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Daniel Robinson
Everyone always wants to be the best they can be, but as humans we tend to play to our strengths and ignore our weaknesses.

The same holds true for guitar playing, do you know what your weaknesses are as a player? I would assume most of you know where you are weak in your playing.

I would ask you all.

What are your weak spots in your playing and what can we do to help you overcome them?

Some weaknesses are relatively simple to correct, some are very difficult but until we admit to what we have to work on we will continue to ignore them and our goal of mastering the instrument will become very difficult and frustrating.


I will go first and tell you all that my legato technique is not what it should be, i tend to use my picking skills as a crutch in alot of circumstances. Don't get me wrong i can play legato but its not as smooth as i would like it to be so i have set aside time in my practicing schedule to really get down and dirty to put this problem area to rest.

I have started working on just strengthening my fingers doing trills and hammer on drills, to facilitate this i have also put 12's on my second guitar so i have to work harder to acheive the legato sound in the end i think i will make my fingers alot stronger. Even the last few days i have done this i have seen remarkable increase in finger strength.

Daniel
kyldeee
I also have some problems with legato, and also sweeping... I don't really practice them that much because I get frustrated when I don't get them right and then my motivation gets lower and I don't feel like playing anything biggrin.gif I really should start with some basics I guess... smile.gif

Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (kyldeee @ May 5 2008, 03:28 AM) *
I also have some problems with legato, and also sweeping... I don't really practice them that much because I get frustrated when I don't get them right and then my motivation gets lower and I don't feel like playing anything biggrin.gif I really should start with some basics I guess... smile.gif



What part of sweeping are you having difficulty with maybe we can help suggest ways to help you improve without pulling your hair out.


Daniel
kyldeee
QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ May 5 2008, 08:31 AM) *
What part of sweeping are you having difficulty with maybe we can help suggest ways to help you improve without pulling your hair out.


Daniel


Actually I don't have that much hair, so no worries about there biggrin.gif biggrin.gif I don't seem to have that big of problems sweeping with more strings, like 5 string sweeps, but when I play with 3 string sweeps I don't seem to get them right which is wierd 'cause you would assume that they are easier than 5 string patterns blink.gif And I also have some problems with my palm muting, I don't seem to get them sound that clean as they should...
Daniel Robinson
Maybe this advice can help you, without knowing exactly whats falling apart for you its hard to say.


I had a similar problem when learning sweeps, i could do 5 and 6 string sweeps with ease but shorter spans like 3 or 4 strings it wasnt consistent at all. I really had to pay close attention to what was going wrong.

I realize that when i do 5 or 6 string sweeps there is alot more barring going on which means i was using more of the pads of my fingers for those sweeps the angle of my hand was such that it was easy. When trying to apply this on 3 string patterns i realized that barring the notes more with the pads of my fingers was really the culprit. When executing 3 string patterns its vital to use the very tips of your fingers for some reason on the smaller spacing of 3 strings if you bar more i.e. using more pad of your finger your actually dampening or muting the strings too much.

Also just take your time in the timing execution of the 3 string sweeps. You have trained your right hand to move across double that span, the muscle memory in your right hand wants to move more adjacent strings then just three so thats also probably part of the problem.

Maybe this will help let me know.

Daniel
kyldeee
QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ May 5 2008, 09:07 AM) *
Maybe this advice can help you, without knowing exactly whats falling apart for you its hard to say.


I had a similar problem when learning sweeps, i could do 5 and 6 string sweeps with ease but shorter spans like 3 or 4 strings it wasnt consistent at all. I really had to pay close attention to what was going wrong.

I realize that when i do 5 or 6 string sweeps there is alot more barring going on which means i was using more of the pads of my fingers for those sweeps the angle of my hand was such that it was easy. When trying to apply this on 3 string patterns i realized that barring the notes more with the pads of my fingers was really the culprit. When executing 3 string patterns its vital to use the very tips of your fingers for some reason on the smaller spacing of 3 strings if you bar more i.e. using more pad of your finger your actually dampening or muting the strings too much.

Also just take your time in the timing execution of the 3 string sweeps. You have trained your right hand to move across double that span, the muscle memory in your right hand wants to move more adjacent strings then just three so thats also probably part of the problem.

Maybe this will help let me know.

Daniel

Thanks, that's a great advice, I'll start working on it ASAP smile.gif
superize
I feel that my waekness lies in my legato and espacially my pulloffs.... i cant get it to sound smooth when shifting strings i often make i little paus
Ivan Milenkovic
I have many weaknesses, and the things I should work more on atm are harmony constructions.
Andrew Cockburn
Great topic!

Alternate Picking technique for me - cleanliness and speed. My legato is reasonable and has improved a lot over the last year as I find it comes very naturally, and I practice it to the detriment of AP. With AP it is purely about practice time and discipline for me - I believe I have the mechanics right but I am skimping on the time and effort needed to build up speed in a smooth and controlled fashion!
iainsteward
This is a great topic, thanks Daniel!!

I have a few weaknesses in my playing that no matter how hard I try I cannot put right, the first is fast runs, if for example I am playing a 3nps sequence, I can play it very well up to a certain speed, then I just freeze and my fingers go into meltdown......I try going over and over it with a metronome at a slow speed, then try building up but it is taking me FOREVER to develop the speed I want, my goal in life is to play a few Malmsteen classics note for note perfect, but I am barely able to play them at anywhere near the right speed, its so frustrating!!

Secondly, a mixture of techniques....tapping and legato!! Not combining them, its just that the same problem arises with both techniques, I try and do them.....and playing slow, fine and sounding very clean!! When I speed them up it sounds sloppy and I can often hit wrong notes when tapping!!

The speed problem is the most boggling and annoying!! I can play slower stuff perfectly, and with good phrasing and vibrato then once I get up to a difficult speed I just cant seem to do it, I seem to get lost, and no matter how much practice speed is still elusive!!!

Any tips or help would be GREATLY appreciated!!
Thanks,
Iain!!
Trond Vold
One of my many weaknesses is that i'm completely and utterly useless with the whammy bar. I just cant operate that thing without it sounding drunk smile.gif

Another one that annoys me is that i cant do sweep-tappings without making a bunch of unwanted noise. Well, my sweeping in general could use some work.
chast
My weakness is playing guitar tongue.gif
But my main problem is probably my vibrato and that I can't pick fast :/
And I nearly have no idea about theory biggrin.gif
But these are weaknesses that just need some work.
TreyDeschamp
Great Topic!

I think my weakness is trying to play but not get mad and frustrated when I dont get something quickly. wink.gif
PlayAllDay
Oh dear - I don't have any weaknessess at all... tongue.gif

Seriously I do have some trouble performing a good first finger vibrato in the forearm twisting fashion. Have you any tips for that Daniel - I really think I just haven't put in enough hours yet for it to feel easy, but any extra info could help.
rokchik
Fantastic topic Daniel smile.gif

As for my weaknesses well I think I may crash GMC if I list them all tongue.gif wink.gif But some of what I've been trying to correct lately is my alternate picking - same as Andrew said the cleanliness and speed. I've noticed as well since I started recording myself that I tend to cut notes short, I don't let them ring so I've been working on that a lot the last few days and my vibrato is horrible, again something I noticed since I started recording. Those are just a few I've been trying to improve lately but the list goes on and on my friend.

rok
ZakkWylde
I have extreme rythm problems because I can't stand to use the metronome.
USAMAN
Endurance in downward picking...If I try to play master of pppets all down-picking my arm will explode.

Not being strict enough with my alternate picking....I cheat....alot.......
Canis
I have a lot of weaknesses... But if I were to pick one major one, I'd say it's playing along with a backing track.. I always play faster or slower then the backing track is made for. Example: I've "mastered" Marcus' Pentatonic Solo, but when I play along with the backing track, I'm never at the point I should be. Like in the middle there, the backing track get's faster, but I'm allready past that part or not yet there. Been looking at Kris' metronome lesson now and then to get some repetation on how to use the rhythm..

Other weaknesses is bending and vibrato.
audiopaal
I think I'm pretty average in most things, and the only thing I think I'm great at is rythm guitar..
I will work on playing solos to get better at that at the moment but there will always be thinks to get better at, even my rythm guitar playing so I don't see it as weaknesses, only problems to be solved smile.gif
Siggum
Got many weaknesess, for example fast alternate picking with clean notes, arpeggios, vibrato and a bunch of theory.
Andrew Cockburn
QUOTE (rokchik @ May 5 2008, 11:17 AM) *
Fantastic topic Daniel smile.gif

As for my weaknesses well I think I may crash GMC if I list them all tongue.gif wink.gif But some of what I've been trying to correct lately is my alternate picking - same as Andrew said the cleanliness and speed. I've noticed as well since I started recording myself that I tend to cut notes short, I don't let them ring so I've been working on that a lot the last few days and my vibrato is horrible, again something I noticed since I started recording. Those are just a few I've been trying to improve lately but the list goes on and on my friend.

rok


Thats why recording yourself is so cool - it really brings you down a peg or two wink.gif
Jad Diab
i think i have a lot of weakness when i go to vacation, so i stop electric guitar for about 2 weeks, and then come back, so it's like i've forgotten everything, and i have to play about 10 hours (maybe more) just to try to get back to what i can do
i also got a big weakness while singing and playing guitar at the same time, i can do it with easy chord progression.
rokchik
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ May 5 2008, 02:27 PM) *
Thats why recording yourself is so cool - it really brings you down a peg or two wink.gif


Well I was only up a peg or two so I guess I'm back to square one laugh.gif

But yes recording really does open your ears to what your doing, right and wrong. It is really showing me how sloppy I was before and is forcing me to really pay attention and fine tune. But as embarrassing as it is, I'm becoming a better player smile.gif

rok
DeepRoots
Hmm..weaknesses...

I'd say my sweeping has gone downhill because i've practised nothing but alternate picking for a while..also my legato could be waay better.

One thing i need to start practising is finger-picking, i played the greensleeves lesson a while back and stopped practising fingerpicking for some unknown reason..

Also..im not great working over chord changes, like changing scale but keeping in the same position not just moving around the same shape to different positions.

All will come with time tough i am sure biggrin.gif

Good idea for a topic btw, now i know what to get practising right away tongue.gif
Nick325
i would say my sweeping, 5 string more than 3 string, because i cant really start to speed up while mutting. i always seem to lift my palm. and maybe a little tapping but im practicing it a lot more (cause it sounds awsome wink.gif )
Gus
Sweep picking, definitely...

I gave it more than one try, but I always lose motivation.
Maybe I am too addicted to alternate picking. When I try to speed up the sweeping I automatically move to alternate picking....

I am not practicing too much right now, but as soon I finish my thesis I decided one thing. I will always practice my worst technique every day. That will be sweep picking as a start. And when I think it is not the worst anymore I move to something else...
Outlaw2112
Playing in front of people... I can play stuff perfect by myself, but when im in front of people i tend to mess up and get nervous..
The Uncreator
8 finger tapping, I have never progressed so slowly at a technique
fatb0t
SWEEPING
and legato are my weaknesses....
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For a while it was descending AP 3 note per string runs - Fixed it though! Took a solid weak of practicing the aeolian in every key descending, with some legato slides to expand all over the fret board - Now my descending is faster than my ascending - gotta work on that too I suppose!

I love the feeling of accomplishment when you start to become really comfortable with something that was so awkward to you in the beginning...
audiopaal
QUOTE (The Uncreator @ May 6 2008, 03:06 AM) *
8 finger tapping, I have never progressed so slowly at a technique


blink.gif 8 finger tapping? Is that even possible? laugh.gif
DeepRoots
QUOTE (audiopaal @ May 6 2008, 07:41 AM) *
blink.gif 8 finger tapping? Is that even possible? laugh.gif


Apparently so...

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...tapping-lesson/
audiopaal
QUOTE (DeepRoots @ May 6 2008, 08:46 AM) *


Yes, but that's Muris, I'm speaking for the rest of us laugh.gif
DeepRoots
QUOTE (audiopaal @ May 6 2008, 08:08 AM) *
Yes, but that's Muris, I'm speaking for the rest of us laugh.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif I see wink.gif
Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (superize @ May 5 2008, 05:16 AM) *
I feel that my waekness lies in my legato and espacially my pulloffs.... i cant get it to sound smooth when shifting strings i often make i little paus




Lets try to start and tackle these things, lets start with Supersize.


My advice to you on this problem area is not so much metronome work,.....although very important it sounds to me like your problem is in string transistion and not timing.

First off start by analyzing hand angle and posistion as well as how you move from one string to another. Hand angle can play a big part in pull off resolution to another string. It may seem uncomfortable at first but when making a transistion to a lower string try changing the angle of your wrist. So that you have a sleight turning of the wrist counter-clockwise (towards the bridge) it doesnt have to be a huge angle change just very subtle. Typically when doing a descending legato phrase your leading into the next string with your pinky or ring finger, which obviously isnt as long as your index and middle finger. Get your finger closer to the next string before getting there may help reducing that "Pause" your speaking of.

Also try very hard to avoid the "Fly away fingers" syndrome where when you pull off your fingers go flying far from the fret board.

Another good excersise for working on this is not trying to do say 6 notes descending, practice 4 notes descending then 5 notes descending in an alternate way.

For example start at the 12th fret high E string with your pinky on the 12th play legato 12----10-----9 then shift to the B string with your pinky to the 12th B string. then starting again on the High E string 12th fret 12----10----9 shift to B string with your pinky doing 12----10. Work on this pattern alternating between the two working up the speed.

Pay special attention to hand posistion and how close your fingers remain to the fretboard. Conservation of motion is absolute key in solid legato playing. The less motion you have to have the smoother its going to sound.

One other thing you can try to get your legato smoother dealing specifically with your problem is just to do hammer on pull off excersise on 1 string and try to get your pull off motion to be as small as possible and still sound the notes.

For example just start on the 12th fret again with your pinky and pull off to your index finger on 9th so how little of motion is required on your guitar to just sound the notes. You constantly have to trim motion size the faster you get.


Keep working on it you will get it.

Daniel
Nemanja Filipovic
Great topic Daniel.My weakness is that I don't haw electric guitar.smile.gif
Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ May 5 2008, 05:19 AM) *
I have many weaknesses, and the things I should work more on atm are harmony constructions.



This is something that alot of guitarists struggle with later in their development, myself included. Its when you start realizing you need to really get into the nuts and bolts of the theory aspect.


My friend and I have been working together on solving this slowly over time, what we are doing is finding actual music scores for symphonies, and analyzing the intricate web of harmonies that are taking place between all the instruments.

When you start to see the patterns in this way it becomes much easier to create those harmonies on a single instrument because you start to develop a sense of the intervals involved and how they interact with the other instruments your playing with.


My recommendation is to try it and see what you can get out of it.

Daniel

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ May 5 2008, 07:53 AM) *
Great topic!

Alternate Picking technique for me - cleanliness and speed. My legato is reasonable and has improved a lot over the last year as I find it comes very naturally, and I practice it to the detriment of AP. With AP it is purely about practice time and discipline for me - I believe I have the mechanics right but I am skimping on the time and effort needed to build up speed in a smooth and controlled fashion!




This comes back to the intital reason i started this post, we tend to ignore where we are weak. My friend always tells me you make time for whats important to you and the rest falls by the wayside.

My advice in your particular case is try mixing up your legato with AP riffs...as an example lets say your doing a 3nps pattern across three strings. Play legato on the first two string and AP the last string. This has several things going for it.

First your working on AP while still maintaining your legato technique, your also opening up the possiblity of a different rhythmic sound to your phrasing.

And at the same time your starting to work on the basics of hybrid picking. Try this approach and see what you can come up with.

Daniel

QUOTE (iainsteward @ May 5 2008, 08:00 AM) *
This is a great topic, thanks Daniel!!

I have a few weaknesses in my playing that no matter how hard I try I cannot put right, the first is fast runs, if for example I am playing a 3nps sequence, I can play it very well up to a certain speed, then I just freeze and my fingers go into meltdown......I try going over and over it with a metronome at a slow speed, then try building up but it is taking me FOREVER to develop the speed I want, my goal in life is to play a few Malmsteen classics note for note perfect, but I am barely able to play them at anywhere near the right speed, its so frustrating!!

Secondly, a mixture of techniques....tapping and legato!! Not combining them, its just that the same problem arises with both techniques, I try and do them.....and playing slow, fine and sounding very clean!! When I speed them up it sounds sloppy and I can often hit wrong notes when tapping!!

The speed problem is the most boggling and annoying!! I can play slower stuff perfectly, and with good phrasing and vibrato then once I get up to a difficult speed I just cant seem to do it, I seem to get lost, and no matter how much practice speed is still elusive!!!

Any tips or help would be GREATLY appreciated!!
Thanks,
Iain!!


Iain,

I certainly agree with how boggling the speed aspect is. Its something i still struggle with. What i have found though in breaking it down it comes down to a few key things. First off i find that in alot of ways the speed issue especially with Alternate picking comes down to a sync issue between left and right hand and not 1 or the other. For instance i can easily pick 32nd notes at 150bpm if i am just on an open string not fretting any notes.

I can also hammer on and pull off 32nd notes at 150bpm on a 3 note pattern with just my left hand. When i tried to do both it fell apart. I started to realize that it was indeed a sync problem and not a picking or fretting problem.


The other aspect of the speed issue is there seems to be a space at least for me in AP skills at a certain range of BPM.

For the longest time when trying to play 16th note triplets for example at 120 to 125 or so BPM i just couldnt get any kind of consistency....lower BPM i had no difficulty with. Nor with playing 32nd notes at that speed. At first i just thought it was my ears playing tricks on me but i actually recorded myself at 120BPM playing alternate picking licks at 32nd notes and slowed it down and listened for inconsistencies but there wasnt any.

So why was it falling apart at 120bpm with 16th note trips?


I then realized the problem had to do with the syncing between left and right hand, but the sync issue was being caused by my picking hand. I realized that when i was playing the 16th note triplets at that speed i was using more arm motion to pick with then wrist action like when i play faster.

Once i realized what was happening i started to physically watch myself when playing with a metronome at that speed and made sure my picking angle and wrist use was consistent thru the speed ranges i could play.

Perhaps the same is occuring for you. Without actually seeing you play the difficulty your having is hard to judge but take the time on your own to really analyze what is actually happening when you have that "Meltdown" zone.

I think i can safely say that when you reach a certain speed your either tensing up too much so force yourself to relax, or....you are altering something as you approach that speed threshold.

If you find out what the trouble is let us know you can probably help someone else here having the exact same trouble.


Daniel

QUOTE (Trond Vold @ May 5 2008, 08:17 AM) *
One of my many weaknesses is that i'm completely and utterly useless with the whammy bar. I just cant operate that thing without it sounding drunk smile.gif

Another one that annoys me is that i cant do sweep-tappings without making a bunch of unwanted noise. Well, my sweeping in general could use some work.



As far as either of your problems are concerned i have little advice to give, i completely ignore the whammy bar. The only reason i don't use a hardtail guitar is because i find bending is easier on a guitar with a whammy because the springs will give enough so you don't have to push as hard to reach the pitch you want.

My advice on this particular area would be to take que's from people who use the whammy bar with a great deal of precision and try to emulate what you hear.

A good place to start imo is with someone like Kiko Loureiro from Angra, he has some excellent whammy usage.

Check out this vid, especially the center section of this song is some really awesome whammy work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQL2cLE7HpA...feature=related


As far as string noise well....its all a matter of just getting tighter, especially for you Trond. Your rhythm and lead skills are very clean so its just a matter of working it out i guess.


Daniel
superize
QUOTE (Daniel Robinson @ May 6 2008, 02:47 PM) *
Lets try to start and tackle these things, lets start with Supersize.


My advice to you on this problem area is not so much metronome work,.....although very important it sounds to me like your problem is in string transistion and not timing.

First off start by analyzing hand angle and posistion as well as how you move from one string to another. Hand angle can play a big part in pull off resolution to another string. It may seem uncomfortable at first but when making a transistion to a lower string try changing the angle of your wrist. So that you have a sleight turning of the wrist counter-clockwise (towards the bridge) it doesnt have to be a huge angle change just very subtle. Typically when doing a descending legato phrase your leading into the next string with your pinky or ring finger, which obviously isnt as long as your index and middle finger. Get your finger closer to the next string before getting there may help reducing that "Pause" your speaking of.

Also try very hard to avoid the "Fly away fingers" syndrome where when you pull off your fingers go flying far from the fret board.

Another good excersise for working on this is not trying to do say 6 notes descending, practice 4 notes descending then 5 notes descending in an alternate way.

For example start at the 12th fret high E string with your pinky on the 12th play legato 12----10-----9 then shift to the B string with your pinky to the 12th B string. then starting again on the High E string 12th fret 12----10----9 shift to B string with your pinky doing 12----10. Work on this pattern alternating between the two working up the speed.

Pay special attention to hand posistion and how close your fingers remain to the fretboard. Conservation of motion is absolute key in solid legato playing. The less motion you have to have the smoother its going to sound.

One other thing you can try to get your legato smoother dealing specifically with your problem is just to do hammer on pull off excersise on 1 string and try to get your pull off motion to be as small as possible and still sound the notes.

For example just start on the 12th fret again with your pinky and pull off to your index finger on 9th so how little of motion is required on your guitar to just sound the notes. You constantly have to trim motion size the faster you get.


Keep working on it you will get it.

Daniel


Thanks for the advice
OrganisedConfusion
I'm just superb all across the board biggrin.gif

My weaknesses are theory, downpicking, alternate picking, sweeping, hybrid picking, economy picking and many other regions.

My strengths are my trademark slowlos biggrin.gif
Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (chast @ May 5 2008, 08:22 AM) *
My weakness is playing guitar tongue.gif
But my main problem is probably my vibrato and that I can't pick fast :/
And I nearly have no idea about theory biggrin.gif
But these are weaknesses that just need some work.



Chast,

I have the same weakness tongue.gif The guitar is like crack to me, if i pick it up i can't put it down. I really have to focus on things i have to get done around the house and what not so i don't spend 5 hours lost in guitar land smile.gif


As far as vibrato goes its really a preference as to what you do vibrato wise. There are so many vibrato techniques and variations on them i could write a college essay on them lol.

Me personally i have two vibrato styles that are pretty much my staples the first one is with my index finger i don't use a wrist vibrato i just shake the string with my finger back and forth i also almost always really pinch the string when i use this vibrato.

The other vibrato i use is shaking the guitar and sleightly moving my fingers back and forth. Because of the way i shake the guitar it makes my vibrato when i do this eliptic too, which adds another element to it.

As far as practicing vibrato first you need to decide on the technique your going to use for doing it. But once that is settled practice with either a metronome or a backing track...the backing track is more fun for obvious reasons. But try to time your vibrato in natural tempo's that compliment the BPM your using. You dont have to match perfectly but it makes it sound so much nicer when your close to a natural tempo. Alot of newer players i see tend to get very spastic when it comes to vibrato, and it shouldnt be spastic. Fast vibrato is not wrong nor is slow vibrato but it needs to have some kind of order to it. Unless for musical purposes your speciafically trying to sound chaotic.

Now when you say you can't pick fast are you saying that you can't AP fast...or just can't move the pick across the string quickly in general?

If its an AP problem there are several lessons here that can get you started in the right direction. If its picking in general i.e. just sounding the string. Start working on whats hanging you up. In the beginning i remember not having any consistency sounding the string with my picking. First off my hand motions were too big, and secondly my pick angle was all wrong for playing fast.

Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with picking the string with your pick parrallel with the string, if...and thats a big IF, you can get your pick touch light enough so you barely have to move to sound the string at speed. But for the most part precision of that kind is hard to come by without years and years of practice. Its far easier to angle your pick so its closer to 90 degrees to the string. This way when plucking the string with the pick the string will tend to "roll" over the string because the pick is curved on the end. The other way with the pick parallel to the string if your touch isnt super light it will "Hang" on the string making it very difficult to get a smooth picking stroke.

Music theory is just like learning math..or science, you have to study it to understand it. A good first step though in your road to theory mastery is to memorize the notes on the neck of the guitar, to know without thinking about it for example that if you fret a note on the low E string on the 7th fret that its B for example. If you learn the notes to the point you can just call them out in any order, it will make it much easier once you start to apply the theory skills you will learn as you go.

Daniel

QUOTE (TreyDeschamp @ May 5 2008, 08:25 AM) *
Great Topic!

I think my weakness is trying to play but not get mad and frustrated when I dont get something quickly. wink.gif



TreyDeschamp,

I know the frustration road you speak of all to well. There are even licks now that i have practiced for weeks and weeks that i just can't get my body to cooperate.

I find the best thing to do is when you learn a lick pattern to incorporate it into your own playing as quickly as you can. Lets say you learned a lick pattern thats meant to be played at 130BPM but you can't play it that fast. Find a backing track you can jam along with thats only like 100BPM and try using the lick in the context of that BT at that speed. I find i assimilate a certain pattern much faster if i do this rather then beating myself over the head with a metronome.

Daniel
Muris Varajic
Probably note choice...million dollars question I would say.
Plus some techniques. biggrin.gif

Off to practicing wink.gif
OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (Muris Varajic @ May 6 2008, 03:29 PM) *
Probably note choice...million dollars question I would say.
Plus some techniques. biggrin.gif

Off to practicing wink.gif

Now now Muris. You know you have zero weaknesses tongue.gif You're a guitar god biggrin.gif I think you need to practice playing guitar upside down biggrin.gif
Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (PlayAllDay @ May 5 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Oh dear - I don't have any weaknessess at all... tongue.gif

Seriously I do have some trouble performing a good first finger vibrato in the forearm twisting fashion. Have you any tips for that Daniel - I really think I just haven't put in enough hours yet for it to feel easy, but any extra info could help.



PlayAllDay,


I don't use this vibrato much at all but when i have i can say for sure its less about finger strength as it is forearm strength. Which is the reason i tend not to use it. I have small forearms and wrists hence wimpy. A friend of mine uses this vibrato almost exclusively. He worked on building up his forearm with a weight. What he did was tie a string to a 5 pound weight and just lift the weight up and down by turning his forearm while resting his arm on a chair arm. Make sure you lock your finger straight before execution so it all comes from the wrist.

I have found when trying this vibrato that the vibrato is much more pronounced, which means you can hear very clearly if your going out of pitch. Be very careful that your movement is smooth and even, because even the slightest flutter from your finger or guitar movement can throw your pitch out.

Again also i mention as i did above to someone else make sure your vibrato fluctuations are close to a natural tempo against whatever it is your playing.

Another thing to point out about vibrato in general is you don't always have to do it right away. Think of vibrato like you would a singers voice. When they land on a long note the vibrato doesnt always start immediately. Try land dead on a pitch and holding it for a second then vibrato, try different lengths before starting to use it. It can add huge impact of emotion to the playing just by changing that subtle thing.

Thats the best advice i can give you on the subject since i don't personally use that vibrato myself, but i am sure there are others here who do who might be able to help you beyond what i have stated.

Daniel


QUOTE (rokchik @ May 5 2008, 11:17 AM) *
Fantastic topic Daniel smile.gif

As for my weaknesses well I think I may crash GMC if I list them all tongue.gif wink.gif But some of what I've been trying to correct lately is my alternate picking - same as Andrew said the cleanliness and speed. I've noticed as well since I started recording myself that I tend to cut notes short, I don't let them ring so I've been working on that a lot the last few days and my vibrato is horrible, again something I noticed since I started recording. Those are just a few I've been trying to improve lately but the list goes on and on my friend.

rok



Well if you crash GMC its for all the right reasons wink.gif

Anyway i have posted several thoughts on the AP aspect of playing with previous people so just peruse those for some insight. As well as vibrato.

On the cutting notes short problem i had this problem alot my first year or two i started playing. And just like you i didnt realize it till i heard myself recorded.

What i did find though was causing this issue was having to think too hard about where i was going. Trying to cram too many notes into a phrase and still staying in key was the issue. At that point i started using much shorter phrases but trying to get alot more out of them. You can take a 4 or 5 note phrase and speak volumes if you take the time to get across a specific feeling rather then a million notes that cover alot of ground.

The other thing partly of what i said above, when you do start using more notes in a phrase at least for now try not to cover too much ground on the neck as it adds to the problem because part of the cutting off of the notes has to do with having to do rapid posistion changes on the neck and to compensate for your skill your jumping the gun to get your hand into place.

Its all about training muscle memory so that later you can cover a huge span of the neck in a solo without really thinking much about where your fingers are going and you can concentrate on the attitude of what your playing rather then the execution. Which is where all good players really need to live. If you can play a million notes semi well people listening to it won't get the same out of as if you can play 3 or 4 notes with all your emotion, with conviction and attitude. Thats where your creativity and your inner spirit are revealed to the audience in a very intimate way and you connect with them on a very deep level.

Daniel


QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ May 5 2008, 11:27 AM) *
I have extreme rythm problems because I can't stand to use the metronome.



I know alot of people that feel the same way Zakk,

My advice to help you is to create some simple Backing tracks for yourself at very specific BPM, then work on your scales, rhythm and solo patterns, in a very "Metronome" fashion over the backing tracks. This way its more like playing music and less like practicing.

This is doing two things for you, first of all its helping to correct your timing issues, and secondly your learning to train your ear to hear different intervals and such within the key your playing.


Daniel

QUOTE (USAMAN @ May 5 2008, 11:32 AM) *
Endurance in downward picking...If I try to play master of pppets all down-picking my arm will explode.

Not being strict enough with my alternate picking....I cheat....alot.......



The only thing that can help endurance is repitition, i wish there was a magic switch i could flip for ya, or give some nifty exercise. But really the only thing you can do for this is just keep pushing your downpick speed levels. But for this you not only need to downpick faster but you need to do it for longer periods of time. I would suggest putting together a specific excersise for yourself that has you downpicking for at a close to your max speed for say 1 and a half minutes. Then every few days increasing the BPM by a couple notches and lengthening the time by 20 seconds. This way your slowly increasing your speed at the same time your increasing your endurance to do it.

As for cheating with alternate picking, we have all been there you have to just mentally spank yourself into really working thru it.

Daniel

QUOTE (Canis @ May 5 2008, 11:39 AM) *
I have a lot of weaknesses... But if I were to pick one major one, I'd say it's playing along with a backing track.. I always play faster or slower then the backing track is made for. Example: I've "mastered" Marcus' Pentatonic Solo, but when I play along with the backing track, I'm never at the point I should be. Like in the middle there, the backing track get's faster, but I'm allready past that part or not yet there. Been looking at Kris' metronome lesson now and then to get some repetation on how to use the rhythm..

Other weaknesses is bending and vibrato.



Canis,

I can certainly understand this happening. This generally is a mental awarness thing, once you learn the solo licks and can play them you have to really pay attention to the song your playing along with rather then focusing all your attention on what your playing. A big part of music is listening to and assimilate what everyone else is doing. Try to pick out certain things in the song that give you landmarks to go by, for instance lets say you hear a certain drum fill. Know exactly what follows that drum fill so that your always in the right place at the right time. If you find your self drifting too far try to find "landmarks" that are much close together. There will always be some subtle clue on the music map where your supposed to be at any given time. Even if you have to do it on a chord by chord basis.

Lets say in your instance with Marcus' lesson, what part of the lick is played over chord 1, what lick is played over chord 2 what lick is played over chord 3. Then you hear a drum fill...what lick is played after that drum fill. Its all about listening to the backing track for those landmarks.

I know i went thru a similar problem, where i was so focused on my hands that i forgot to listen to what was going on in the song i was playing.

As far as vibrato i have said several things on vibrato to other people above, so just look around for some ideas.

Bending,

There are two things you have to work on for bending. One is pitch correction, a good practice for this is to play a note, doesnt matter where for sake of arguement play on the G-string on the 12th Fret, this way you can hear that note freshly in your mind, now move down to the 10 fret and bend right up to that 12th note. Go back and forth between the plucked note and the bent note working on making sure the pitch your bending up to is dead on. After awhile of doing this with different intervals bending will become alot easier because you will have done it so often that you have trained yourself with muscle memory of exactly how much pressure you need to apply to the string to hit the note you want to hit. After awhile it becomes second nature. Just keep training your ear to the pitch for now so you can train your fingers to hit the correct pitch on demand.

Daniel

QUOTE (audiopaal @ May 5 2008, 11:59 AM) *
I think I'm pretty average in most things, and the only thing I think I'm great at is rythm guitar..
I will work on playing solos to get better at that at the moment but there will always be thinks to get better at, even my rythm guitar playing so I don't see it as weaknesses, only problems to be solved smile.gif



Thats a great attitude to have audiopaal, i find now i work on things that strike my fancy. I spend a great deal of time listening to different kinds of music, and i use the inspiration from things that i have heard to develop my own interpretation of those ideas, and 9 times outta 10 i have to work on a specific element of my playing to get those points across.

Daniel
Canis
Wow, thanks a lot Daniel biggrin.gif
Daniel Robinson
QUOTE (Siggum @ May 5 2008, 12:18 PM) *
Got many weaknesess, for example fast alternate picking with clean notes, arpeggios, vibrato and a bunch of theory.




For fast Alternate picking i would suggest 2 excersises, first just using a metronome set it at close to your max picking speed, and just practice your picking hand on an open muted string. Work diligently to get the picking itself to be as clean and precise as you can get it. Keep pushing the speed up in small increments over a few days. Then when you have reached a good level there.

Go back to the speed you started at and just play two notes back and forth kinda like a trill, but pick each note, with alternate picking, work your way up over the next few days to the speed you stopped at. Once you have done that start adding notes.

The big key to fast clean alternate picking is perfect syncronizing of right and left hands once you can do this at a good speed with a small amount of notes just keep adding 1 note every few days pretty soon your playing 11 12 note patterns at a good clip.

As far as arps go, hand posisition is very important when trying to execute fast arps, especially non-sweeped arps. Again use the method as above for arps that you did with the AP excersise, just practice the string transistion with muted open strings with a metronome so you get those "pick clicks" smooth and uniform, then start adding real notes, start with like 3 note arps to begin with and do them both sweeped, and AP'd so you can practice both at the same time and slowly add more and more notes


As for vibrato just read some of the things i said to others about vibrato, pick a technique thats pleasing to you and perfect it.

QUOTE (Zizi Top @ May 5 2008, 01:39 PM) *
i think i have a lot of weakness when i go to vacation, so i stop electric guitar for about 2 weeks, and then come back, so it's like i've forgotten everything, and i have to play about 10 hours (maybe more) just to try to get back to what i can do
i also got a big weakness while singing and playing guitar at the same time, i can do it with easy chord progression.



There are alot of people who have trouble with this Zizi your not alone, my advice for this is to get yourself something you can take with you on vaction when you cant have your guitar. Get one of those finger strengthning devices that you can carry around with you at least this way you can keep your finger strength up even if you cant practice on a guitar.

Something like this little thing

http://www.prohands.net/?gclid=CMOZs_mhkpMCFQJtlgod53T6hA

As far as singing and playing guitar at the same time i can't help you much in that department i can't do it myself very well either. But then again in never professed to be a vocalist smile.gif

Daniel
rokchik
Thank you very much Daniel for your response smile.gif

Amazing advice and so so helpful. I have noticed that I tend to rush to get my fret hand into position but never really put two and two together. Thank you for pointing this out. I've read through your other posts and well I think this thread is one of the most informative to date. A lot of very valuable information and advice.

Great job Daniel smile.gif

rok
ActiveX
Strumming; nice simple strumming on the acoustic...for the life of me I can't get motivated to practice this, even though I know how important it is. I always end up cranking up the distortion and just practicing the "fun" stuff...power chords, solo's, pinch harmonics, improv, tabs for songs, etc.
Nobody
Well my main weakness is playing an other guitarist's solo in right timing. I can learn riffs and stuff and play them 1:1 when I want to but I just can't learn a solo and play it the way that other guitarist felt it. And this is a big problem because when we do some covers with my band I always make the solo different and it's not exactly in time this messes things up..

Other thing that's my weakness is Sweep Picking because the only way I can make each note sound perfectly is playing really slow but I do it every day so in the end I will be playing perfect Sweeps. It's a matter of time..

Cheers,
Hristian
Gus
QUOTE (audiopaal @ May 6 2008, 09:08 AM) *
Yes, but that's Muris, I'm speaking for the rest of us laugh.gif

I bet Muris can make 10 finger tapping ! laugh.gif
PlayAllDay
Thanks very much for all the points you metion in this thread Daniel (and for my vibrato advice) - it's great and getting better with each new topic addressed.
I would actually like to see a video lesson on vibrato - on the actual mechanics of playing each different type so if other Instructors as well are reading please consider it. smile.gif
Nobody
PAD, actually there are some very good lessons on vibrato from the master himself - Marcus Lavendell :]

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...sson1/index.htm

Here's the first one, it has links to the other parts.

Cheers,
Hristian
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