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post Nov 17 2007, 04:40 AM
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Just bought an Ibanex RG370DX. I know the manual (page 20) says to adjust the spring tension to keep the tremolo assembly in parallel with the guitar body, but what part of the tremolo assembly am I supposed to use to line it up. There is an obvious one using the bottom base plate, but I have read where that is wrong.
The manual shows (poorly) that the line is drawn right to the left of the fine tuners. And yes there is a very small area there that I could use as a base for a parallel line to align with the guitar body - is this it? The picture shows the line cutting through a "hump" which is what is confusing me. There is no hump on my RG370.
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post Nov 17 2007, 06:55 AM
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It should look like this:



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I believe you should make a line with body horizontally,in 2 ways.
First one shall be line between bridge and the body from player's point of view
which can be adjustment by spins.
Second one is from the rare look,where the fine tuners are.
This can be done by setting all spins to almost same tension.
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post Nov 17 2007, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 16 2007, 11:55 PM) *
It should look like this:



Thanks Pavel, but this is not an Edge III Tremolo bridge. Yours has an obvious marker - I can see it - I wish mine looked like this because it would be easy to line up.
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post Nov 17 2007, 08:36 AM
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The bridge should be paralled with the body. just like in the picture.
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post Nov 17 2007, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 16 2007, 09:40 PM) *
Just bought an Ibanex RG370DX. I know the manual (page 20) says to adjust the spring tension to keep the tremolo assembly in parallel with the guitar body, but what part of the tremolo assembly am I supposed to use to line it up. There is an obvious one using the bottom base plate, but I have read where that is wrong.
The manual shows (poorly) that the line is drawn right to the left of the fine tuners. And yes there is a very small area there that I could use as a base for a parallel line to align with the guitar body - is this it? The picture shows the line cutting through a "hump" which is what is confusing me. There is no hump on my RG370.


Here. A picture or two helps. This is an EDGE III which is different. Here is the manual diagram:



Here is they way I currently have it. You can forget aligning it parallel with the "door stop" or "pie sideways" bottom piece, because that is wrong. That's where I screwed up. I think the line should look just like the picture in the manual. There is a flat spot just to the left of the fine adjuster (no hump) and then it looks like the line goes straight through the center of the circular locking bolt for the low E. I believe I am forward just a bit. Need to reduce spring tension just a hair. ????

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post Nov 17 2007, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 16 2007, 09:40 PM) *
Just bought an Ibanex RG370DX. I know the manual (page 20) says to adjust the spring tension to keep the tremolo assembly in parallel with the guitar body, but what part of the tremolo assembly am I supposed to use to line it up. There is an obvious one using the bottom base plate, but I have read where that is wrong.
The manual shows (poorly) that the line is drawn right to the left of the fine tuners. And yes there is a very small area there that I could use as a base for a parallel line to align with the guitar body - is this it? The picture shows the line cutting through a "hump" which is what is confusing me. There is no hump on my RG370.



OK - I think I've got it after many hours of frustration. At the top of this forum "GEAR" Andrew has a link to a video (you tube) titled Restringing and Adjusting a Floyd Rose bridge. I never looked at part 2, but at 05:45 into that video, that's an edge III bridge and the instructor goes on to explain where it should be parallel wise and even says that some bridges should be parallel on the bottom like Pavel's example.

I can actually play this thing now - it's in tune - I will let it sit overnight and really wack it tomorrow.
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post Nov 17 2007, 12:20 PM
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omg

i was thinking about buying this guitar for my new one..

you think it's worth to buy ??
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post Nov 17 2007, 01:21 PM
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Read my review on my RG350MDX, exact same guitar, just different finish wink.gif
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post Nov 17 2007, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 17 2007, 01:08 AM) *
Here. A picture or two helps. This is an EDGE III which is different. Here is the manual diagram:



Here is they way I currently have it. You can forget aligning it parallel with the "door stop" or "pie sideways" bottom piece, because that is wrong. That's where I screwed up. I think the line should look just like the picture in the manual. There is a flat spot just to the left of the fine adjuster (no hump) and then it looks like the line goes straight through the center of the circular locking bolt for the low E. I believe I am forward just a bit. Need to reduce spring tension just a hair. ????


The Edge III has an angled baseplate it seems i.e. the top part is angled in relation to the bottom...
Check out this page for some good tech advice:
http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/index.htm


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post Nov 18 2007, 04:23 AM
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right, what you want is to screw the screws in as far as you need so that
1. you can depress the whammy bar so the the lowest string is pretty much completely loose
2. you can go around 3-4 semi tones higher on the open lowest string when u pull on the whammy bar.

i was working it out on my floyd rose yesterday and thats my conclusion
and for the other screw, do the same so it is parallel to the first screw you set up...
and detune your strings about 2 tones down and make the screws tighter whilst keeping an eye on the string, everytime when it is in tune again but it still isnt right, detune it by a tone or so

hope that helped, just a bit of trial and error really
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post Nov 18 2007, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 17 2007, 04:53 AM) *
OK - I think I've got it after many hours of frustration. At the top of this forum "GEAR" Andrew has a link to a video (you tube) titled Restringing and Adjusting a Floyd Rose bridge. I never looked at part 2, but at 05:45 into that video, that's an edge III bridge and the instructor goes on to explain where it should be parallel wise and even says that some bridges should be parallel on the bottom like Pavel's example.

I can actually play this thing now - it's in tune - I will let it sit overnight and really wack it tomorrow.


Then I let it sit overnight - this is a joke right? - how could anybody play this guitar - one cannot get it in tune - and I am not talking about working the wammy bar. It will not tune up - and yes I have read all the instructions on tuning a floyd rose system. Probably will send it back.

I have not even plugged this POS in yet. I cannot get it in tune - NO WAY. I know this should work, but I am not pleased. I had it working for a brief period, but the action sucked. I thought todays method of making Guitars had changed for the better, but I see that is wrong. My 1961 Les Paul (46 years) will kill this action on the Ibanez - I will look for other brands - or probably keep the Paul.

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post Nov 18 2007, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (peterorg54 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:20 AM) *
omg

i was thinking about buying this guitar for my new one..

you think it's worth to buy ??


Do some research. So far I hate this thing.
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post Nov 18 2007, 09:00 AM
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To be fair, you expected a relatively cheap Ibanez made in Japan or somewhere distant, to better or match a 1961 Gibson Les Paul?

Thats some pretty high expectations, I can see why you'd be getting frustrated, I've played a few guitars made in these factories in this price range and always felt disappointed but I wouldnt have been expecting miracles in the first place.

You would have probably had to get a higher range Ibanez - lets say a Jem, to be fully satisfied with it. Everyone is always going on about the value of midrange Ibanez, but having played a few in the past few weeks in my guitar hunt I've usually found that they felt cheap and the necks were running at odd angles at about the 7th fret.

How straight is the neck btw?


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post Nov 18 2007, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 18 2007, 02:00 AM) *
To be fair, you expected a relatively cheap Ibanez made in Japan or somewhere distant, to better or match a 1961 Gibson Les Paul?

Thats some pretty high expectations, I can see why you'd be getting frustrated, I've played a few guitars made in these factories in this price range and always felt disappointed but I wouldnt have been expecting miracles in the first place.

You would have probably had to get a higher range Ibanez - lets say a Jem, to be fully satisfied with it. Everyone is always going on about the value of midrange Ibanez, but having played a few in the past few weeks in my guitar hunt I've usually found that they felt cheap and the necks were running at odd angles at about the 7th fret.

How straight is the neck btw?


That 's one of the problems - The neck had too much relief. The Intonation was way off on the D string. Of course me being the idiot of floating bridges, every time I fixed something - then stuff was really going wrong somewhere else. I guess some folks have good luck with these guitars, but I demand perfection - it has to be in perfect tune - which is a crap shoot with these floating trems - plus I have tried my best to match the "action" or string Height of these guitars - no way - I have got better results with a $200 YAMAHA STRAT.
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post Nov 18 2007, 09:28 AM
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Tis unfortunate, you might just have been unlucky with the purchase.

Floating trems are a bit of a nuisance, I was considering buying a guitar with one but its such a fiddly process what with the tension, itonation and the action to adjust being so complicated I'm not sure if they're worth the hassle considering they normally end up being a bit of a gimmick anyway.

If your not having much luck with it yourself I suppose you could always get it professionally setup? And if that still doesnt meet with your satisfaction it probably is only worth sending it back.

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QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 18 2007, 02:28 AM) *
Tis unfortunate, you might just have been unlucky with the purchase.

Floating trems are a bit of a nuisance, I was considering buying a guitar with one but its such a fiddly process what with the tension, itonation and the action to adjust being so complicated I'm not sure if they're worth the hassle considering they normally end up being a bit of a gimmick anyway.

If your not having much luck with it yourself I suppose you could always get it professionally setup? And if that still doesnt meet with your satisfaction it probably is only worth sending it back.


No doubt I will send it back - Probably in better shape that it arrived - but still useless.
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 18 2007, 03:19 AM) *
No doubt I will send it back - Probably in better shape that it arrived - but still useless.


But I did figure for 450 US I could at least match the action of my Les Paul. I was going for the trem up/down bar - did not know what a nightmare I had entered. My real disappointment was the action on the Ibanez - it's a joke compared to my Les Paul. They state 2mm on the low E at fret 14 and 1.5 mm on the high E - and it still buzz'es like crazy. I can get a bit lower than this with no problem on the Paul.
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 18 2007, 03:31 AM) *
But I did figure for 450 US I could at least match the action of my Les Paul. I was going for the trem up/down bar - did not know what a nightmare I had entered. My real disappointment was the action on the Ibanez - it's a joke compared to my Les Paul. They state 2mm on the low E at fret 14 and 1.5 mm on the high E - and it still buzz'es like crazy. I can get a bit lower than this with no problem on the Paul.


Hate to beat a dead horse, but everyone who has played my Les Paul has stated that it is the best guitar they have ever played. Now this is not even plugging it in to a good amp. I figured that today it would be no problem to equal or beat this guitar for a reasonable price - I see that I am wrong.
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 16 2007, 10:40 PM) *
Just bought an Ibanex RG370DX. I know the manual (page 20) says to adjust the spring tension to keep the tremolo assembly in parallel with the guitar body, but what part of the tremolo assembly am I supposed to use to line it up. There is an obvious one using the bottom base plate, but I have read where that is wrong.
The manual shows (poorly) that the line is drawn right to the left of the fine tuners. And yes there is a very small area there that I could use as a base for a parallel line to align with the guitar body - is this it? The picture shows the line cutting through a "hump" which is what is confusing me. There is no hump on my RG370.


Sorry if I come across sounding like a prick here but it seems to me that you made two (2) MAJOR mistakes when buying this guitar( I may be wrong).

1: You didn't research the product (well enough) before you bought it.

2: You bought it online instead of in a music store.

I've preached in these forums until the cows come home that you (anyone) really need to do some research before anything is bought, especially music equipment. Research can be online, in chat, in forums, going to a music store and asking questions and most of all "going to a music store and trying out the equipment before buying".

Never ever buy a guitar online (unless you are a tried and true professional who knows what to do in all circumstances) even then don't do it! The main problem is not being able to actually try and compare your guitar against other types/brands of guitars. You also have the fact that you are dealing with a company far away from your home should anything go wrong you have to deal with the problem over the telephone at best. Buying a guitar online usually means that when you get the guitar in, you will have to set the guitar up and then tune it(which seems like the case here). Normally when you buy a guitar in person at a music store they include one free setup and tuning.

I think that should you give it some time and take the road to patience and learning you will find that your Ibanez is a pretty good guitar that sounds really good once it's setup and in tune. It's a steep learning curve at first especially being thrown right into it from the start with a brand new non setup guitar, but as I said, once you get it setup and in tune you will see it's charm.

I myself almost let the fact that a floating tremolo system can be a bear to deal with sway my thought process when I was looking for a new guitar, but when I picked up my guitar (an RG1570 prestige) the first time, I fell in love with it. I could have bought all the way up to a JEM or a Gibson LP Standard model at the time, but knew I wanted the 1570 when I played it.

It's your guitar and obviously you can do with it what you want, but do you really want a piece of hardware to defeat you like this? If you send it back won't you go thru life always wondering what the guitar could have sounded and played like once it was properly set up? Remember once it's setup you just follow a couple of simple rules(don't change more than one string at a time), (never mess with the setup once it's setup and in tune) and you will have a guitar that is always in tune and ready to play whenever you want it for the rest of your life!

Good Luck to you whatever you decide.

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