks, you can sweep it (add some tapping if the gap between the notes is too large).

The problem with sweeping a scale is that the notes will be relatively close. To sweep you need 1 note per string, so if the next note is 2 frets higher (and so forth for the other notes), you'll be looking for that note on the next string, and there'll come a point where it'll be too far away.

You can end up with several smaller sweeps, featuring more than 1 note per string and tapping to include all the scale notes, if you really had to. To be honest though, you wouldn't end up with much of a sweep section, hence why arpeggios are commonly used.

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post Mar 26 2012, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (dark dude @ Mar 26 2012, 01:24 PM) *
If you can arrange the notes in anything as 1 or 2 note per string licks, you can sweep it (add some tapping if the gap between the notes is too large).

The problem with sweeping a scale is that the notes will be relatively close. To sweep you need 1 note per string, so if the next note is 2 frets higher (and so forth for the other notes), you'll be looking for that note on the next string, and there'll come a point where it'll be too far away.

You can end up with several smaller sweeps, featuring more than 1 note per string and tapping to include all the scale notes, if you really had to. To be honest though, you wouldn't end up with much of a sweep section, hence why arpeggios are commonly used.


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QUOTE (dark dude @ Mar 26 2012, 01:24 PM) *
If you can arrange the notes in anything as 1 or 2 note per string licks, you can sweep it (add some tapping if the gap between the notes is too large).

The problem with sweeping a scale is that the notes will be relatively close. To sweep you need 1 note per string, so if the next note is 2 frets higher (and so forth for the other notes), you'll be looking for that note on the next string, and there'll come a point where it'll be too far away.

You can end up with several smaller sweeps, featuring more than 1 note per string and tapping to include all the scale notes, if you really had to. To be honest though, you wouldn't end up with much of a sweep section, hence why arpeggios are commonly used.


Yeah, this is exactly the case.

You wouldn't be able to hit all of the intervals in a scale because they're too close together to have a 1 note per string pattern. The closest thing you can do to this is economy picking. Frank Gambale alters the standard pentatonic box shapes so he can economy pick the scale with a different note grouping on each string. However, you've got to ask yourself if it's really worth doing it for the sake of running through an entire scale from top to bottom. If you're going through a scale, you just as well play it using picking, legato or both.

The beauty of sweep picking and arpeggios in general is that they have an intervallic sound - which means the intervals are not close to each other. It's a method which enables you to hit notes that are on different strings in quick succession. The combination of the sweeping technique and the arpeggios create the overall sound. If you break it up to work with with a scale, you'd only be able to do an occasional sweep and combine it with hammer ons or picking to be able to move through the scale shapes, which would lose the 'sweep sound' anyway smile.gif



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QUOTE (gitarcitolga @ Mar 26 2012, 12:09 PM) *
guys I have tons of weird questions.Here is one of them; I guess they keep coming my mind since I began to practise a lot lately.Can we sweep over scales for ex Can I sweep on A minor penta scale?Since the idea is one note per string,why dont people play the minor scale with this technique?



I might ask he question in a wrong way so dont get me wong. I meant sweeping not over a scale but sweeping the scale itself instead of an arpeggio.

Well there is a technique called economy picking that is combination between sweep and alternative picking
You can use it for scales and three notes per string pentatonic shapes


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post Mar 28 2012, 11:07 AM
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Frank Gambale style. Sweeping Pentatonics

I learn't these but really haven't used them much. Worth a look though.

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QUOTE (zoom @ Mar 28 2012, 10:07 AM) *
Frank Gambale style. Sweeping Pentatonics

I learn't these but really haven't used them much. Worth a look though.


This is a great lesson! Frank is amazing sweep picker smile.gif


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