Alright, so Myself, Kazmandu and Outlaw are gonna be working on Muris's Phrygian serial. Lets post any questions and our takes in this thread so we can all follow along.
I'll upload the tab I want us all to work off of here so we are all on the same page.
Alright, so Myself, Kazmandu and Outlaw are gonna be working on Muris's Phrygian serial. Lets post any questions and our takes in this thread so we can all follow along.
I'll upload the tab I want us all to work off of here so we are all on the same page.
Thanks to Muris for the AWESOME SERIAL!!
Let's Rock this serial guys!!!
Stay tuned......
ok cool... do you want our takes video taped or just a mp3 of it?
ok cool... do you want our takes video taped or just a mp3 of it?
I'd like videos if possible so I can see your technique any correct and problems I see. Once you can post a take a full tempo with reasonable timing and clean playing you can move on to the next level.
I'd like videos if possible so I can see your technique and correct and problems I see. Once you can post a take a full tempo with reasonable timing and clean playing you can move on to the next level.
ok done... sounds like a challenge, i like it
lcsdds
Mar 3 2009, 02:31 PM
Here is the tab I want you to work off of. You'll notice I've broken it up into 4 licks and I've specified which bars comprise the licks.
Go ahead and download the tab and check it out, and I'll give more instructions later on today.
lcsdds
Mar 3 2009, 03:10 PM
Alright guys first thing we need to do is to make sure that Muris didn't take too many nunchuk blows to the head in his Ninja days and write a solo in "C Aeolian" when he meant to write it in "C Phrygian".
Outlaw.... I want you to figure out the notes and triads that are found in BOTH "C Aeolian and C Phrygian". If you need help with this get Jer to give you a hand. Thanks.
Kazmanian Devil...Your job is too make sure that chord progression that Muris has us soloing over is indeed a "C Phrygian" chord progression. Make sure you let Outlaw and myself know why you came to that conclusion....You know the drill so get crackin!!!
I've uploaded a revised Chart for you to download and use for analyzing the Diatonic scales.
Once we've got this step done we will proceed....
kaznie_NL
Mar 3 2009, 03:25 PM
C Phrygian has the triads Cmin, Dbmaj, EbMaj, Fmin, Gdim, AbMaj, Bbmin. These are the chords because they are minor (roman small number) or major (roman capital number) or dimnished (Locrian mode). Now, the chords from C aeolian are.. Cmin, Ddim, EbMaj, Fmin, Gmin, AbMaj and BbMaj. So a good chord progression, with a phrygian sound would be...Cmin, Dbmaj, Bbmin. Something with those chords
And Muris' progression is.. Tadaa: Cmin, Db, Bbmin! Exactly
Question, do you want us to learn this solo with your gp5 help, or can we give it a shot ourselves? I think I can learn the lesson without all the exercises... Sorry, being very much me again
C Phrygian has the triads Cmin, Dbmaj, EbMaj, Fmin, Gdim, AbMaj, Bbmin. These are the chords because they are minor (roman small number) or major (roman capital number) or dimnished (Locrian mode). Now, the chords from C aeolian are.. Cmin, Ddim, EbMaj, Fmin, Gmin, AbMaj and BbMaj. So a good chord progression, with a phrygian sound would be...Cmin, Dbmaj, Bbmin. Something with those chords
And Muris' progression is.. Tadaa: Cmin, Db, Bbmin! Exactly
Question, do you want us to learn this solo with your gp5 help, or can we give it a shot ourselves? I think I can learn the lesson without all the exercises... Sorry, being very much me again
Good job Kazmainian Devil...\m/\m/.
Tear into the lesson. Remember my Kaz-Box spiel...You only need it when the piece you are playing is above the limits of your technique.
If you can learn this bad boy and post a clean take with good timing without using the KAZ-BOX....Have at it.
Outlaw....Did you follow that? If not get with Jer and he'll walk you through it on your thread. I want to try and keep this thread relatively clean. Everything should be related to learning the lesson.
You an Kaz probably won't have any problems with this lesson. So tear into. As soon as you guys can post clean takes we'll move on to the next level. If you get stuck....I'll get you unstuck!!
But....If I see any sloppy timing we get out the milkbone, hungry dog and.....THE KAZ-BOX for sure.
Outlaw2112
Mar 5 2009, 02:41 AM
Notes that are the same in both C Aeolian and C Phrygian are C,Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb
and the triads are C, Eb, G Eb, G, Bb F, Ab, C Ab, C Eb
jer
Mar 5 2009, 03:05 AM
For C aeolian, start on C.
Same notes but different triads.
then what he's looking for is this:
QUOTE
Outlaw.... I want you to figure out the notes and triads that are found in BOTH "C Aeolian and C Phrygian".
So after you list them all, erase the ones that are not in BOTH.
Outlaw, Tell me which note is found in C Phrygian but not C Aeolian. Then tell me which 3 triads that note is found in as the root, third and fifth. When you tell me which triads make sure you tell me if they are major, minor or diminished.
Remember looking at the chart, the note found in the I, IV or V column is always the root of a Major triad.
The note found in the ii,iii or vi column is always the root of a minor triad.
The note found in the vii dim column is always the root of a diminished triad.
Hope this helps. Go back in the thread and see how Kaz analyzed it. He did a really good job. Then try it yourself and see if you can come to the same conclusion.
jer
Mar 5 2009, 05:32 AM
based on your original question though, that is right.
QUOTE
Outlaw.... I want you to figure out the notes and triads that are found in BOTH "C Aeolian and C Phrygian".
Outlaw, Tell me which note is found in C Phrygian but not C Aeolian. Then tell me which 3 triads that note is found in as the root, third and fifth. When you tell me which triads make sure you tell me if they are major, minor or diminished.
Remember looking at the chart, the note found in the I, IV or V column is always the root of a Major triad.
The note found in the ii,iii or vi column is always the root of a minor triad.
The note found in the vii dim column is always the root of a diminished triad.
Hope this helps. Go back in the thread and see how Kaz analyzed it. He did a really good job. Then try it yourself and see if you can come to the same conclusion.
The C Phrygian and the C Aeolian are the same scale except the Phrygian has Db and the Aeolian has a D...
The three traids are Db F Ab minor, Bb Db F minor, G Bb Db Diminished ?
whoops... i posted this take everywhere but here...
here it is
Good job John!! There are a few licks in there that you can clean up though. The last section where he is using triads to follow the backing track is one. Get your Kaz-box out and practice those licks with the Kaz box. Do it like this.
50 bpm 1 min 60 bpm 1 min 70 bpm 1 min 80 bpm 1 min 90 bpm 1 min
So now you have just added a lick to your practice routine. Dissect out all the licks that you feel are shaky and not quite a clean as you would like and practice them this way with the Kaz box until you feel comfortable. This to me is the most effiecient use of your time, especially if you have limited practice time.
So if it were me. I would practice every one of those licks, I think I divided this lesson into 4 separate licks, with the Kaz-box and no tracking. Without the backing or GP file playing it will force you to really figure out how the lick needs to be phrased in relation to the beat.
On the slower licks you don't need to drop the BPM like I gave you the example of earlier. Just set the Kaz-box for the tempo of the song and play it by itself for 5 min. You'll be surprised how long 5 min seems to be when playing just one lick over and over. Your assignment for next week is to do this.
Play the Phrygian beginner lesson as the 4 separate licks by themself with just the Kaz-box for 5 min each. Then play the lesson with the backing track for another 10 to 15 min. I think if you practice this lesson this way that you will really improve your playing of it.
Also, you can break up those last 4 bars and work on those licks individually as well. This should show you how you can build your practice routine. You should always have plenty of material to practice if you practice this way.
I want you to try it this way and post me a new and improve take next week. Pay attention to your picking hand on those last licks. Watch Muris's and my take and try and duplicate them. Looks to me like you are using all down strokes. A combo of AP an sweeping will work better. Let me know if you want me to upload a new tab for you with the picking directions notated for that last lick. Good job John!!
kaznie_NL
Mar 7 2009, 10:54 PM
Can any of you guys post the BT here? Otherwise I'm gonna have a crackling BT again
Dave does some cool web lessons. I think he did one on every mode if I am not mistaken. Good find John.
yeah he has one for every mode...
Outlaw2112
Mar 11 2009, 04:50 AM
I sat on the phone with logitech suport for over an hour trying to work through the static i was getting on my webcam.. I made this tonight messing with the sound levels and just wanted to test it out... I figured i would show it to you to see my timing, i wasnt properly warmed up when i made this, not making excuses but just letting you know..
kaznie_NL
Mar 11 2009, 09:12 AM
Hey Monte, I'm gonna upload this one soon, I just need some more time on the outro lick at the 15th and 11th fret. It's very anoying xD
I sat on the phone with logitech suport for over an hour trying to work through the static i was getting on my webcam.. I made this tonight messing with the sound levels and just wanted to test it out... I figured i would show it to you to see my timing, i wasnt properly warmed up when i made this, not making excuses but just letting you know..
Timing was definitely better John. I would still Isolate the last two licks and work on it with the Kaz-Box. You seem to rush this part a little. I think just you and the Kaz-box and focusing on where the beat falls would really help. Don't be afraid to slow it WAY down. You'll be surprised how hard it can be to play on a slow tempo. Give it a shot!!
How is your sweeping coming?
Outlaw2112
Mar 11 2009, 12:43 PM
Ill post something tonight on sweeping, triads and my kazbox struggles. How was the sound on that last upload.. Sounded like the bass was too heavy, i need to mess with speaker placement
Ill post something tonight on sweeping, triads and my kazbox struggles. How was the sound on that last upload.. Sounded like the bass was too heavy, i need to mess with speaker placement
It sounded better than last time and I think it was fine for our purposes. I'd really like to see a video of you playing that last lick at like 50 bpm. I want to see how you handle the really slow settings. If you dial into that I think after a week or so you will really notice a difference in your timing.
I know it has helped Dan's timing a lot to slow it way down.....at least it seems to have helped.
Outlaw2112
Mar 11 2009, 01:00 PM
I dont know how i would even slow that down.. Im just playing off of feeling on this.. Im not counting or any of that, im just listening to the backing track and playing where the notes feel like they are suposed to fall... A video on playing it with the metronome both in time and slowed down would help out alot... I learn alot more watching someone doing something and explaining it then reading about it.. I tend to get bored reading after about the first sentence or two.. not a reading fan here
I dont know how i would even slow that down.. Im just playing off of feeling on this.. Im not counting or any of that, im just listening to the backing track and playing where the notes feel like they are suposed to fall... A video on playing it with the metronome both in time and slowed down would help out alot... I learn alot more watching someone doing something and explaining it then reading about it.. I tend to get bored reading after about the first sentence or two.. not a reading fan here
I would just work on the kaz box for a week and getting down counting your notes per beat.
Then you will see how to apply this too those last licks.
I would just work on the kaz box for a week and getting down counting your notes per beat.
Then you will see how to apply this too those last licks.
That is what I would reccomend too John. Those last licks are straight 16th notes....4 notes per beat....break it into licks and do the Kazbox routine. I'll see if I can't make a video for you showing you how to count it. I'll try and do it tonight for you and you can see what I mean.
Cool Kaz!....Are you gonna do a video or just mp3?
kaznie_NL
Mar 12 2009, 06:33 PM
Does that awnser your question?
The video isn't the same take as the audio, but the difference is very small. I did a little screw up in the videotake, and also a little screw up in this one, but I thought this one was better. Hope you like it
The video isn't the same take as the audio, but the difference is very small. I did a little screw up in the videotake, and also a little screw up in this one, but I thought this one was better. Hope you like it
Looked and sounded good Kaz!! You could clean up the last section a little but over all it was very nice. You up for giving the Lydian intermediate a shot? Dan and I are both gonna start working on it. I hope John will as well when he gets the timing for this lesson worked out. Good job dude!
Outlaw2112
Mar 19 2009, 03:44 AM
I would like to know how this intermediate phrygian soloing lesson is only rated a 6.. might take me some time to get this up to yoda muris speed...
I would like to know how this intermediate phrygian soloing lesson is only rated a 6.. might take me some time to get this up to yoda muris speed...
I thought the same thing about the lydian lesson John!! I have been working on the advanced lydian and intermediate and here is my reasoning on the the different level ratings.
In the Lydian intermediate there are basically 2 difficult techniques going on: Fast legato and fast AP.
In the Lydian intermediate there are Sweep tap arpeggios, fast AP with string skipping, hybrid picking, fast legato.
I think it is the amount of different techniques.
Let me know if you want any help with the phrasing on it John. I can make you a video going over the tab and how to count it if you would like. I would send it to you via skype though. Youtube kills the quality of the video. I'm gonna tear into this lesson next week so I will be able to help you with it a little more then, but I would be happy to go over the GP file if you need it.
Looked and sounded good Kaz!! You could clean up the last section a little but over all it was very nice. You up for giving the Lydian intermediate a shot? Dan and I are both gonna start working on it. I hope John will as well when he gets the timing for this lesson worked out. Good job dude!
sorry for the late reply, I'm doing Lydian beginner first. That's not very hard should be able to film it this week. Maybe tonight...
Guess im the only phrygian left... well im going to get the intermediate done and keep the phrygians hope alive
John...Have you tried isolating those last couple of licks in the beginner lessons...the arpeggios? I'd like to see a video of you playing that with just you and the Kaz-box if possible. Thanks dude!!
kaznie_NL
Mar 20 2009, 04:16 PM
Lydian beginner is being uploaded now, along five others for the REC program, so it might take a while
It has some minor mistakes because of very rough fingers, and not enough practice For some reason sliding goes very bad atm... It's like my fingers can't slide, to rough. I thought it was the FastFret I started using a week ago, but Bogdan and Ivan told me that FF would do the opposite, make sliding easier!
Lydian beginner is being uploaded now, along five others for the REC program, so it might take a while
It has some minor mistakes because of very rough fingers, and not enough practice For some reason sliding goes very bad atm... It's like my fingers can't slide, to rough. I thought it was the FastFret I started using a week ago, but Bogdan and Ivan told me that FF would do the opposite, make sliding easier!
hey kaz, try finger ease and fast fret.. I put fast fret on after im done playing and finger ease on before i start playing
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