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enforcer
Can - Jeremy Mtp Session Thread

Hey there Jeremy,

This was a fortunate event that we matched, as you know we were already interchanged ideas a few times now smile.gif And I am really a fan of your d.i.y amp project. smile.gif

I believe we already have a disadventage as Iowa and Istanbul has 8 hours of time difference. But with you and I checking this thread in a regular basis this can be compensated...

Well before we start I will have some questions for you.

1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records smile.gif )
6-Up the Irons?
7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? laugh.gif (Just kidding)
8-Are you familiar with music theory?
9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?

If you answer these questions when you have time, I'll try to suit your needs.

I am really excited about this man hope we do great!
jer
Hey Can!!!!

Iowa... Istanbul... Music knows no time zone. smile.gif

Questions. No prob. Here we go!!!!!

1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
I'd like to think that I am going to get serious with it. But in reality I think it'll be more of a hobby. Work, the wife, daddyhood, other hobbies. I realistically dont have enough hours in the day to look at it as a career thing.

2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
Speed. Non 4/4 timing. Playing outside of the beat. Triplets.

3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
For our month I have dedicated an hour a day on 3 weekdays and both weekend days. Minimally. So 5 hours a week. Daily? Maybe none. Maybe an hour. Or more...

4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
Yep. No prob there. There is something useful in all music.

5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records )
Glenn Tipton from Judas Priest. His solos in "Electric Eye", "Beyond The Realms Of Death", & "Touch Of Evil" are amazing!!!! Youtube links here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS6-sTZRhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i1dinm3UE...t=1&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZID8n4X60

6-Up the Irons?
HELL YEAH!!!

7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? (Just kidding)
smile.gif I couldnt do it without my buddy Dave's help. He's the brains of the outfit.

8-Are you familiar with music theory?
Yeah.

9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
Yes and No. If I can see it getting put to use then the exercises can be concentrated on. If it seems like exercises for exercise sake then yeah, its tough.

10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?
Hmmm.... Great question. Seeing things applied. Hearing examples. Hearing music. Not exercises. I understand that exercises are needed and useful. But hearing examples of what we are working towards always helps.
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:07 AM) *
Hey Can!!!!

Iowa... Istanbul... Music knows no time zone. smile.gif


I totally agree with you. Lets Rock!

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1-What do you plan to do in music? Do you play as an hobby or you want to get serious with it?
I'd like to think that I am going to get serious with it. But in reality I think it'll be more of a hobby. Work, the wife, daddyhood, other hobbies. I realistically dont have enough hours in the day to look at it as a career thing.


Realism is good, and its really great that you can find time amongs you priorities... Also who knows, maybe you can actually get serious with it. smile.gif

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2-What are your weakest points in your guitar playing in your opinion?
Speed. Non 4/4 timing. Playing outside of the beat. Triplets.

Non 4/4 timing, triplets and playing outside of the beat are just a matter of feeling and I believe this can be accomplished rather easy. Speed, is another matter, because it requires hard work, devotion and lots of boring exercices biggrin.gif

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3-How much time can you spare for playing guitar in a day?
For our month I have dedicated an hour a day on 3 weekdays and both weekend days. Minimally. So 5 hours a week. Daily? Maybe none. Maybe an hour. Or more...

I believe a hour for five to six days of week will be adequate. I am sure as we are progressing with some enjoyable exercises you'll be amazed how you exceed the initially planned worktime smile.gif

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4-Are ok with listening to other kinds of music than you actually like?
Yep. No prob there. There is something useful in all music.

That is great, as you said there is use on anykind of music...

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5-Who is your guitar hero? (I know I asked that already in PM but for the records )
Glenn Tipton from Judas Priest. His solos in "Electric Eye", "Beyond The Realms Of Death", & "Touch Of Evil" are amazing!!!! Youtube links here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVS6-sTZRhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2i1dinm3UE...t=1&index=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZID8n4X60


I am listening to mentioned solos rightaway...

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6-Up the Irons?
HELL YEAH!!!


Hehhehehe, Iron Maiden is the first metal music I ever heard in my life. That is great we both love the same band smile.gif

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7-Would you like to help me build my own amp? (Just kidding)
smile.gif I couldnt do it without my buddy Dave's help. He's the brains of the outfit.

Well you have done a great job nevertheless smile.gif

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8-Are you familiar with music theory?
Yeah.


That is great, at least you have a basis on this, that will be easier for both of us.

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9-Can you easily concentrate while working on exercises or your attention easily slips away ? (This is serious as it affects the overall efficiency)
Yes and No. If I can see it getting put to use then the exercises can be concentrated on. If it seems like exercises for exercise sake then yeah, its tough.

10-Do you have a suggestion about the way you'll learn better?
Hmmm.... Great question. Seeing things applied. Hearing examples. Hearing music. Not exercises. I understand that exercises are needed and useful. But hearing examples of what we are working towards always helps.


Man, I'll try to do my best to show you some solo based exercises which dont look like exercises but some songs. I'll do some videos, and refer to some great videos here at GMC. I am sorry to say that at some points we'll have to focus on some boring exercises because there is no other way. But I'll try to avoid these kind of exercises whenever its possible.

Right now we are waiting for a syllabus for our lesson schedule, but we may make some preparations, today, when you get home, try to work on this solo, its a very easy one. The solo I am talking about is Metallica-Sanitorium's entry solo[0:48-1:12] and the interlude solo [2:10-2:37], just listen to it, try to see how it is played, and try to play it better than Kirk Hammet played. You will see that try to play better suggestion is not a very difficult one, as he played rather feelingless such a good solo. Try to concentrate on your vibratos and bends. Create vibratos, dont be afraid to rearrange the solo. I am sure this wont push you very hard.

Metallica Sanitorium Video on Youtube

If you have time make a video of it if not just record the mp3.

You'll find the solo tabs here (actually whole songs tabs)

Metallica-Sanitorium Tabs

Here is the guitar pro file, positions on it are different than the previous one, you can play it wherever you like, but try to make it sound beautiful and clean. This is all I ask from you. You can use gp file to provide you with a back track.


Good luck man biggrin.gif

Can
jer
Sounds good. I'll tackle this tonight. I can hear the solo in my head. I'll watch the video a few times here at work too. I work at a PC in a cubicle all day so headphones are my friend. I get a lot ofusic listening done in an 8 hr day.


FYI - Tomorrow morning I leave for a out of town wedding. I wont have any time to practice until Sunday night.

enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Sounds good. I'll tackle this tonight. I can hear the solo in my head. I'll watch the video a few times here at work too. I work at a PC in a cubicle all day so headphones are my friend. I get a lot ofusic listening done in an 8 hr day.


FYI - Tomorrow morning I leave for a out of town wedding. I wont have any time to practice until Sunday night.



Ok man, I'll keep posting on my video and song suggestions, we are already waiting for the syllabus, so your being out of town wont hurt our progress much. Just check internet regularly and everything will be fine smile.gif
jer
After listening to the solo: There are a couple of parts in the 2nd solo that are faster than I am comfortable with. You'll see those on the video. smile.gif

On a side note, these are the kinds of solos I absolutely love.

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I am sorry to say that at some points we'll have to focus on some boring exercises because there is no other way.
Not a problem. I know its necessary. I'll do them.

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Speed, is another matter, because it requires hard work, devotion and lots of boring exercices
Yep. I am very aware of this. Speed isnt an important part of it to me. I know its something that will build eventually as I push myself after haveing a better handle on the rest of it. Naturally being better all around will allow me to get faster with time.

Our syllabus is up: http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=23238
enforcer
Yes, I saw the syllabus now, ok np man, just keep on working on solo, I'll prepare something biggrin.gif

Ok, I checked the syllabus out man, well first weeks example is very easy,

Beginner Strumming and Arpeggios

I watched your MTP Beginner application movie, and after seeing how you played intro riff of Burning Times, I am sure this wont be a problem for you smile.gif Maybe up strokes and upwards played arpeggios may be confusing in a first glance, but I am sure you can do it. Maybe tonight if it isnt overwhelming?

Muris' exercices are generally good structured and to the point. Low bpm backings will help you to memmorize the exercise and then you can gradually increase the speed to the point you play really clean and fast. Try to take a video of it so that I can make some critics biggrin.gif

Cheers
Can
enforcer
Jeremy, one last word about the sanitorium solo's hard parts, learn the lick, then lower the tempo in gp file, then play it on time and correctly. Then after you get really familiar with that speed, increase the speed. That is the golden rule. And that is all man biggrin.gif
jer
I checked out the 1st lesson. Beginner Strumming and Arpeggios

Yeah, I'll be able to knock that one out pretty quick. I'll shoot for getting it done tonight and also starting on the 1st solo in Sanitarium.
Jesse
... No use in German Schlagers...



Sorry for interupting!
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 04:25 PM) *
I checked out the 1st lesson. Beginner Strumming and Arpeggios

Yeah, I'll be able to knock that one out pretty quick. I'll shoot for getting it done tonight and also starting on the 1st solo in Sanitarium.



Great man biggrin.gif
jer
Some questions for you too if ya don't mind.

Do you play professionally? In a band? Got a link to some music you have done?

What are the last 3 cds you listened to?

Whats the last concert you saw?

What do you hope to get out of this?
opeth.db
QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 09:07 AM) *
Jeremy, one last word about the sanitorium solo's hard parts, learn the lick, then lower the tempo in gp file, then play it on time and correctly. Then after you get really familiar with that speed, increase the speed. That is the golden rule. And that is all man biggrin.gif


Sorry for interrupting here.

Not sure if you know Can but in GP you can select an area you want to learn or have trouble with, hit F9 to open up the "speed trainer" part of GP. You can set it at a specific tempo and each run through the highlighted area it will increase by whatever BPM you set it at.

Great feature! Its been extremely helpful for me Especially with Jose's Shredding exercise. tongue.gif



Dan

enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 04:45 PM) *
Some questions for you too if ya don't mind.

Do you play professionally? In a band? Got a link to some music you have done?

What are the last 3 cds you listened to?

Whats the last concert you saw?

What do you hope to get out of this?


Yeah man, I play in a professional band called Pijama in Turkey, we did mostly covers for 4 years, and I just finished guitar parts record of our first album, but unfortunately that bands style is pop-rock, so its not actually the music I like...Well I need money to eat biggrin.gif We have same fan taken videos on youtube but these are actually low quality videos that I am not proud of.

Last 3 cds I listened to are : Pain of Salvation - Scarsick, Therion-Vovin and Ayreon-010010101

I am a real fan of Progressive/Power Rock/Metal, my favorite bands are Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Pain of Salvation, Dream Theater, Therion, Blind Guardian, Tool, The Perfect Circle etc.

The last real big concert I saw was in last summer, Metallica and before that Judas Priest. That were stadium concerts. If your talking about small concerts etc, the last one was some tribute band for Bon Jovi. It was two weeks ago biggrin.gif Also last summer, I saw Whitesnake, Def Leppard, Joelynn Turner too.

Well, I seriously want to help GMC society with this, because this society is the thing I searched all my life since I started to play guitar, I am self tought, I needed guidance and I had none, but since I joined GMC I improved so vastly that I feel a need to return that favor to GMC.

Other than that, I really want we both have fun, play some songs together, and improve your playing skills while improving my teaching skills...

I think thats all man, be assured I am not here just for a competition to be tough by Muris, I am here to help you biggrin.gif

Can

QUOTE (opeth.db @ Jan 8 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Sorry for interrupting here.

Not sure if you know Can but in GP you can select an area you want to learn or have trouble with, hit F9 to open up the "speed trainer" part of GP. You can set it at a specific tempo and each run through the highlighted area it will increase by whatever BPM you set it at.

Great feature! Its been extremely helpful for me Especially with Jose's Shredding exercise. tongue.gif



Dan



Thank you Dan, I didnt know that feature man biggrin.gif
jer
Cool.

Priest. I saw them on the Nostradamus tour as well. I actually have photos I took on KK Downings website. From the May show in St Paul MN USA.

I got to see Iced Earth 2x last year. The reunion show with Matt Barlow was the first. Then at ProgPower USA IX. AWESOME!!!!! I love IE.

Pain of Salvation. I havent heard of them. I'll check it out!

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be assured I am not here just for a competition to be tough by Muris, I am here to help you
No worries here. Teaching others is usually very useful to the teacher as well. I'm sure you'll get some good stuff out of it too. And if you do get to get some one on one time with Muris, all the better!!!
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:20 PM) *
Cool.

Priest. I saw them on the Nostradamus tour as well. I actually have photos I took on KK Downings website. From the May show in St Paul MN USA.

I got to see Iced Earth 2x last year. The reunion show with Matt Barlow was the first. Then at ProgPower USA IX. AWESOME!!!!! I love IE.

Pain of Salvation. I havent heard of them. I'll check it out!

No worries here. Teaching others is usually very useful to the teacher as well. I'm sure you'll get some good stuff out of it too. And if you do get to get some one on one time with Muris, all the better!!!

Thats great man biggrin.gif

And also can you believe the relation between JP and IE and Tim Owens? Two times he replaced a great vocalist and two times he got kicked because these vocalists' return. I really feel sorry for him man biggrin.gif Plus I really think that he did a great job on Something Wicked part 1 (though I didnt like his vocals on Glorious Burden) biggrin.gif


jer
And now he is singing for Malmsteen. Yeah, that'll last..... smile.gif

He has a solo album coming out soon. As well as his band Beyond Fear. Hopefully those will do well for him and he can leave the other stuff behind. He is an AMAZING vocalist. I've chatted with him some via email. Pretty down to earth guy. What a story him joining Priest. Tough to top that one.

I LOVED the Something Wicked Pt 1 album. Far better than Pt 2 in my opinion. I twas interesting seeing Barlow do "Ten Thousand Strong". He struggles a bit with parts of it. Owens can nail it in his sleep. Unreal...

I liked Owens on The Glorious Burden. There were some weak songs but I thought the vocals were all good. Declaration Day is an amazing song. And the Gettysburg Trilogy is amazing. I saw that tour too. They did the whole Gettysburg thing live. John in gray, their other guitarist at the time in blue. North and south flags painted on their guitars. (USA Cival War history stuff, dunno how familiar you are with that) Pretty cool.



QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 09:27 AM) *
Thats great man biggrin.gif

And also can you believe the relation between JP and IE and Tim Owens? Two times he replaced a great vocalist and two times he got kicked because these vocalists' return. I really feel sorry for him man biggrin.gif Plus I really think that he did a great job on Something Wicked part 1 (though I didnt like his vocals on Glorious Burden) biggrin.gif

enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 8 2009, 05:58 PM) *
And now he is singing for Malmsteen. Yeah, that'll last..... smile.gif

He has a solo album coming out soon. As well as his band Beyond Fear. Hopefully those will do well for him and he can leave the other stuff behind. He is an AMAZING vocalist. I've chatted with him some via email. Pretty down to earth guy. What a story him joining Priest. Tough to top that one.

I LOVED the Something Wicked Pt 1 album. Far better than Pt 2 in my opinion. I twas interesting seeing Barlow do "Ten Thousand Strong". He struggles a bit with parts of it. Owens can nail it in his sleep. Unreal...

I liked Owens on The Glorious Burden. There were some weak songs but I thought the vocals were all good. Declaration Day is an amazing song. And the Gettysburg Trilogy is amazing. I saw that tour too. They did the whole Gettysburg thing live. John in gray, their other guitarist at the time in blue. North and south flags painted on their guitars. (USA Cival War history stuff, dunno how familiar you are with that) Pretty cool.



Thats cool man, I didnt know he was singing for malmsteen now biggrin.gif

Ok man, by the way it is 11.00 am there isnt it? laugh.gif
jer
Yeah, whats tomorrow like?

My fave Malmsteen tune. With Tim at the mic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyN4nblqqrk...feature=related





QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 10:24 AM) *
Thats cool man, I didnt know he was singing for malmsteen now biggrin.gif

Ok man, by the way it is 11.00 am there isnt it? laugh.gif

enforcer
He is great man, he has his rightful place now biggrin.gif

Ok, we will have a deep weekly plan as soon as you post videos, so it is very important that you send me that Sanitorium part 1 as soon as possible as that way I can prepare our own schedule. Man, I am sure I can write some exercises based on your favorite bands' (Judas, or Iced Earth for example) solos and rhythme licks. That will be fun biggrin.gif
jer
Yep. Sure will.

Your prime time is my work time. Unfortunately I am employed.... smile.gif

I'd love to blow outta here and head home!!!
enforcer
he he, everybody needs to eat biggrin.gif take your time mate biggrin.gif
enforcer
Jer I am still awake, so if you have a question about anything, drop a line. By the way its 04.10 am here biggrin.gif
jer
QUOTE (enforcer @ Jan 8 2009, 07:38 PM) *
Jer I am still awake, so if you have a question about anything, drop a line. By the way its 04.10 am here biggrin.gif



Dang man!!!! Get some sleep!!!

Just finished the first video. It hangs after the exercise is over but hang in there for a bit, I added more to it. Not sure why movie maker did that. My next round of videos will be higher quality. I deleted the project before watching it. Sorry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIzcUnBx6s...re=channel_page

Sanitarium - Part 1. This is as far as I got tonight... More after the weekend out of town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWQqZ8wNxQ...re=channel_page

I'm working a half day tomorrow. 7:30 - 11:30 my time so I'm looking forward to reading some feedback.

Have a good one Can!!
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 9 2009, 05:03 AM) *
Dang man!!!! Get some sleep!!!

Just finished the first video. It hangs after the exercise is over but hang in there for a bit, I added more to it. Not sure why movie maker did that. My next round of videos will be higher quality. I deleted the project before watching it. Sorry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIzcUnBx6s...re=channel_page

Sanitarium - Part 1. This is as far as I got tonight... More after the weekend out of town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWQqZ8wNxQ...re=channel_page

I'm working a half day tomorrow. 7:30 - 11:30 my time so I'm looking forward to reading some feedback.

Have a good one Can!!


Yeah man, thats great, I am listening to them right away. As you can see I am awake, that may be the enthousiasm of our first day biggrin.gif
jer
Damn Can. You gonna sleep at all today?

Do you work?
enforcer
Yeah I saw video clips Jeremy, and some problems were obvious now, but know what, these are the exactly same problems I had, and gladly I know how to overcome them! With some hardwork and guidance we will overcome that, and I am sure you'll do great in no time. Well to be honest, I really believe you can achieve greater things because you have the all the things you need as a person, over all the other things you have the will. The explanation that you made after the exercise is over was great, and your little tour of your room was really cute and right. Now I know your training environement and that's great. Tomorrow I'll prepare a problem oriented work schedule. Rest assured it will include mostly enjoyable exercises.

p.s: You got some nice equipment there my friend, and even nicer posters biggrin.gif I decided to remove all my posters because they started to fall off the walls and now I can see it was a bad idea after all...

Have a nice out of town visit man, when you return we'll do great things together laugh.gif

Can



QUOTE (jer @ Jan 9 2009, 05:51 AM) *
Damn Can. You gonna sleep at all today?

Do you work?


No man 7 hours of sleep will be fine for me, and we got 6 hours of show in a week, and I gain enough to live all the week biggrin.gif On saturdays I teach at a local music school, so I dont need to wake up early on week days. Maybe it will be adequate if I change my awake hours to fit your timezone tongue.gif biggrin.gif
jer
Cool. Looking forward to it!!!

jer
Oh, and if you need more examples of mistakes and work areas see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wshg0CbrpJc...feature=channel

My first take at the GMC - Judas Priest Lesson - by Gabriel Leopardi

It all falls apart at the end. That was my first run through it. Filmed anyway. I had been working on it for 20 min or so....
enforcer
Hey Jer, I am finally awake, It must be 12.00 am there, so you are about to get out from work and get home. Well I got the program for Week 1 here, I got both very enjoyable and boring exercises here, but I am sure you wont have any difficulties as long as you give some time working these.

I watched Sanitorium, Open Chords and Judas Priest Style lesson videos of yours and maybe you wont believe me but the problem lies on your right hand. And I call this metal rhythme guitarist syndrome (you can laugh at me biggrin.gif )

The reason of this problem is very simple: You play metal rhythme guitar for so long that you are not used to play other things. You can see it in your Judas Style solo, your picking technique and fingerings on last 3 strings are so good than what you play on 3 high strings, that takes you "playing balance" away. Check your solo picking in Sanitorium, that look really a little random. Sometimes you pick upwards mostly downwards, that is the legacy of hard riffs played mostly by downward picking. You need something to connect these two and build a solid Alternate Picking technique. Fortunately that is easy...

Now we need a song to connect this solo playing and rhythme playing. Well I believe I found this song. I am sure you'll like a lot:



This is Losfer Words from Iron Maiden, 3rd song of Powerslave album. All I want while playing this keep an eye on your right hand posture, and Alternate Pick at all times even on the solo parts. This is very important. Start with the gpro file I posted, it is already a little slower than the original one, but I recommend you to start even slower. The aim here is to improve your a.p technique while having fun, but dont allow the fun surpass the technical side of the practice! Awareness is the key here, try to be aware of every note you play here.

Check out these images:





Here you can see how I am used to hold the pick. I keep the tip as small as possible, I keep it close the strings. This reduces the movement I have to do to move the pick up and down, therefore it takes less time and easier. And also my index finger doesnt support the pick on the joint but on the finger tip. This greatly improves precision. I play always using my whirst but you dont have a problem on that spot as I saw in your videos.

This was the fun part, the other focus of this week is finger independence. There are some great finger independence exercise here on site but my favorite one is the series by Danilo Capezzuto starting with this Finger independence 1 by Danilo the good thing about this is this series cover pretty much every available finger moving combination through F.I 1 to 5. The only critic I have about this series it the picking style Danilo uses, I recommend you to use alternate picking at all times. Practice slow and correct, remember slow and correct becomes fast and correct while fast and sloppy remains fast and sloppy. I wont lie to you these kind of exercises are not fun, but you can use them anytime even before you play guitar to warm up your left hand before some demanding training sessions. And finally you can check out my S.I lessons for string skipping and picking cross strings here:

My String Skipping Exercise

And one final word about left hand posture, you should keep your fingers always like this

but not like this



Some physical aspect of guitar playing:
What we do here doesnt have any relation with your muscles buddy. These exercises mostly target your brain's motor nerve areas, we try to teach your brain what its capable of. Try to move your fingers really fast for example, you'll see they can move really fast, but why cant you play that fast while playing guitar? Thats because your brain hasnt yet formed the necessary synapses (brain cell connections) So you have to concentrate, always be aware of what you are playing. We play slow to grant us time to think, how to pick correctly, which note to fret next, how to keep up with tempo. When your brain connects the dots, these will be almost by instinct.

Well that covers everything I guess for now, so our weekly plan consists of:

Week 1:

Fun Stuff:
-Metallica Sanitorium Solo 1 and 2,
I think they are good solos to build some feeling and vibrato some bends etc. And because this was my first solo too.

-Iron Maiden-Losfer Words
Great A.P Exercise. And some legatos, good timing overall I think its a great passage from Metal Rhythme Guitar to more solo oriented riffs.

Serious Stuff:

-String Skipping Exercises, I recommend my SI Lesson.
My String Skipping Exercise

-Finger independence exercises.
Finger independence 1 by Danilo

-And finally the open chords exercise, as advised by our MTP Syllabus.
(try to work correctly on 50bpm version of this, try to memmorize CAGED positions...

Losfer Words GPro file:

edit: some arrangement and typo corrected biggrin.gif
enforcer
Man, I know you are out of town, I dont know when you're getting home, so don't forget to drop me a line when you comeback biggrin.gif
jer
Hey Can!!!!!

I'm back.

Do me a favor will ya?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of stuff to work on. If I was going to play for an hour (after warmup) what amount of time should I spend on each thing? Break it down a bit if you would.

Thanks!!!!!

I'm gonna do some more with the Arpeggio/Strumming thing tonight. Maybe more. Still have some unpacking to do.

enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 02:53 AM) *
Hey Can!!!!!

I'm back.

Do me a favor will ya?

I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of stuff to work on. If I was going to play for an hour (after warmup) what amount of time should I spend on each thing? Break it down a bit if you would.

Thanks!!!!!

I'm gonna do some more with the Arpeggio/Strumming thing tonight. Maybe more. Still have some unpacking to do.


Ok man, I surely dont want to overwhelm you with lots of exercises,

well lets create a 10 days of training period ok? We'll break down the work we have into small chunks... As I mentioned before Finger Independence exercises has 5 parts at total, so we will try to nail 1 video in two days. Speed is not a very definitive measure here, I dont want you to play them at unreal speeds, you just try to be comfortable with them.

For Losfer words, we will take the solo out (there is only one solo in it you'll notice with uncomfortable speedy parts), and concentrate on other parts. You can make your schedule for yourself on that one, just try to play it a least in gpro speed without the solo.

String skipping exercise may be used as a warmup and that will get faster with more time, all I want you to do is just memmorizing the whole part as soon as possible, and being able to play it at constant speed without getting need to drop or increase the speed...

Sanitorium solo will be a basis for our feeling lessons, so we will keep on working on it, just a 10 mins a day, and we may be able to nail the first clean backing solo (before the verse) at the end of this 10 day period.

For the Arpeggio/Strumming exercise, I advise you to break the exercise in two parts 1-Strumming 2-Arpeggio,
First try to be comfortable with these chord fingerings that you are not used to, play them by strumming, try to keep with the tempo. (that shall not exceed 4 days of work) After that you'll get to the Arpeggio phase you'll see that playing arpeggios are hard at the first arpeggio, when you nail that right left hand syncro, they are all more or less the same thing, and with you used to fingering of the chords, they are to master pretty quick. (that work should not exceed 5 days) After that spend your last day to connect the two phases...

I take you practice 1 hour per day, so your exercise timeline can be like this:

Finger independence around 15 mins, Losfer Words about 10 minutes, String Skipping 5-10 minutes, Sanitorium 1st solo 10 mins, Arpeggio Strumming 10 mins a day, if you have free time, try to play anything you like, just be mindfull of technique use and working discipline, keep your left and right hand postures right, try to work with metronome as long as its possible.

I am sure you can nail all this in upcoming 10 days... Yeah we will be a little late to our syllabus, but a slow but sturdy start is better than a fast, overwhelming, sloppy one...

Keep up working man,

Cheers laugh.gif

Can

jer
I had done this before reading the previous post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOwN7jlxQY
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 03:41 AM) *
I had done this before reading the previous post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsOwN7jlxQY


Buddy, this is getting pretty well, I see you corrected a lot. You still got some issues on upstrokes, and I believe that is due to lack of precision because you are moving your arm when performing upstrokes... Notice how you downstroke the strings... They are much more precise and correct because you are depending on you whirst movement. Now check the upstrokes, you use your arm way more than you use in your downstrokes. Its ok a little use of the whole arm while strumming but when you have to pick the correct string amongs 6 other strings precision cannot be sacrificed. Try to keep your whirst on a fixed spot as if you are about to start a bunch of palm mute runs. And at that fixed position try to move only your whirst. Even when you are a little used to it, you'll notice a great progress.

I used my arm for about three years when I started playing guitar, and I know how its hard to quit an "addiction" like this... But sooner is better biggrin.gif But dont think all that was in vain, there are uses of everything in guitar (a gift or a curse? laugh.gif ) Like Bruce Lee once said, "Be like water" try to adapt to anything, but here in this case while playing arpeggios usage of whirst is the better choice.

Man, I see you improved in this quite well in just two days (to be accurate, that is 2 hours!) keep up the good work!!!

jer
Here is my first run thru the finger independence exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEst24uBOxE

Question: How do I get GP to play back slower? I am changing the tempo but its playing back at full speed each time....

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QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 04:08 AM) *
Here is my first run thru the finger independence exercise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEst24uBOxE

Question: How do I get GP to play back slower? I am changing the tempo but its playing back at full speed each time....


Thats ok I guess, but there is a mistake there, all your fingers must be on the fretboard at all times, at some points you lift your middle finger. You should keep it down on the fret. And one last thing, that is the ultimate correct wrist movement! You got it totally correct! Very good job man!

About your question, I downloaded and installed gp now, I opened a random document, now when I click the tempo button a popup appears on the screen and when I lower the tempo it gets slower. That was how you have done that?

An alternative way is to select the bars you wish to work on, hit F9, there appears the speed trainer, there you can choose % of the deceleration, and even the acceleration rate...

hope this covers all biggrin.gif

Still amazed with your work on your right hand man,

Cheers smile.gif
jer
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About your question, I downloaded and installed gp now, I opened a random document, now when I click the tempo button a popup appears on the screen and when I lower the tempo it gets slower. That was how you have done that?


Yeah, I did that and the number changed, but when I hit play it always plays full speed.....
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QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 04:41 AM) *
Yeah, I did that and the number changed, but when I hit play it always plays full speed.....

Curious but it does the same thing in Losfer Words in my machine too, but I just figured out some other way. Click the multiplier button next to tempo button... It works this way...

Man, I gotta go to sleep its 5.30 am here I'll be able to sleep for 1.5 hours hopefully then I will wake up I promised I'll help a friend at work, if you have questions I will get them answered in a few hours ok?
jer
dammit... I cant figure out why this is out of sync.... I tried it at lots of resuloutions. Man, this is irritating.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qwyt9w7lg

multiplier... Got it!

Here comes another at a lower speed.

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Thats ok I guess, but there is a mistake there, all your fingers must be on the fretboard at all times, at some points you lift your middle finger. You should keep it down on the fret.
Not sure what to do here. I'll look at this again.



enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 05:04 AM) *
Not sure what to do here. I'll look at this again.


Now on this, you have to fret with all your fingers with each finger at the appopriate frets, and while moving one, you have to keep the others in their place still pushing the frets. After the moving one is on its place, you'll move other one. One finger in the air at a given time... On the video, when you are on lower strings sometimes your middle finger leaves its appopriate fret when you should keep it there biggrin.gif that was all laugh.gif
jer
OK. Gotcha.

Here is a slower Losfer - Part 1 anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jEGMriqtk

I need to figure out why these arent syncing......
enforcer
Buddy I am going to bed, take care. And that time zone issue will kill me one day. You are practically on the other side of the globe !!! laugh.gif
jer
No prob man. I dont expect you to be here during my prime hours.

You can comment during your daylight hours and I'll have them for my next practice session.

jer
Let me know what you think of the Losfer Words stuff so far. Did you want me to do the solo on that? Or just rhythm?

Also, do I need to post videos every day? If not, how often do you want to see/hear how I'm doing?

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Losfer Words video is great man, just you hook up your thumb over the fretboard unnecessarily, try to anchor your thumb behind the fretboard, this improves your finger reach greately. Hooking your thumb has its advantages too, when playing lots of bends and vibrato, this posture gives you power but here we dont need it, it becomes more of a disadventage than an adventage.

On that song our real target is to play all the leads and rhythm tracks, but I suggest you to play solo parts too especially parts that you can play when you are working slower. I seriously think that you can play half of the solo because its not very fast.

About videos, I dont know how long it takes you to shoot a clip, if its less than few minutes, I want you to take a compilation movie in daily basis in the end of every training hour to show your progress in every fronts. That way, if you make a mistake while training and I see it in the video, all you would loose is only 10 mins of training.

Overall you are doing great man, you apply immediately my suggestions and that is perfect. A little addendum, you told me you were ok in music theory, for the next time I suggest you to make a list of your strong and weak points, so that I can try to help you on that subject too. You can find a list of topics on Andrew's Theory Lesson board. As these are theoretical subjects, you can check them out in your freetime at work, or anywhere you have time.

Keep up the great work Man! laugh.gif

Cheers!
jer
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About videos, I dont know how long it takes you to shoot a clip, if its less than few minutes, I want you to take a compilation movie in daily basis in the end of every training hour to show your progress in every fronts. That way, if you make a mistake while training and I see it in the video, all you would loose is only 10 mins of training.


So after practicing the different things, take a video that has all of them in it? Running through the finger independence exercise once, then Losfer Words, Then Sanitarium, etc?
enforcer
QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:03 PM) *
So after practicing the different things, take a video that has all of them in it? Running through the finger independence exercise once, then Losfer Words, Then Sanitarium, etc?


Yeah man, it doesnt have to be all in one take, but multiple scenes in one video file biggrin.gif And you can include a speaking part like you did when you had some problems on your first try on strumming arpeggio exercise, trying to explain where you think you had problems etc. Its not a obligation, but you may do it.. biggrin.gif
jer
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Finger Independence exercises has 5 parts at total, so we will try to nail 1 video in two days.


Not sure what you mean here.

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for the next time I suggest you to make a list of your strong and weak points, so that I can try to help you on that subject too. You can find a list of topics on Andrew's Theory Lesson board. As these are theoretical subjects, you can check them out in your freetime at work, or anywhere you have time.



I understand how scales are constructed. Chords. Harmonizing the scales. The concept behind Modes, etc. But I struggle in applying them.

Meaning I could give you the notes of any major/minor scale & all the modes of it, but I’d have to sit down and work it out on paper.

Same with the circle of fifths. I understand it but I cant use it in my head. I need to work it out on paper.

The reasoning is simple. I have read about this stuff but never really had to USE it in playing.

Does that make sense?
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QUOTE (jer @ Jan 12 2009, 08:15 PM) *
Not sure what you mean here.




I understand how scales are constructed. Chords. Harmonizing the scales. The concept behind Modes, etc. But I struggle in applying them.

Meaning I could give you the notes of any major/minor scale & all the modes of it, but I’d have to sit down and work it out on paper.

Same with the circle of fifths. I understand it but I cant use it in my head. I need to work it out on paper.

The reasoning is simple. I have read about this stuff but never really had to USE it in playing.

Does that make sense?


It makes perfect sense buddy, you never needed to apply your theory knowledge on your playing. Well we'll see what we can do about that.

What I wanted to say about finger independence exercises, you should try to play flawlessly these exercises and for one video, you mustn't exceed two days of training, after two days of work on Finger Independence I for example, you should play it flawlessly and comfortably, for after that period I will ask you to add it to your warmup list.
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