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Pedja Simovic
Hello GMC !

Welcome to another in class type collaboration.
I have to say I was really thinking hard what should be your next in class type collaboration. I was analyzing your solos from previous collaborations and noticed that biggest problem in most takes was your phrasing. To be more exact, I am talking about down beat and up beat type rhythm and playing. This lead me to finally create backing track which is suitable for many sorts of solos (which I will talk about later) but we will use it for Straight vs Syncopated soloing !


Ok, so our topic for this in class type collaboration is Straight rhythm vs Syncopated rhythm soloing !

This means that your solo has to contain both types of rhythms.
Straight rhythm is basically if you start on Down beat (1 2 3 4) and play rhythm like Whole, Half, Quarter, Eight and Sixteen notes ! It is essential that your rhythm here doesn't carry over when you are doing this , in other words you are not using any DOTS OR TIES ! (to make things easier for you guys).
Syncopated rhythm is opposite from Straight rhythm. You need to start your phrases on Up beat (one AND two AND three AND four AND - so you start on AND always!). It is also essential that with syncopated rhythm melodies or your solo sounds OF BEAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE !
Another trick to achieve syncopated rhythm is to use TRIPLETS. The best triplet to throw you of is Quarter note triplet !!! You can also use doted rhythms when playing syncopated melodies, in fact I highly recommend you do it (dotted quarters will work wonders here of course!).
Remember that you can also start on up beat and keep playing regular rhythm and it will sound syncopated !!!


I hope this little information and intro was very valuable for you before you start tackling your solos.


Backing track is at 140 bpm and is in A minor.

I used Latin type feel in Bass and Drums with very specific Piano sound. I hope you dig it !

Chord progression is :

// A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min / A min / B min7b5/ E7 /
/ A min7 Amin6 / A min7 Amin6 / D min7/ G7 /
/ A min / A min / A min (E7#9)/ E7#9 //




Notice how backing track has chords entering before they actually need to appear.
This is ANTICIPATION, Syncopated rhythm and Harmonic Displacement !
I moved on purpose some of the chords one eight note earlier.
See if you can spot where chords appear earlier in the chord progression.


About soloing :


- Use arpeggios (if you want and can smile.gif
- A harmonic Minor is mostly key center
- Over A min7 A min6 you can use A DORIAN MODE (G major scale)
- D min7 G7 part is A aeolian or A natural minor (A minor pentatonic if you want to simplify it)
- E7#9 you can do arpeggios or E altered scale (F melodic minor) as well as E half whole diminished scale.


I hope to hear some cool takes in this one guys. It should be lots of fun and a challenge ( I HOPE!!!).

Deadline for submitting your takes 7th of June ! I have decided to extend the deadline after receiving only couple of takes.

Let me know if you have any questions and need any help !

Enjoy the backing !


Pedja


List of participants :

1) Velvet Roger (auto sign up) - Recorded
2) Tolek (auto sign up)
3) enforcer (auto sign up)
4) wrk (auto sign up) - Recorded
5) Outlaw2112 (auto sign up) - Recorded
6) Jesse (auto sign up)
7) superize
8) berko (auto sign up) - Recorded
9) coffeeman (auto sign up)
10) sted (Recorded)
11) kaznie_NL (auto sign up) - Recorded
12) Caelumattendum - Recorded
13) JVM
14) kjutte (Recorded)
15) JamesT (auto sign up) - Recorded
16) Dexxter - Recorded
17) jdriver - Recorded
18) Oxac - Recorded
19) Pedja Simovic (Recorded)

P.S. I am providing you two guitar pro files, each with rhythm examples for Straight and Syncopated rhythms !
You can also download my solo here and in upload thread !
I included guitar pro file of my solo. Use it for analysis only and to double check your work. I strongly recommend you transcribe it before downloading it.

Lesson in HQ on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2QN33e9EI&fmt=18

or watch it bellow

Jesse
Great! This one is going to be a real challenge for me!
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Jesse @ May 19 2009, 04:10 PM) *
In!


Yes !
I also put you on auto sign up for further collabs since you mentioned it on MSN smile.gif
superize
I will give this a try
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 04:16 PM) *
I will give this a try


Awesome Superize!


I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for smile.gif
berko
I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit laugh.gif mellow.gif

This is going to be very interesting.
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:32 PM) *
I'm definitely up for this! You know I need to polish my phrasing quite a bit laugh.gif mellow.gif

This is going to be very interesting.



Haha I was waiting for you to say that !
Great Berko, I am very excited to hear how you will do with this one smile.gif
You are on the list of course !
coffeeman
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.
berko
QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.


Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list. smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (coffeeman @ May 19 2009, 04:48 PM) *
Of course I'm in , and please put me in the auto sign up list.

Beautiful backing Pedja.


You are in of course !
Thank you for complimenting backing track - I was worried it would be too much smile.gif

QUOTE (berko @ May 19 2009, 04:49 PM) *
Yes, I wanted to ask about this too. I would also like to join the auto sign up list. smile.gif


You are both on auto sign up for all future collaborations from now on smile.gif
Emir Hot
This looks like something really interesting smile.gif I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Emir Hot @ May 19 2009, 04:56 PM) *
This looks like something really interesting smile.gif I might give it a go but not sure yet. I'll let you know smile.gif


Thanks for kind words Emir, you are always welcome of course smile.gif
Let me know if you get the chance to do it !
sted
I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected laugh.gif guess thats called learning the hard way!!
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (sted @ May 19 2009, 05:12 PM) *
I'm in, though I havent got a clue what is expected laugh.gif guess thats called learning the hard way!!


Cool !


I will post now some examples of rhythm for Straight and Syncopated soloing in guitar pro smile.gif
superize
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 19 2009, 04:17 PM) *
Awesome Superize!


I will post my take today or tomorrow so you can get idea of what I am looking for smile.gif


That will certenly help since dont really understand
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (superize @ May 19 2009, 05:25 PM) *
That will certenly help since dont really understand


Great smile.gif

I just uploaded 8 bars of different straight rhythm soloing combinations.

Its on the top of the page under backing track, but you can also download it HERE


Edit : In the meanwhile I also posted Syncopated rhythm examples. Check it out on the top of the page or click HERE
kaznie_NL
I'm in wink.gif But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing laugh.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 19 2009, 07:14 PM) *
I'm in wink.gif But not with the arpeggios, that's still not my thing laugh.gif


Welcome Kaz !
I am wondering what you will come up with in this one smile.gif
JVM
I'd love to do this one smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (JVM @ May 19 2009, 08:29 PM) *
I'd love to do this one smile.gif


No problem, you are in smile.gif
kjutte
I am in!
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (kjutte @ May 20 2009, 01:36 AM) *
I am in!


Great kjutte!
Outlaw2112
This is going to be a challenging one..
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 20 2009, 02:13 PM) *
This is going to be a challenging one..


You know I am around, ask as many questions necessary smile.gif
Outlaw2112
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 20 2009, 01:20 PM) *
You know I am around, ask as many questions necessary smile.gif

you know i will... wink.gif

thanks
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 20 2009, 02:24 PM) *
you know i will... wink.gif

thanks


Cool smile.gif
You welcome!
Velvet Roger
Great backing Pedja! Will get on a take as soon as I return from holidays (this weekend) smile.gif
JamesT
I'm in.

Pedja, I thought you already had me on auto-sign-up for your collabs!
Dexxter
I'm in Pedja smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Velvet Roger @ May 21 2009, 07:43 PM) *
Great backing Pedja! Will get on a take as soon as I return from holidays (this weekend) smile.gif


Thanks Roger, glad you like the backing. I will extend the deadline probably so take your time please.

QUOTE (JamesT @ May 21 2009, 09:20 PM) *
I'm in.

Pedja, I thought you already had me on auto-sign-up for your collabs!


Jim I will put you down for sure, I can't believe I missed your auto sign up post somewhere. It will be great to have you in all future collabs !

QUOTE (Dexxter @ May 21 2009, 10:06 PM) *
I'm in Pedja smile.gif


Awesome Dexxter, welcome buddy smile.gif
jdriver
I have not officially signed up, but i've been playing around with it. Seems simple enough to play to, but the tempo is so fast, I have no idea whether I'm being syncopated or not. Could you hurry up and post your example take. Thanks.
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (jdriver @ May 22 2009, 06:08 AM) *
I have not officially signed up, but i've been playing around with it. Seems simple enough to play to, but the tempo is so fast, I have no idea whether I'm being syncopated or not. Could you hurry up and post your example take. Thanks.


No worries Jeff, I will post something today wink.gif
jdriver
Okay, I am in also.

I listened to Kaznie's preliminary take and read your comment, and I understand what you want.
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (jdriver @ May 23 2009, 08:29 AM) *
Okay, I am in also.

I listened to Kaznie's preliminary take and read your comment, and I understand what you want.


Excellent Jeff !
I will put you down on the list smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
Guys I just posted my solo for this collaboration.
You can download it HERE or go to very beginning of the thread (next to backing track and guitar pro rhythm examples. Hope you like it !
Dexxter
Sounds wonderful as always Pedja wink.gif smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Dexxter @ May 26 2009, 01:35 PM) *
Sounds wonderful as always Pedja wink.gif smile.gif


Thanks a lot Dexxter !
I am doing guitar pro for it today and will finish lesson for it by tomorrow hopefully smile.gif
Oxac
I'm in smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (Oxac @ May 26 2009, 01:38 PM) *
I'm in smile.gif


Awesome smile.gif
In !
berko
Hey, I just popped in to see what's happening in this thread and I have listened to the solo! I've finished my first take but this one makes it sound... bad tongue.gif ohmy.gif I especially liked the intro rhythmic variations and the run at the end. The tone is also very good, it's warm and natural for my ears.

I wanted to rerecord my take anyway because I messed up something with the input signal, there are lots of buzzing. I'll post the corrected one asap!
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (berko @ May 26 2009, 01:51 PM) *
Hey, I just popped in to see what's happening in this thread and I have listened to the solo! I've finished my first take but this one makes it sound... bad tongue.gif ohmy.gif I especially liked the intro rhythmic variations and the run at the end. The tone is also very good, it's warm and natural for my ears.

I wanted to rerecord my take anyway because I messed up something with the input signal, there are lots of buzzing. I'll post the corrected one asap!


Thanks Berko, I enjoy intro and ending as well biggrin.gif
Take your time with your take, I will extend the deadline by week or so smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
Guys I just posted guitar pro file of solo I submitted today.


Use it to analyze rhythms and get ideas. I strongly recommend you try to transcribe my solo by ear as it will help you identify those tricky rhythms on your own !


You can download it on the very first page along with backing track and my take.

Here is direct link for it

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...st&id=15882
Pedja Simovic
Guys I posted Youtube video for my solo, hope that helps as well.
Pedja Simovic
Guys end of month is getting near, please try to submit your takes. I will extend deadline by couple days if you need that extra time.
Thanks
superize
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 29 2009, 01:35 PM) *
Guys end of month is getting near, please try to submit your takes. I will extend deadline by couple days if you need that extra time.
Thanks


I got Saturday free so i am gonna try and do my take then
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (superize @ May 29 2009, 01:38 PM) *
I got Saturday free so i am gonna try and do my take then


Sounds great Ize smile.gif
Pedja Simovic
Guys I have decided to give you extra week for your takes. So deadline is 7th of June, please try to submit something by then.

I plan to post new collaboration for you very shortly before or after that date so keep an eye out for that as well.
kaznie_NL
Hey Pedja, I'd like to ask you to auto sign me up wink.gif

On the other hand, maybe the auto sign-up gives that people who have no time for a collaboration are in one...
Outlaw2112
QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ May 30 2009, 02:52 PM) *
Guys I have decided to give you extra week for your takes. So deadline is 7th of June, please try to submit something by then.

I plan to post new collaboration for you very shortly before or after that date so keep an eye out for that as well.

thanks... ive been very busy with life stuff lately to pick up the guitar and try to learn something new... If i do have a chance to pick it up ive been soo tired that i just want to jam and play along with some songs i know...
The extra week should help, ill try to get it done by then
Pedja Simovic
QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ May 30 2009, 04:22 PM) *
Hey Pedja, I'd like to ask you to auto sign me up wink.gif

On the other hand, maybe the auto sign-up gives that people who have no time for a collaboration are in one...


No problem Kaz, you are on auto sign up from now on smile.gif
You were always on deadline for each collab and I really appreciate that man. wink.gif

QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ May 30 2009, 05:06 PM) *
thanks... ive been very busy with life stuff lately to pick up the guitar and try to learn something new... If i do have a chance to pick it up ive been soo tired that i just want to jam and play along with some songs i know...
The extra week should help, ill try to get it done by then


Excellent John, glad extra week will help.
I am just worrying how you guys will react on next collab which I will start sometime after the deadline for this one . Hope it won't be too close together smile.gif
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