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 The Major Pentatonic Scale
 Sep 7 2007, 05:53 AM Post #21 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: 25-August 07 From: N.E. Misssissippi Member No.: 2.606 Thanks Andrew...i didn't find you dismissive at all
 Sep 20 2007, 11:48 PM Post #22 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 474 Joined: 7-September 07 From: Italy Member No.: 2.721 Hello Andrew, my name is Eddie.Thank you so very much for your wonderful theory board, it really is of great help!I've spent the last three weeks in here and I can't believe how much I'm actually learning.Now to the pentatonic boxes, major and minor:hoping that I understood the lesson concerning relative minors here's my conclusion:,A given box of a major pentatonic is exactly the same as the box of it's relative minor.So the five boxes of G major pentatonic are exactly the same as the five boxes of E minor pentatonic,the only HUGE difference is the root note (E vs. G) and, of course, the formula.The same thing would work for C and A, for example.Now, if it is so, I'm really thrilled to bits, because besides learning the boxes for both major and minor penta,I'm also memorizing the notes on the fretboard since I know where the different root notes are!Thank you very, very much for your helpfulness and for the clarity within your lessons.Greetings, Eddie
 Sep 21 2007, 01:35 AM Post #23 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (eddiecat @ Sep 20 2007, 06:48 PM) Hello Andrew, my name is Eddie.Thank you so very much for your wonderful theory board, it really is of great help!I've spent the last three weeks in here and I can't believe how much I'm actually learning.Now to the pentatonic boxes, major and minor:hoping that I understood the lesson concerning relative minors here's my conclusion:,A given box of a major pentatonic is exactly the same as the box of it's relative minor.So the five boxes of G major pentatonic are exactly the same as the five boxes of E minor pentatonic,the only HUGE difference is the root note (E vs. G) and, of course, the formula.The same thing would work for C and A, for example.Now, if it is so, I'm really thrilled to bits, because besides learning the boxes for both major and minor penta,I'm also memorizing the notes on the fretboard since I know where the different root notes are!Thank you very, very much for your helpfulness and for the clarity within your lessons.Greetings, EddieHi eddie,You are close, but lets be exact here just so there is no confusion:A given box of a major pentatonic is exactly the same as the box of it's relative minor shifted down one patternFor example, if you play C Major Pentatonic, that is the same as A minor pentatonic in its 2nd box - the notes are identical, just the root notes differ. So you also have to figure in that 1 box shift and you are right:)See the answer on pentatonic major scale lesson -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Sep 21 2007, 02:06 AM Post #24 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 474 Joined: 7-September 07 From: Italy Member No.: 2.721 QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Sep 21 2007, 02:35 AM) Hi eddie,You are close, but lets be exact here just so there is no confusion:A given box of a major pentatonic is exactly the same as the box of it's relative minor shifted down one patternFor example, if you play C Major Pentatonic, that is the same as A minor pentatonic in its 2nd box - the notes are identical, just the root notes differ. So you also have to figure in that 1 box shift and you are right:)See the answer on pentatonic major scale lesson Oh, yes! Of course.Sorry I didn't make that clear...
 Dec 18 2007, 11:19 PM Post #25 Learning Apprentice Player Group: Members Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium Member No.: 2.807 I have a question. Ok the patterns for the minor and major pentatonic scale are almost the same but the first pattern in the minor is the fifth in the major?Is it necessary to call the first you mentioned the FIRST pattern or doesn't it matter?Caus otherwise I would use the order of the minor caus it's easier to think of 1 thing. -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?
 Dec 18 2007, 11:50 PM Post #26 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 These boxes might confuse sometimes. Deal is to stick with the root note which is C in per example C major pentatonic scale.A minor pentatonic scale has same notes while root is A.Same notes,same boxes,everything. -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"
 Dec 19 2007, 12:06 AM Post #27 Learning Apprentice Player Group: Members Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium Member No.: 2.807 So you're telling me they're completely the same? Why should we learn both then? -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?
 Dec 19 2007, 12:12 AM Post #28 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 QUOTE (Mrblomme @ Dec 19 2007, 12:06 AM) So you're telling me they're completely the same? Why should we learn both then?Root isn't the same,that's the point why we should learn bothand not thinking of Am pent while playing C Maj pent. -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"
 Dec 19 2007, 12:33 AM Post #29 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (Muris @ Dec 18 2007, 06:12 PM) Root isn't the same,that's the point why we should learn bothand not thinking of Am pent while playing C Maj pent. Yes, as Muris says, although the pasterns are the same, the scales are different (because they have different roots), and you need to get the scales in your head or it will lead to confusion later, so treat them as different. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Dec 19 2007, 12:37 AM Post #30 Experienced Tone Seeker Group: Members Posts: 1.732 Joined: 15-September 07 From: Bogota,Colombia Member No.: 2.793 QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Dec 18 2007, 06:33 PM) Yes, as Muris says, although the pasterns are the same, the scales are different (because they have different roots), and you need to get the scales in your head or it will lead to confusion later, so treat them as different.And I guess is important to treat them as different to understand and play pentatonic modes too. -------------------- The only thing yo can do, is what you love![size=3]Visit my youtube
 Dec 19 2007, 01:24 AM Post #31 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 30-September 07 Member No.: 2.909 They SOUND different. -------------------- Lead me not into temptation - I can find the way myself...
 Dec 19 2007, 01:41 AM Post #32 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 9-December 07 From: Spain Member No.: 3.479 QUOTE (PlayAllDay @ Dec 19 2007, 02:24 AM) They SOUND different.Lol they are the same with same notes. Exactly the same patterns only the root note changes. What I do is to remember the root "this one is for major that one for minor" If its Major I start with the 2nd pattern that has the root on the 1st note if it's minor I start with the 1st pattern which has the root on the 1st note" After that I move to another pattern and try to remember the rest. Hope this helps a bit -------------------- "It's a long way to the top..."
 Dec 19 2007, 02:25 AM Post #33 Moderation Policy Director Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 10.453 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA Member No.: 1.167 QUOTE (PlayAllDay @ Dec 18 2007, 07:24 PM) They SOUND different.That's the key right there - they sound different because you have them organized right in your head, even though they are the same notes And that's what practicing them as different scales will do for you ... you will practice hearing the notes in a different starting place with the correct root note, and that makes the scale sound and act different. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ...My Stuff:Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 BassAcoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 NylonEffects : Line6 Pod HD Pro, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Ibanez Weeping Demon WahAmps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab
 Dec 19 2007, 02:32 AM Post #34 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 30-September 07 Member No.: 2.909 QUOTE (Kapto @ Dec 19 2007, 09:41 AM) Lol they are the same with same notes. Exactly the same patterns only the root note changes. What I do is to remember the root "this one is for major that one for minor" If its Major I start with the 2nd pattern that has the root on the 1st note if it's minor I start with the 1st pattern which has the root on the 1st note" After that I move to another pattern and try to remember the rest. Hope this helps a bit Compare a minor pent with root note A and a major pent with root note A. They are not the same.This is one way you can start to identify them by sound. -------------------- Lead me not into temptation - I can find the way myself...
 Dec 19 2007, 11:33 AM Post #35 GMC:er Group: Members Posts: 211 Joined: 9-December 07 From: Spain Member No.: 3.479 QUOTE (PlayAllDay @ Dec 19 2007, 03:32 AM) Compare a minor pent with root note A and a major pent with root note A. They are not the same.This is one way you can start to identify them by sound.Of course it's not the same I compare Am with C major A major with #F minor F major with D minor and so on. So while running on 1 pattern I think to myself I am on the G major or Em Key. -------------------- "It's a long way to the top..."
 Dec 19 2007, 12:06 PM Post #36 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 QUOTE (Kapto @ Dec 19 2007, 11:33 AM) Of course it's not the same I compare Am with C major A major with #F minor F major with D minor and so on. So while running on 1 pattern I think to myself I am on the G major or Em Key.That IS what I was talking about actually.Most of players think of Em while playing in G using pentatonic,guess it's because we all started with minor pentatonic licks more or less,still,it's wrong way of thinking,there are many spots when player lays down on "wrong" note in solo,per example,laying on E or bending from D to E while chord in progression is G. -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"
 Jan 7 2008, 07:41 PM Post #37 Learning Apprentice Player Group: Members Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium Member No.: 2.807 Hi Andrew,I have a questionIf I play this boxThis is a G Major pentatonic but If I want to make it an E, do I have to move UP or DOWN? Becaus if I move down from here I dont have enough frets to play an F# -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?
 Jan 7 2008, 09:32 PM Post #38 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 Since Andrew is ofline I'll try help If you wanna play E Major pentatonic scale than you need to move this box 3 semi tones DOWN,so the yellow dot will be on 12th fret on E string per example,our root note is E now.And if you wanna play E Minor pentatonic scale then you don't need to move at all,notes are same,just consider note E(12th fret on E string) as root now,there you go. -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"
 Jan 7 2008, 09:36 PM Post #39 Learning Apprentice Player Group: Members Posts: 884 Joined: 17-September 07 From: Adegem - Belgium Member No.: 2.807 Yes but it's quite hard to play that low on my axe. -------------------- Homer J. Simpson: Rockstars is there anything they dont know?
 Jan 7 2008, 09:38 PM Post #40 Instructor Group: GMC Instructor Posts: 15.459 Joined: 22-June 07 From: Sarajevo,Bosnia Member No.: 2.159 That low,from 9th to 12th fret? -------------------- YoutubeMySpaceWebsiteAlbum "Let It Out" on iTunes and CD Baby Check out my video lessons and instructor board!The Pianist tune is progress,check it out!"ok.. it is great.. :Phave you myspace? Can i to personalize this for you guy?"

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