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Todd Simpson
post May 24 2012, 07:19 AM
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Here is a quick example.

One Guitar in the middle.
http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/mono-guitar-track-vox-tonelab

Part played twice panned left/righ at 9:00/3:00

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/guitar-recording-example-vox

Both of these are using, believe it or not, a VOX TONE LAB EX! Who would have thought?


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post May 24 2012, 09:48 AM
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Wow this little Vox is a good help !

Your recordings a great for practice too, thank you !

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post May 24 2012, 10:49 AM
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Sounds great. What ratio are the L + R channels at?


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post May 24 2012, 10:56 AM
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I always pan the guitars tongue.gif I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas smile.gif

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post May 24 2012, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 24 2012, 10:56 AM) *
I always pan the guitars tongue.gif I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas smile.gif

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Sounds like a variation on the Haas effect to me Cosmin.


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post May 24 2012, 05:29 PM
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Thank you Tony! I shall look into that smile.gif


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post May 24 2012, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Dieterle @ May 24 2012, 04:48 AM) *
Wow this little Vox is a good help !

Your recordings a great for practice too, thank you !

Dieter


thanks :0) It took some MAJOR tweaking and actually reading the manual but is has a great "TUBEY" sound which works really well on rythm tracks.

QUOTE (JaxN4 @ May 24 2012, 05:49 AM) *
Sounds great. What ratio are the L + R channels at?


each one is panned 45degrees from center, left and right. So about half way from center. It really adds serious depth and is a very simple thing to do smile.gif It's really worth tracking twice just to pan.

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 24 2012, 05:56 AM) *
I always pan the guitars tongue.gif I got a friend who told me something about a 'fan technique'. I am not sure about this but somehow he creates a bit of a latency (very very small and imperceptible) between 6 or even 8 recorded hands (3 or 4 on left and 3 or 4 on the right) pans them and they sound huge!

Anybody know anything about this?

I'd be curious to share some thoughts and ideas smile.gif

Cosmin


Actually yes! Some folks (a ton of Metal guys) use this to create a HUGE array of guitar. You get the "wall of sound" but with a stereo field. Can really sound huge. But you need to be careful on gain as that many guitar track ( 4 or 5) playing the same thing need good separation.


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post May 25 2012, 12:04 AM
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P.S. This demo was recorded using the VOX TONELAB as an audio card/interface via USB connection. So it's recorded direct. The cab is a sim. I gotta say it sounded pretty darn spiff considering I didn't use an Amp. It's a great way to get good recording done with zero ambient volume. I was working on this using a guitar and the vox and some headphones about 2am.

Part played twice panned left/righ at 9:00/3:00

http://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/guitar-recording-example-vox


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post May 25 2012, 07:20 AM
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Precisely! Now I also remember him telling me not to use that much gain when doing this biggrin.gif


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post May 27 2012, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 24 2012, 10:37 PM) *
each one is panned 45degrees from center, left and right. So about half way from center. It really adds serious depth and is a very simple thing to do smile.gif It's really worth tracking twice just to pan.


Todd, you have no idea how much this helped me! I just applied this method on a heavy riff in my new song and it sounds AMAZING!!!

Thanks a LOT, mate biggrin.gif

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post May 27 2012, 02:59 PM
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Awesomeness biggrin.gif It's always worth tracking double guitars tongue.gif


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post May 27 2012, 09:26 PM
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Happy to help smile.gif It's a great way to give some BIGNESS to your guitar tracks!

Todd

QUOTE (Dinaga @ May 27 2012, 06:28 AM) *
Todd, you have no idea how much this helped me! I just applied this method on a heavy riff in my new song and it sounds AMAZING!!!

Thanks a LOT, mate biggrin.gif



Well said : )

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 27 2012, 09:59 AM) *
Awesomeness biggrin.gif It's always worth tracking double guitars tongue.gif



Learned this the hard way myself as I tend go nuts on gain. But for rythm tracks, less is more. Less gain = More Tone and More KRUNCH! It's the layering of the tracks that gives the big, thick, sound more often than not. Carcass has a nearly insane layering method of stacking multiple takes at the same position in the stereo field done at different eq settings. I've always been fascinated by the guitar sounds the legendary Carcass album: HEARTWORK. One of the most crazy Heavy guitar recordings I've ever heard to this day.

Todd

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 25 2012, 02:20 AM) *
Precisely! Now I also remember him telling me not to use that much gain when doing this biggrin.gif



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post May 28 2012, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 27 2012, 08:59 AM) *
Awesomeness biggrin.gif It's always worth tracking double guitars tongue.gif

Gosh Cosmin, I don't want to blast in to a great thread with a goofy question, but I have to know because I would like to try this method also. biggrin.gif As far as the multiple guitar tracks, do I actually play the same riff multiple times and pan them out together, or rather would I insert multiple tracks into Reaper, then pan out each separate track of the same riff I played once to it's respective degree?

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post May 28 2012, 01:25 PM
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Hey Tuck biggrin.gif dude, I for one track each guitar and then pan each on a different channel. Left and Right of course smile.gif I think it's a good place to start tongue.gif let me know how it goes - in your thread ? wink.gif Do we don't highjack this one, unless we want to be Captain Jack Sparrow's minions laugh.gif


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