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wrk
Hi OrganizedConfusion

I think we don't have to present each other in detail as we both stick around here since a while. You can call me Andy or wrk, as you like. Maybe you have seen my introduction video (HERE) otherwise feel free to ask.

Introduction

It could be helpful if you can write me down a few lines what you want to focus on. Maybe a list of lessons you have worked on or want to work on in the future, so that i know which sound and style you like. I think based on your uploads and collab entries i have already an idea in which direct your taste goes, but maybe you give me a few hints for future sessions.

The first session is a proposal and is base on an structure i have in mind and practice myself. Let me know what you think and we can adjust this to your liking. We may have to integrate the sylabus list which will come soon, but up to there we can already try some things out.
As a general structure, i was thinking it could be useful to split each session in two parts. A Lesson Part, which will cover basic solo and rhythm topics and an Exercise Part to concentrate on some workouts.

  • Part 1 : Lessons (solo/rhythm)
    We will work together on some GMC lessons which will cover different topics and technics. I would suggest we choose lessons with the focus to gain good control of timing, dynamic, bends and vibrato. I will propose in each session a new lessons, but i would like to continue to work on previous lessons over time if you are up to this. A first step is often to get the notes down, but the real work and fun part start after when it comes to optimize timing and add some dynamics. At any point let me know if you have some other lesson ideas. Nothing is more demotivating as to work on something you don't like.
  • Part 2: Exercises (workouts)
    Some basic left and right hand exercises/workouts. Workouts are often considered as boring, but it is extremely rewarding and you will quickly see some progress. I will keep these exercises small, so you will not need a lot of time to get familiar with them. These exercises we will continue and modify from each session to another. The idea is to build some kind of practice library of different exercises which you could use as warm-ups or to optimize and push further your technic. I try to build this exercises out of existing GMC lessons, but maybe modify or simplify them a bit. Something like a preparation lesson before to attack the real one smile.gif.


The first session will come direct after.
OrganisedConfusion
Hey man. Just on way to work on phone. You seem to have a very good plan. I will give you a list of lessons i have done so far on here. Basically so you have an idea my fav genres are jazz, metal and country with a bit of blues thrown. I want to get better at alternate picking, theory and jazz theory and finger picking. I would love to be able to play dire straits songs like sultans of swing. I will be on here a bit less than usual on a thursday because i have band practice for 5 hours but basically i have at least 3 hours a day every other day to practice. smile.gif so about 18 hours a week. Maybe up to 20. Talk soon mate.

Also im paul or oc. Whatever you fancy lol. Just so you dont need to type organisedConfusion all the time biggrin.gif
wrk
Ok Paul, great .. let's fill those 18-20 hours smile.gif. Have fun in band practice today...



SESSION #1

1 LESSON - Main Part

For today i have chosen Muris's - Phrygian Soloing (Beginner) lesson.

Phrygian sounds scary, but this is not our main focus this time. I think it is a nice sounding solo from Muris. Not too many difficult parts in there. This lesson have a lot of space to concentrate on basics and still play a nice peace of music. Difficulties are in good balance in this lesson.

Bar 1 - 8 : A lot of long notes in the first part, but timing can be tricky.
Bar 9 - 13 : Timing is easier in the second part, but a few more notes to play.

During the complete solo, the bends can be quite a challenge. Verify the pitch of your bends by fretting the notes you want to reach.
Vibrato can add a lot of "life" to this solo, but concentrate first on the points - notes, timing and bends. After make the awesome guitars you have "sing" and add dynamics to the solo. Let me know if you have any difficulties somewhere or if you need some further help.


I recorded a video of this solo to get familiar with this lesson myself. Maybe it's useful as a second reference beside Muris's video. There is a lot to learn on this one for me too as my bends and mostly vibrato needs some serious practice time.





2 EXERCISES - additional part

I will try to prepare from time to time some short videos to make things a bit clearer. I did this for this first session as a kick of. Let me know if this helps you.
I used a drum loop in these videos, it's more fun with drums, but try with a metronome first to evaluate which speed area you will start with and let me know. I will upload then these loops as mp3 files with different steps.

DRUMS 60-80 bpm : Click to view attachment
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Legato Exercises (hammer-on/pull-off)



I have developed this exercise to concentration on the left hand only. No picking at all, only hammer-ons and pull-offs with all four fingers.
This exercise is about strengthen each finger and accurate finger placement and timing. The idea is similar to Ian Bushell's "Legato Stamina" lessons, but much more simplified. It's not about speed, it's about accuracy!

I use a dampener in this exercise, something to really mute the strings. We use legato technics with all four finger (including index) and don't have our right hand available to mute the strings. Muting is not the goal here and a dampener is helpful to keep string noise under control. It's an exercise and you want to have your mind free of everything else and only want to focus on to place these four fingers at the right time on the right spot smile.gif

You need a bit of attack in each finger, but attack does not mean you have to hammer each note like crazy smile.gif, it should feel more like a reflex. A bit like you give you finger an initial impulse and after the finger is falling down. If this makes any sense (?). I have includes 2 shapes here to use all four fingers. I suggest you to practice each shape on it's own and after concentrate on the transitions between them.

Click to view attachment

Goal:
  • to strengthen your fingers
  • be really accurate with each note (equal to each other)
  • keep constant rhythm (most important)

Next : This exercise is by now over two strings, but we will expand it later to 3, 4 or more strings (a good preparation for longer arpeggios).

Warning !!! : Take it easy first. As soon you feel tensed or some sort of pain, take a break immediately !

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Alternate Picking



Alternate picking is of course one of the main technics, so i think it is useful to spend quite some time of your practice time to focus on this technic.
For this exercise, i have simplified Muris's "C Minor Picking Etude", with the focus on the right hand only. Don't worry, the goal is NOT to play this exercise at 160bpm. The goal is steady up and down picking and switching from one string to another.

Click to view attachment

Goal:
  • keeping each stroke really steady, even when you change to the next string
  • to learn the switch between 4 picks and 3 picks per note
  • up- and down strokes all the time

Keep in mind, you want to focus on the right hand, so the left hand should not need any effort. Get familiar with the shape first and choose a speed which is way below your limit. Really feel each stroke and gradually increase speed if you want. Important is control, not speed! Observe your right hand and try to be as relaxed as possible. I suggest you to experiment with different picking angles or attack you use to pick the strings, before increasing speed.

Note : All notes are 16th notes. 3 picks per note does not mean you pay 3 notes per beat (16th triplets), but the direction of you pick will change (up-/downstrokes).

Next : In the next session i will give you the second simplified shape from muris lesson which involve to skip one string. From there on you have everything you need to continue. I will give you as well the complete GP file in this simplified version, but i would like you to concentrate on each shape and look for details and not to rush to get down as much shapes possible.



Deadlines mad.gif :

This is a lot of information at the beginning, take it easy.
If we could find a weekly rhythm of the Lesson Part would be great, but i don't want to give you some fixed dates. Upload your take when you feel you want to show something, maybe it's a preview or you nailed it perfectly, everything is ok.
Concerning the Exercise Part, i'm more interested in your feedback and experiences as in weekly takes, but to see a video sometimes could be helpful and maybe a motivation for you to practice them wink.gif


Now i wish you good luck and most important have fun !!

Andy
OrganisedConfusion
WOW. Awesome work. That sounds like a great plan for me to work to. I will download the gp5 tabs when I get home from work and I love that Phrygian Solo but I have never tried to tackle it. I did his Lydian lesson I believe. Also his Odd Grooves lesson. Carlos Melodic Solo in G I think it was. I also have done David Wallimanns Slow Pentatonic lesson and Gabriel's John Frusciante Solo 1. I think those are all the ones I have tackled so far sad.gif I wish I had done more. I will start practicing that Phrygian Solo tonight after band practice and tomorrow and should be able to post a take Friday Night/Saturday Morning. I will also get those exercises in as my warm up before tackling the lesson smile.gif

To sum up where I'd love to be. I want to be able to play all these songs.

Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing, Romeo and Juliet, Walk of Life and Money For Nothing
Death - Pull The Plug, Symbolic and their version of Painkiller by Judas Priest
Townes Van Zandt - Waitin' Round To Die
Necrophagist - Stabwound
Mahavishnu Orchestra - All of Inner Mounting Flame.

I'd be a very happy person when I could play all of those and that is how far I want to go as a guitarist. I'm not a shredaholic lol biggrin.gif Although playing like Jason Becker would be nice smile.gif

I wish I could get cracking straight after work but I'm practicing with band 5-10 and then will be home for 10.30 to have about 2 hours on it at least smile.gif

Also don't think you have to constantly update all the time as I am quite fast with practicing and love to do it so I might post responses very quickly. Don't feel you have to come back with new things within hours of me posting lol. I know it takes a long time for you to sort out the lessons and video recording.
OrganisedConfusion
I just looked at the Beginner Syllabus and I we can stick to that as well as doing this. I will post the progress of week 1 of the MTP Syllabus by a week today (Thursday 15th January). If that is alright by you?
wrk
Yes, the Syllabus just arrived (as a guideline). The areas are quite similar to what i have had in mind. Just the order is a bit different.

Timing : timing will be important for me over all 4 weeks, so try to be careful with this and take your time.
Rhythm : is for sure coming in the next sessions
Workouts : the same, i think it is better to use the complete period to integrate workouts instead to use one week (Week 4) centered on this. Regularly a few minutes instead a few hours in one go.
Solo : a solo needs time in my opinion as it involves a few basic technics. So i still think it's good to start with it as you are not a complete beginner, but it could be great if you can upload a few takes over time and we can discuss the progress and push this each time a bit further.

Do you agree?

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 8 2009, 02:10 PM) *
I just looked at the Beginner Syllabus and I we can stick to that as well as doing this. I will post the progress of week 1 of the MTP Syllabus by a week today (Thursday 15th January). If that is alright by you?


Hm, this might be too much, i would prefer to concentrate on details as to do a lot of lessons during one month, but if you are up for more, we can easily integrate more. I will help and try to give support where i can .. smile.gif





OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 8 2009, 01:36 PM) *
Yes, the Syllabus just arrived (as a guideline). The areas are quite similar to what i have had in mind. Just the order is a bit different.

Timing : timing will be important for me over all 4 weeks, so try to be careful with this and take your time.
Rhythm : is for sure coming in the next sessions
Workouts : the same, i think it is better to use the complete period to integrate workouts instead to use one week (Week 4) centered on this. Regularly a few minutes instead a few hours in one go.
Solo : a solo needs time in my opinion as it involves a few basic technics. So i still think it's good to start with it as you are not a complete beginner, but it could be great if you can upload a few takes over time and we can discuss the progress and push this each time a bit further.

Do you agree?



Hm, this might be too much, i would prefer to concentrate on details as to do a lot of lessons during one month, but if you are up for more, we can easily integrate more. I will help and try to give support where i can .. smile.gif

I think your ideas sound fine. I think they mainly want to focus on the 4 areas that you mentioned. So I will follow this through how you envision it. So I will focus on the lessons you mentioned in your first plan. I may post the beginner mentor syllabus stuff though as it is pretty straight forward for me I think. I learnt Smoke On The Water about 3 years ago biggrin.gif

So yeah we will go through it how you put it above rather than completely to the Syllabus and I will work on the Syllabus while I'm awaiting feedback just to make sure I'm fine with it all smile.gif
wrk
Great, sound like a good plan smile.gif

OrganisedConfusion
Just a quick update mate. The practicing of Phrygian lesson is going well so far. No really tricky parts to be honest but great fun. I hope to get a take up on video when I get home from work later smile.gif
wrk
Great OC .. thanks for the update!!

phrygian lesson:
If you are already on the level to have the notes down then concentrate on the bends. This can be tricky in this lesson. You have a lot of 1/2 or full bends here. Try to play them as clean and on pitch as possible. Verify the pitch by fretting the notes one or two frets higher.

workouts:
As said, let me know on which speed you will begin with and i will upload you the drum loops.

Have fun and take care ... smile.gif


OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 9 2009, 01:34 PM) *
Great OC .. thanks for the update!!

phrygian lesson:
If you are already on the level to have the notes down then concentrate on the bends. This can be tricky in this lesson. You have a lot of 1/2 or full bends here. Try to play them as clean and on pitch as possible. Verify the pitch by fretting the notes one or two frets higher.

workouts:
As said, let me know on which speed you will begin with and i will upload you the drum loops.

Have fun and take care ... smile.gif

I'm going to have a look at the workouts also tonight so I will let you know. Bends are what I struggle at so I'm going to try but I think some may be a bit off. I'm getting better at them but you'll see where I'm at I guess when I post later smile.gif
wrk
QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 9 2009, 02:36 PM) *
.... Bends are what I struggle at so I'm going to try but I think some may be a bit off. I'm getting better at them but you'll see where I'm at I guess when I post later smile.gif

I noticed that in your earlier uploads, so i have had this in mind by choosing this lesson. Try to record yourself as often you can to check the pitch.

Locking forward to your take .. smile.gif


OrganisedConfusion
Hey. Here is my disastrous take lol. I think it may be slightly out of sync. I recorded the take live with the backing on the video but had to put them together at the end so they seem weird.



As you can see I'm bad at ap and bends mostly followed by vibrato, tone and several other bad habits laugh.gif

Hope your ears are ok after tongue.gif
OrganisedConfusion
Also here is my take of the first week's lesson as I thought I'd do it whilst waiting for feedback. Again it might be a little out of sync annoyingly. I'm useless at matching them up after recording video. And sorry about the tuning on my guitar. It is playing up at the minute constantly going out when I play the strings. Driving me insane laugh.gif

wrk
Phrygian Lesson - Take #1

Damn OC, thats pretty good !! .. not disastrous at all. smile.gif
You got this down quite fast. If you are up to we can look at some details and try to work on this a bit more (?)
You will notice the solo will instantly sound much smoother if you apply some easy slide-ins. Marked in the GP file with small letters. Try this maybe on the following notes:

Slides
BAR 1 : slide from Bb to C (3-5)
BAR 1/2 : slide from F to G (6-8)
Bar 4 - legato from Db to C (6-5). you can use slide-down with index or a pull-off with ring to index, as you prefer
BAR 5 - slide from Bb to C (8-10) and from F to G (10-12)

Bend
Then there is this part with the bend. BAR 7 - bend from Eb to F (16full). The bend is off here, but you can easily fix that. The bend has to be played quite quickly which is tricky here. I suggest you following steps to approach this part:

- check the note on the 18 fret. This is the one you want to reach.
- once you have this note in your ears try to bend it from the 16 a full step.
- practice this a few times up to you feel you get this note easily
- after try to combine this bend with these 3 legato notes before and try to make "one movement" out of this.

BAR 9 - 13
You use already the right picking here which is great!
To optimize this, i only can suggest you to play each bar separated as a loop to really get these shapes in your hands and it will sound quickly much more fluid or "secure". The legato exercise i gave you is quite similar and can help you here at least for the first notes of each shape.
The Hi-Hat of the drums are really helpful for the timing, but you got this quite well already. Just listen to the Hi-Hat consciously and everything will move in place automatically laugh.gif


I really didn't expected that you will play this solo already on this level, so give this a bit polish and you will be surprise about the difference.
OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 9 2009, 07:35 PM) *
Phrygian Lesson:

Damn OC, thats pretty good !! .. not disastrous at all. smile.gif
You got this down quite fast. If you are up to we can look at some details and try to work on this a bit more (?)
You will notice the solo will instantly sound much smoother if you apply some easy slide-ins. Marked in the GP file with small letters. Try this maybe on the following notes:

Slides
BAR 1 : slide from Bb to C (3-5)
BAR 1/2 : slide from F to G (6-8)
Bar 4 - legato from Db to C (6-5). you can use slide-down with index or a pull-off with ring to index, as you prefer
BAR 5 - slide from Bb to C (8-10) and from F to G (10-12)

Bend
Then there is this part with the bend. BAR 7 - bend from Eb to F (16full). The bend is off here, but you can easily fix that. The bend has to be played quite quickly which is tricky here. I suggest you following steps to approach this part:

- check the note on the 18 fret. This is the one you want to reach.
- once you have this note in your ears try to bend it from the 16 a full step.
- practice this a few times up to you feel you get this note easily
- after try to combine this bend with these 3 legato notes before and try to make "one movement" out of this.

BAR 9 - 13
You use already the right picking here which is great!
To optimize this, i only can suggest you to play each bar separated as a loop to really get these shapes in your hands and it will sound quickly much more fluid or "secure". The legato exercise i gave you is quite similar and can help you here at least for the first notes of each shape.
The Hi-Hat of the drums are really helpful for the timing, but you got this quite well already. Just listen to the Hi-Hat consciously and everything will move in place automatically laugh.gif


I really didn't expected that you will play this solo already on this level, so give this a bit polish and you will be surprise about the difference.

I'm definitely up for working on this to improve it as I know I can. Firstly I will give my thoughts and problems if that is alright. I get you with grace notes mentioned above. I thought reading the tab that they were quick hammer ons but after watching the video I see they are grace note slides. So yes this will smooth that out a lot smile.gif The bends I really struggle with. I know what pitch I'm trying to get to but I can't seem to do them. I can tell you when they are off pitch but can't seem to get them on pitch.

Bar 9 to the end I wont lie is tricky to me. I can play it but it feels uncomfortable. It just feels like I'm doing something wrong. Something that doesn't affect me at slow tempos but you know when you know for sure that if you speed it up by 10 bpm say that your technique will be wrong for it and you'll have to change. Can you see from the video if something isn't right in that bit or is it just a case of practicing it over and over. I've only had an hour on this so far so I know I can improve greatly smile.gif

Thanks for the great feedback. I will try and post another take later tonight or tomorrow morning smile.gif
OrganisedConfusion
I think this is possibly worse lol. I practiced it for another hour or so smile.gif



I always seem to exceed my expectations lol. If only it wasn't going backwards tongue.gif laugh.gif

I have been practicing the legato technique also now a bit and I will add a video to that tomorrow smile.gif
wrk
I'm proud of you my friend !! You have practiced well today.
I listened to your 2nd take and already can see it is much better and you integrated the suggestions.
A detailed feedback of this take is coming after.

I will give a feedback about the other take (Strumming and Arpeggios lesson) as well, just have to get familiar with this one first laugh.gif

Did you use a metronome for the legato exercise? Which speed is comfortable for you ?



OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 9 2009, 10:00 PM) *
I'm proud of you my friend !! You have practiced well today.
I listened to your 2nd take and already can see it is much better and you integrated the suggestions.
A detailed feedback of this take is coming after.

I will give a feedback about the other take (Strumming and Arpeggios lesson) as well, just have to get familiar with this one first laugh.gif

Did you use a metronome for the legato exercise? Which speed is comfortable for you ?

I can do it at 80bpm as the tab is but it's difficult for me a little. I can easily do it on 75 and most the time on 80 but that is with 2 patterns connected together.
wrk
QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 9 2009, 11:04 PM) *
I can do it at 80bpm as the tab is but it's difficult for me a little. I can easily do it on 75 and most the time on 80 but that is with 2 patterns connected together.


Workouts
Ok, thanks!
I will prepare the drum loop and upload them. You will find them tomorrow on the top (session#1) starting with 60 bpm and up in steps of +3 bpm. It seems slow but i want you to be aware of each finger and the attack you use to have an equally sound. If you do that regularly for a few minutes it will become like a reflex. Important is to play each not equal and in timing!! The bass drum of the loop will help you here. It will help you later on a lot of things you will play. The same for the alt picking lesson. Keep it steady and controlled.


wrk
Phrygian Lesson - Take #2

Bar 1-8 :
Nice, you integrated the slides (bar 1 and 2), bend is on pitch in my ears and legato at the end (bar 4). Great!
Bar 7 : the legato and bend is great. I really like the release of the bend !!

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 9 2009, 08:59 PM) *
.... The bends I really struggle with. I know what pitch I'm trying to get to but I can't seem to do them. I can tell you when they are off pitch but can't seem to get them on pitch.

Bends are a tricky thing. I am working on this a lot lately as well. I always thought it will just come over time, but i think i was wrong and it is really something to practice on. The problem with bends are, that you have to kind of feel in front how much you need to bend the string to reach the pitch. When you hear it, it can often be too late smile.gif.


Bar 9-13 :
Sounds already much more stable. Well done! Those or similar shapes you will find in a lot of solos. Keep those 3-String arpeggios in mind and come back to them from time to time. You can not practice them enough and over time it will sound more connected.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 9 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Bar 9 to the end I wont lie is tricky to me. I can play it but it feels uncomfortable. It just feels like I'm doing something wrong. Something that doesn't affect me at slow tempos but you know when you know for sure that if you speed it up by 10 bpm say that your technique will be wrong for it and you'll have to change. Can you see from the video if something isn't right in that bit or is it just a case of practicing it over and over. I've only had an hour on this so far so I know I can improve greatly smile.gif

I can not see something wrong in your technic. Your right hand looks good for me. Your left hand as well. Only thing, i prefer to have the thumb a bit more behind the neck on parts like this (playing on higher strings), as my fingers are less curved then and it feels more "free" for me, but this is personal preference and both should work.
I ask me often the same question, fast picking is problem for me and i always doubt in my technic, but i do progress by doing a lot of workouts, so i'm afraid practicing is the only solution.


Overall, you could smooth this solo even more out if you try to keep your vibrato less nervous. I know to give advice about vibrato is like saying to someone "i don't like your accent" smile.gif, but maybe you know what i mean. You could use the first bars (1-8) to work on your vibrato. Bar 6 (end of bar 5) for example. The G note (12) is played three times, try to add some variations maybe. A nice developing vibrato can add something interesting here.

We dive already into details! Just keep those things in mind when you approach a solo. I think this is much more important (and fun) as to gain 10 bpm's smile.gif.



Strumming and Arpeggios - Take #1

You obviously played this lesson with ease and for sure you have a sense of rhythm. In my opinion this kind of chord play can be challenging if you really want to have it equally. For example when you record a song and need some soft background guitar.

What kind of recording gear you have? If you like and have the possibility, try to do a audio take (no video needed) and choose a super clean pop song sound, some chorus and a bit compression. The strings will become really sensitive and it will be difficult to play everything clean, equal and in balance. You can learn a lot from that about accuracy as you can hear every detail.

Let me know what you thing .. smile.gif

OrganisedConfusion
Thanks for the feedback Andy. I think the Phrygian sounds a lot smoother but like you say I really need to improve vibrato so I will try practicing the first 8 bars and focus on vibrato within them. Also will aim to get a recording of the legato workout at some time today and will try and record a small bit of clean strumming with maybe a clean solo with it in a kind of verse chorus solo layout.

Should those be my tasks today? I should be able to have a look at the alternate picking exercise also today smile.gif
wrk
I love to see you that motivated OC. I thought i gave you enough for the whole week and you put your daily tasks that high smile.gif and for sure i don't want to stop that!!
Just to follow a bit some guidlines and structure, i will more concentrated on the tasks of the weekly session and if you are faster will try to give you some extentions about the same topic if your are ok with that (?). But i will gladly try to help and give feedback on other things you practice on. smile.gif

Workouts
The drumloops are uploaded. I have added them on the top (session #1)
As it's part of the first session i really suggest you to use some time for these workouts. Your picking will become more controlled and your left hand more fluid over time. Even if it seems to be boring, it can be really fun after a while .. even addictive as soon you feel the first improvements. smile.gif

Phrygian:
Try to get as much out of it as you can. Take your time with vibrato and the other things you already integrated and if you see some improvement you can upload another take of course.

It's not a task, but a next step for you and good extension lesson could be Muris "Harmonic Minor for Beginner" lesson, which involves mainly the same technics. A lot of slides, bends and vibrato. Again with the goal to play it really smooth and connected. A bit more difficult as you have bends on the lower strings, but should be doable. There is a tapping part at the end, which is not complicated ..


Strumming and Arpeggios
Next week will be rhythm guitar time, but i will not choose this lesson as you already did it. So feel free to work on it and share takes. Play with sounds and try to keep it high polished pop clean laugh.gif




OrganisedConfusion
I will probably practice these 4 things for a while actually and maybe post on Monday my progress and hopefully it should be massively improved in all areas smile.gif If I get stuck I will post sooner of course. I'm just very keen to progress and use this time to really help me and also I really want you to get that Muris Mentorship as you deserve it. You're doing a great job so far and I'm very happy after just 24 hours smile.gif Your feedback is spot on and you bring up things that I didn't notice like the slide grace notes.
wrk
Thanks OC, i'm glad that it was of help already.

If you continue like the last two days, i'm sure you will progress massively as you said smile.gif. Let me know whenever you need help.
OrganisedConfusion
Hey mate. Just to update you I've been practicing these lessons and workouts and it's going fairly well I think. I'm staying at a friends tonight but I'm free to play some guitar again tomorrow night and I will record an update video on where I'm at.
wrk
So you have had a good practicing weekend ?

You once gave a good feedback about your difficulties concerning the phrygian lesson or solo in general. If you could give me similar feedback for the workouts as well could be helpful. Something like, you get tensed easily, or you miss attack in the middle finger, to keep all note constant ... stuff like that.

Thanks ... and have a nice evening tonight !
OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 12 2009, 02:13 PM) *
So you have had a good practicing weekend ?

You once gave a good feedback about your difficulties concerning the phrygian lesson or solo in general. If you could give me similar feedback for the workouts as well could be helpful. Something like, you get tensed easily, or you miss attack in the middle finger, to keep all note constant ... stuff like that.

Thanks ... and have a nice evening tonight !

I will mention that when I post video. I think it's mainly differing attack though. So different fingers are more powerful than others which gives an uneven sound. I can play it fine but I'm working on really getting it very laid back and putting power in without totally hammering the frets smile.gif
wrk
QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 12 2009, 03:19 PM) *
.... I think it's mainly differing attack though. So different fingers are more powerful than others which gives an uneven sound. I can play it fine but I'm working on really getting it very laid back and putting power in without totally hammering the frets smile.gif


Great, thats exactly what you should get aware of with this legato exercises.
The differences of attack will cause you difficulties when you play legato parts or runs. So if you concentrate on this, a lot of things you play will quickly sound much more fluid.

You are right, don't hammer the strings too hard. You kind of have to release the tension direct after the finger hits the string.

I'm often laughing when doing these exercises, the fingers look a bit like cylinders inside an engine which goes up and down .. don't know if you get my picture, but the technic is quite similar actually smile.gif




OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 12 2009, 02:34 PM) *
Great, thats exactly what you should get aware of with this legato exercises.
The differences of attack will cause you difficulties when you play legato parts or runs. So if you concentrate on this, a lot of things you play will quickly sound much more fluid.

You are right, don't hammer the strings too hard. You kind of have to release the tension direct after the finger hits the string.

I'm often laughing when doing these exercises, the fingers look a bit like cylinders inside an engine which goes up and down .. don't know if you get my picture, but the technic is quite similar actually smile.gif

haha. With the power in fingers I visualised like a kung fu guy breaking a number of bricks with his hand because he can concentrate the energy and I was trying to do that with fingers and realised that isn't the desired effect laugh.gif

I will snap the neck with my super focussed power fingers lol biggrin.gif

But it's good fun. I like that legato exercise as it is fairly melodic and the more melodic something is the more I want to practice. If it sounds dull then it's hard to get excited about but this is a simple exercise that sounds great and very musical smile.gif
wrk
laugh.gif .. don't snap the low E string with your pinky.

It will stay melodic, promised. If you want to apply some theory, you can try to transpose the shapes up and down the neck on these two strings, but stay in the same key. I will explain this in more details in the next session, but you can try to figure it out on your own already if you like.


OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 12 2009, 02:55 PM) *
laugh.gif .. don't snap the low E string with your pinky.

It will stay melodic, promised. If you want to apply some theory, you can try to transpose the shapes up and down the neck on these two strings, but stay in the same key. I will explain this in more details in the next session, but you can try to figure it out on your own already if you like.

Same notes, different octave? I can do that smile.gif
wrk
As i said, i will explain this in more details, but as you are a PHD:er, maybe you like a little quiz smile.gif

If you don't know what i mean, don't worry .. the explanation will come. Even if its an workout, it's just for to understand as well what you play.

You play cord notes in this each shape in this legato exercise:
1. Bbmaj7 (root chord)
2. Cm7
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?

- Figure out which notes you play in each shape
- understand the structure
- transpose this structure to each notes of this key (harmonizing: have a look HERE)

OrganisedConfusion
1. Bbmaj7 (root chord) - You play Bb, A, D, F
2. Cm7 - You play C, Eb, G, Bb
3. Dm7 - You play D, F, A, C
4. Ebmaj7 - You play Eb, G, Bb, D
5. F7 - You play F, A, C, Eb
6. Gm - You play G, Bb, D, F
7. Adim - You play A, C, Eb, G

Is that correct?

The structure is 1 3 5 7 degrees of scale?
wrk
Correct! ... you only need the 7th as well for Gm? and Adim? smile.gif

Try to find a shape for each of the 7 chords. If it becomes to uncomfortable on the higher frets go lower (octave lower) .. use the whole fretboard. Maybe complete the GP file for yourself.

If you have all of them, you can mix them as you and ears like smile.gif and build you own exercises out of it. By now stay only in this key. Later you can move them to other keys.

It's of course just an add-on to the main goal to equalize your legato, but like this you can give these workouts different purposes.




OrganisedConfusion
I will add the different patterns to the guitar pro tab and upload tomorrow and hopefully I'm correct and I will upload a video.

Thanks again. smile.gif

Yeah I forgot to add the 7 for some reason. Not sure why on the last 2.
OrganisedConfusion
I've been totally slacking off lol. I have done this tonight and that is it sad.gif I have tabbed out legato exercise with all patterns. And recorded this collab. That is it. And the collab recording is awful and the tab is right hopefully. Sorry to let you down sad.gif
wrk
No reason to be sorry OC. You did really great so far smile.gif
You managed the phrygian lesson quite well and hope you learned something to keep in mind when approaching other solos. This was the main part of this session, so no reason to be worried !!

With the rest (workouts) i just want to give you some ideas for you to work on over time. This will need more time as just one week of course. I will extend this in each session a bit if it is interesting for you, but take it as a long term practice plan proposition smile.gif ... something like that.


Our little theory exercise:
Your GP file is nearly correct, just the last shape, Adim7 (i prefer Am7b5, but it's the same), On the g-string you play an Ab (13) but it has to be A (14) smile.gif. All the other shapes are correct. Great !

You added something extra to this:). I initially was meaning to stay on the e and b string and transpose the shapes here, but you managed to do it on the b and g string, so it's great and useful for the future. A good extension for you to work on, so keep it.
You maybe noticed that these shapes on the b and g string are not as easy. To shift the index finger position can be difficult. For the purpose of this exercise to work on your legato, stick to the e and b string first and when you feel comfortable move to the b and g string .. and even further if you like.

As you see, with these kind of workouts you can apply some theory knowledge on the guitar as well. You quickly will learn the fretboard like this, shapes/chord notes you can play over a specific chord, etc. Try to remember as well what each note represents in each shape (root, 3rd, 5th, 7th). Over time it will help you to see the fretboard as chords and not as scale diagrams.

Up Tempo Blues Collab:
Nice take, i like those kind of crazy blues solos ... wild and noisy to make the guitar scream smile.gif. I think Jose will tell you more about it in his comments.

Just an advise maybe. To improvise a complete take and fill it with brilliant licks, structure and everything what defines a great solo is an art on it's own. Still a secret for me sad.gif
What you can try is to improvise a few takes and record them. Listen to it afterwards and keep the licks you like. Try to remember these licks and apply them on your next take. Like this try to find licks for each part over the complete backing and compose your solo that way. Finally, play and record the complete solo as best you can. It is not 100% improvised of course, but you use improvisation to build your solo. The advantage is that you remember what you have played and you can apply this again on your next improvisation. Otherwise good stuff you have played before is gone quickly after.
I don't know how you practice (?), but i have always my DAW open with a drum loop or a backing track and can easily hit record.


Let me know when you are up for the next session. I planed to have the next session online tomorrow (15.01)


OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (wrk @ Jan 14 2009, 08:37 AM) *
No reason to be sorry OC. You did really great so far smile.gif
You managed the phrygian lesson quite well and hope you learned something to keep in mind when approaching other solos. This was the main part of this session, so no reason to be worried !!

With the rest (workouts) i just want to give you some ideas for you to work on over time. This will need more time as just one week of course. I will extend this in each session a bit if it is interesting for you, but take it as a long term practice plan proposition smile.gif ... something like that.


Our little theory exercise:
Your GP file is nearly correct, just the last shape, Adim7 (i prefer Am7b5, but it's the same), On the g-string you play an Ab (13) but it has to be A (14) smile.gif. All the other shapes are correct. Great !

You added something extra to this:). I initially was meaning to stay on the e and b string and transpose the shapes here, but you managed to do it on the b and g string, so it's great and useful for the future. A good extension for you to work on, so keep it.
You maybe noticed that these shapes on the b and g string are not as easy. To shift the index finger position can be difficult. For the purpose of this exercise to work on your legato, stick to the e and b string first and when you feel comfortable move to the b and g string .. and even further if you like.

As you see, with these kind of workouts you can apply some theory knowledge on the guitar as well. You quickly will learn the fretboard like this, shapes/chord notes you can play over a specific chord, etc. Try to remember as well what each note represents in each shape (root, 3rd, 5th, 7th). Over time it will help you to see the fretboard as chords and not as scale diagrams.

Up Tempo Blues Collab:
Nice take, i like those kind of crazy blues solos ... wild and noisy to make the guitar scream smile.gif. I think Jose will tell you more about it in his comments.

Just an advise maybe. To improvise a complete take and fill it with brilliant licks, structure and everything what defines a great solo is an art on it's own. Still a secret for me sad.gif
What you can try is to improvise a few takes and record them. Listen to it afterwards and keep the licks you like. Try to remember these licks and apply them on your next take. Like this try to find licks for each part over the complete backing and compose your solo that way. Finally, play and record the complete solo as best you can. It is not 100% improvised of course, but you use improvisation to build your solo. The advantage is that you remember what you have played and you can apply this again on your next improvisation. Otherwise good stuff you have played before is gone quickly after.
I don't know how you practice (?), but i have always my DAW open with a drum loop or a backing track and can easily hit record.


Let me know when you are up for the next session. I planed to have the next session online tomorrow (15.01)

What a silly error with the tab lol. I know you don't have an Ab in as I listed the notes you play above for each chord in the key of Bb laugh.gif I'm just a bit of a fool and yeah some of the stretches are quite tricky for me but it's helping me and I'm gradually getting better at doing legato with larger stretches thanks to this. My theory is vastly improved over the last 4 or 5 months. Any chance on you putting together a mini theory quiz including scale, interval and harmonising knowledge? That would really help me as PhD students love quizzes lol tongue.gif laugh.gif I'm sad I know.

As for the collabs. I normally whack the backing in to my DAW and record every take and when I'm happy with bits through improvising I keep them in and then try and play those bits in every take whilst improvising the other bits. That collab however was 100% improvised lol as you could probably tell. I'm a huge fan of bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam who used to do really screamy and at times anti guitar solos. I learnt a lot from them and even though they have bad habits nothing excites me more than a screaming guitar that is at the point of breaking up completely as you have to really listen hard to find the melody at the back that they are trying to get across.

I can't wait for my next session tomorrow as the Phrygian lesson will be in my practice regime for a while until I can really get my vibrato better. Is my tone quite poor at times or is it not too bad but rather my technique with vibrato and bends that would make my playing that much stronger?

Thanks for your mentoring as I think you are doing it brilliantly. I understand everything you say and agree with your comments fully and you're helping me get to being a better guitarist and we aren't just learning licks. These exercises will help me with anything I do in the future. So thanks again and I look forward to tomorrow. I'm going to try my hardest to get something recorded tonight but it depends on how things go. I played guitar for 7 hours last night and hurt my hand a bit but recorded several riffs for my virtual band, a collaboration, the legato exercise, the alternate picking exercise and also the phrygian practice as well as working on riffs for my real bands songs. smile.gif

Cheers Andy. You're a very inspirational guitarist who makes me want to get better. smile.gif
OrganisedConfusion
I am going home shortly and I will give a progress video tonight for sure before you update tomorrow with new session. smile.gif
OrganisedConfusion
I'm really struggling with the legato exercise. I suck sad.gif



I've uploaded me trying. I can't do it. It really is hurting my fingers a lot also sad.gif Also I know that I don't do it on the beat but I did when it was live. I just for some reason but it on the offbeat now.
wrk
I will listen to it. Don't worry ..

Don't force it !! Do those exercise for just a few minutes and then stop. It will become easier with time.
wrk
Just saw your video! Don't worry OC, this is harder as it looks like. I only can repeat. This is NOT a speed training exercise !!
Do it much slower. I guess you used 80 bpm, right? Use 60 and stick to one shape only, so that you really can concentrate on each finger.

Example:
I noticed in your video, your index finger has the less attack. When you change the shape, the index is more doing a slide as a hammer-on. This is why it is important to do it really slow, so that you know what each finger is doing.

Remember:
- do it slow
- only one shape
- equalize each finger ( focus on the index for a while)
- only a short time, stop immediately when you start to get tensed !

Leave it for now, play something fun smile.gif and from time to time come back to it. Alright ? .. smile.gif





wrk
QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
What a silly error with the tab lol. I know you don't have an Ab in as I listed the notes you play above for each chord in the key of Bb laugh.gif I'm just a bit of a fool and yeah some of the stretches are quite tricky for me but it's helping me and I'm gradually getting better at doing legato with larger stretches thanks to this. My theory is vastly improved over the last 4 or 5 months. Any chance on you putting together a mini theory quiz including scale, interval and harmonising knowledge? That would really help me as PhD students love quizzes lol tongue.gif laugh.gif I'm sad I know.

laugh.gif , happens, but good job otherwise ! ... too many frets on the guitar smile.gif
This was just for theory and now i know that you have some knowledge here, great.
I'm not a theory master, but i'm working actually on some theory learning tools in flash for myself. Maybe you can do test drive one day(?). I will try to give you a little quiz from time to time.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
As for the collabs. I normally whack the backing in to my DAW and record every take and when I'm happy with bits through improvising I keep them in and then try and play those bits in every take whilst improvising the other bits. That collab however was 100% improvised lol as you could probably tell. I'm a huge fan of bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden, Mudhoney, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam who used to do really screamy and at times anti guitar solos. I learnt a lot from them and even though they have bad habits nothing excites me more than a screaming guitar that is at the point of breaking up completely as you have to really listen hard to find the melody at the back that they are trying to get across.

For me this approach works best as well by now, so you do it quite similar and obviously do progress in improvisation. Muris confirmed this once if i remember right. smile.gif

I was and still am a big Pearl Jam fan, especially Eddie Vedder. I love when bands have a massive sound and you can feel the guitar player have to fight to keep the sound under control. It's not the best approach for practicing, but those are my roots in rock music as well.

QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
I can't wait for my next session tomorrow as the Phrygian lesson will be in my practice regime for a while until I can really get my vibrato better. Is my tone quite poor at times or is it not too bad but rather my technique with vibrato and bends that would make my playing that much stronger?

Yes, continue on the phrygian lesson. You can play it now, use it to work on technics like bends, vibrato .. try different slide-ins (slow, quick).

Your sound is for sure not poor. I like it, quite clean. A good sound for practicing, but it makes you life maybe not easy sometimes. Everybody have an different opinion about it. Some people say you have to practice with an clean sound to really hear everything. Which is true. But i want to have fun while practicing and sound is really important for me. So i try to find a compromise smile.gif

You have a toneport, right? Play with different sounds or download some. Different sounds creates new ideas in my opinion. Your guitar can react completely different as you are used to with your current sound.


QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM) *
Thanks for your mentoring as I think you are doing it brilliantly. I understand everything you say and agree with your comments fully and you're helping me get to being a better guitarist and we aren't just learning licks. These exercises will help me with anything I do in the future. So thanks again and I look forward to tomorrow. I'm going to try my hardest to get something recorded tonight but it depends on how things go. I played guitar for 7 hours last night and hurt my hand a bit but recorded several riffs for my virtual band, a collaboration, the legato exercise, the alternate picking exercise and also the phrygian practice as well as working on riffs for my real bands songs. smile.gif

Cheers Andy. You're a very inspirational guitarist who makes me want to get better. smile.gif


You played 7 hours? Man, i'm exhausted when i play that long .. but happy smile.gif
Thanks OC, i really have a lot of fun here with you. I'm not sure if i'm always right in what i say as it's just base on my own experiences and i'm not used to give advise really. I hope you will get some benefit out of it, but be patient and don't get frustrated at some point. I always look for some shortcuts ... but can not find one smile.gif





OrganisedConfusion
Hey man. Cheers for the comments. A theory quiz would be great. I know my theory a fair bit and I'm progressing quickly with it smile.gif Pearl Jam are incredible live and Eddie Vedder is just amazing to me. I do have a toneport for recording and I kind of only use 3 settings I've created depending on song. I need to create more I feel and play around but the worst problem I have is transfering any sort of decent tone to my band. I really struggle but I guess I would as I only use a Metal Zone pedal sad.gif

I'm quite happy that I play guitar because I can jam along with some simple songs like Pearl Jam and Audioslave and enjoy them lots. It gives me great pleasure being able to play them and I'm very thankful. Can I send you a link to me trying to sing lol? I don't want others to hear laugh.gif
wrk
QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Jan 15 2009, 01:23 AM) *
Hey man. Cheers for the comments. A theory quiz would be great. I know my theory a fair bit and I'm progressing quickly with it smile.gif Pearl Jam are incredible live and Eddie Vedder is just amazing to me. I do have a toneport for recording and I kind of only use 3 settings I've created depending on song. I need to create more I feel and play around but the worst problem I have is transfering any sort of decent tone to my band. I really struggle but I guess I would as I only use a Metal Zone pedal sad.gif

I'm quite happy that I play guitar because I can jam along with some simple songs like Pearl Jam and Audioslave and enjoy them lots. It gives me great pleasure being able to play them and I'm very thankful. Can I send you a link to me trying to sing lol? I don't want others to hear laugh.gif


I'll try to put some theory questions together. Good exercise for me as well smile.gif

Yes, good sound, a never ending story smile.gif. I don't have an amp by now. My complete gear burned a few years ago in an house fire. A nice amp, few guitars, effects sad.gif .. just my strat survived smile.gif. But i'm quite happy with my POD XT Live at the moment and i guess i will get an amp again soon.

This is what guitar playing is supposed to be, to have fun and enjoy to play the music you like.

Sure, send me a link or i will send you my email address via PM. Would like to hear it smile.gif


OrganisedConfusion
Cool I sent you the link obviously by PM but it isn't to do with guitar mentoring I guess for thanks for your time and I'm dying to know what Session 2 is lol. And those workouts are going to be done every day. I need to get something to wrap around top of my guitar to mute strings.
wrk
Resume: Session #1

Each session will cover different topics, but for you it should not stop there. Take the time and come back to each topic and continue from there. For this i would like to give you a small resume of what we have done.

Our first session was Muris's - Phrygian Soloing (Beginner) lesson. A nice solo, which you played really well and you did some great progress between the two uploaded takes. I think you got an idea how to use technics like slide-ins and legato to make a solo more connected and in this case more smooth. Bends and vibrato need a long time, but you started to focus on this during this lesson. Choose some lessons of the same kind, easy nice melodies, long notes and apply the same tools. Just continue like that and all will come together. Here are some examples for you to continue on your own:

Muris's - Beginner Solo in D
Muris's - Harmonic Minor for Beginner

You did your first experiences with hammer-on and pull-off exercises. You told me you feel some progress, but you mentioned as well that it is stressful for your left hand. This is completely normal and you have to be patient and of course careful with that. Take your time. Try to integrate them slowly into your regular practice routine.

You worked on the alternate picking exercise, but i don't know how this was going for you. Maybe upload a take when you feel ready or if you have questions. We will continue with this with the goal to integrate them as a part of your daily routine.

As an theory extension, i gave you a little quiz to transpose the legato shapes along the fretboard (key of Bb Major). Which you managed to do on the b and g string. Task and easier would have been to stay on e and b string and transpose them here, but this doesn't matter as you understood the structure of each shape as chord notes (root, 3rd, 5th, 7th).

OrganisedConfusion
I will upload a take of the Alternate Picking exercise to show you my progress and I'm going to continue with them in my daily practice smile.gif Can't wait for session 2. I'm going to work harder this week and not give up so easily. My hand hurt a lot yesterday but it is better today. smile.gif

I was also going to ask. Are there any lessons that talk about how to do vibrato better. I'm practicing it on Muris' Phrygian lesson like we discussed but I'm not sure I know how to improve it if you know what I mean. I know what vibrato sounds like but I'm not too sure on how it's done well or how to get to it being done well and when I know I'm on the right track.
Mandos
OC I found this video a few months ago. It might be helpful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c9UqbkjC6k *leaves*
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