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audiopaal
Hi guys.

I recorded an intro to my initial idea, and added drums and bass..

This is what I've got so far: Click to view attachment


Please tell me what you think about it so far, what you'd like to change etc..? smile.gif
Rated Htr
Nice Intro Audio! Very melancolic entrance...At first there was a part that didn't feel right for me but I guess it was just the buffering laugh.gif

Sounds very pink floydish for some reason...The intro I mean.
Drums sound nice aswell, recording and mixing overall is nice. The second riff after the acoustic intro sounds very good, although I think the patterns for the connection could use some improvement. Do you mind explain how you recorded and what software you used, i really think your recording sounds good... smile.gif

Let's get recording more and complete songs please tongue.gif

EDIT: Sorry, only noticed it was on the virtual band section now smile.gif
Jose Mena
Awesome audiopaal great stuff, not much I could add, I'll start jamming along to your stuff see what I come up with

By the way what software do you use?


audiopaal
QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 17 2009, 01:32 AM) *
Nice Intro Audio! Very melancolic entrance...At first there was a part that didn't feel right for me but I guess it was just the buffering laugh.gif

Sounds very pink floydish for some reason...The intro I mean.
Drums sound nice aswell, recording and mixing overall is nice. The second riff after the acoustic intro sounds very good, although I think the patterns for the connection could use some improvement. Do you mind explain how you recorded and what software you used, i really think your recording sounds good... smile.gif

Let's get recording more and complete songs please tongue.gif

EDIT: Sorry, only noticed it was on the virtual band section now smile.gif


Thanks mate smile.gif
Yeah, it's a very melancholic intro but I believe it fits the song pretty good..
Pink Floydish.. THANKS, hehe biggrin.gif

I agree that the connection between intro and first riff needs a little polish.
But we've only just begun, so hopefully that'll be better in the end smile.gif


QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Sep 17 2009, 06:35 AM) *
Awesome audiopaal great stuff, not much I could add, I'll start jamming along to your stuff see what I come up with

By the way what software do you use?

Thanks a lot smile.gif
Cool, do that and let us know what you come up with!


Software used on this recording:

DAW: Cubase Studio 5

Guitar: My electric guitar through a AMT Elctronics SS-20, straight into soundcard.

Bass: My electric bass through a AMT Elctronics SS-20, straight into soundcard (Not optimal, but it works).

Drums: Steven Slate Drums 3.0

Plug-ins:
Cubase built in Compressor (just a little..) on the Output Channel, and a little EQ on some tracks.

Nothing fancy, and I haven't mixed it properly yet either..
So I'm very pleased that you guys like the sound of it now, because it'll be much better in the end hopefully biggrin.gif
MickeM
Again, great sound from the AMT
audiopaal
QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 17 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Again, great sound from the AMT

Thanks smile.gif

QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 17 2009, 01:32 AM) *
Do you mind explain how you recorded..

I believe I forgot to explain that part smile.gif

I usually start out with recording the guitars, to use tham as ghost tracks for the drums and bass..
Only one rhythm guitar is necessary.
After that is recorded, I program the drums which usually takes a while tongue.gif
When the drums are somewhat finished, I write and record the bass.
After that I re-record all the guitars to make them fit the drums perfectly.

After that I adjust volume on each track, and use small amounts of equalizer where I feel it's necessary.
I might change a few things on the drums, changing cymbals and whatnot..

When I'm all happy with this I start mixing with plug-ins and try to make the best sound I can with what I've got smile.gif



Hope this explained it properly smile.gif
Iluha
bass sounds a bit off at the intro but easy to fix.
and I also think the verse riff should end on like an higher phrase, resembling what I recorded with the bass.
other than that, I think the drums are great and the guitar sound is preety good and heavy too, this is a great start to working on this song smile.gif
audiopaal
QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 17 2009, 10:13 AM) *
bass sounds a bit off at the intro but easy to fix.
and I also think the verse riff should end on like an higher phrase, resembling what I recorded with the bass.
other than that, I think the drums are great and the guitar sound is preety good and heavy too, this is a great start to working on this song smile.gif

I play a few extra notes (octave stuff) on the bass intro, so that might be the reason why it sounds off..
I'll have a listen again at the end of the verse riff and try your suggestion, although I think it will be better if it ends on bot a high and a low E (like the last riff).. But I'll try it out and see what sounds better smile.gif

Thanks Iluha smile.gif
muntahunta
wow, im liking this more and more smile.gif

just a question though... which parts a going to require singing over?

my idea would be (from what has been recorded there)....

Intro
Riff 1 (this would be the chorus)
Riff 2 (this would be the verse)

or is there going to be more parts to it?


----------edit----------
actually after listening to it over, i think riff 1 would be an excellent verse and Riff 2 an excellent pre-chorus or break
audiopaal
QUOTE (muntahunta @ Sep 17 2009, 04:06 PM) *
wow, im liking this more and more smile.gif

----------edit----------
actually after listening to it over, i think riff 1 would be an excellent verse and Riff 2 an excellent pre-chorus or break

Thanks smile.gif

Yes, that's what I'm thinking as well!
We just need to make a kickass chorus and we're set biggrin.gif
muntahunta
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Sep 17 2009, 03:28 PM) *
Thanks smile.gif

Yes, that's what I'm thinking as well!
We just need to make a kickass chorus and we're set biggrin.gif


ill try and write a melody for the verse part so you can see the idea i have for it... the words will come later, for now i'll just make random lines lol

ok, ive done a really quick verse recording of that, obviously its not great quality, i didnt bother setting up the things i'd usually record with since were still in the writing phase. If theres any good or bad comments feel free to change things, and the lyrics are just 5 seconds worth of writing lol.

Click to view attachment
Iluha
It sounded more like a chorus than a verse.. and the second riff as a transfer to the verse.
I think the singing melody is fine for the first half of the chorus but on the other half it's just begging to change to be interesting.

Anyways I'm a bit confused, what exactly are we doing right now? are we getting like a sketch for the entire song and than start recording it seriously or what? :s
audiopaal
I liked that smile.gif

If it'll be verse or chorus we have to decide once all the riffs have been written smile.gif
I like it as a verse though, at least for now!

What are we doing right now..
We're getting the parts down and when we all agree on the riffs and the order of them we start recording seriously smile.gif
If no one else has a better plan?
muntahunta
im happy with that.... anyone heard from colonel drew?
audiopaal
QUOTE (muntahunta @ Sep 18 2009, 12:49 AM) *
im happy with that.... anyone heard from colonel drew?

No.. Haven't heard from him at all.. sad.gif

I'll be recording some more this weekend, trying to get the final parts down.
I'm going to post it here on saturday or sunday, and then we can begin discussing
what parts are good, bad, needs changing etc.. smile.gif
If anyone else has a great idea for a riff that could fit the song, please record it and post it here!

Sounds good to everyone?
Jose Mena
QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 17 2009, 02:19 PM) *
It sounded more like a chorus than a verse.. and the second riff as a transfer to the verse.
I think the singing melody is fine for the first half of the chorus but on the other half it's just begging to change to be interesting.

Anyways I'm a bit confused, what exactly are we doing right now? are we getting like a sketch for the entire song and than start recording it seriously or what? :s



I Agree with Iluha here, it is good stuff for a chorus or like a bridge. Verses should be more laid back, we want to have contrast between chorus and verses. Normally by singing lower and more laid back on the verses and by bringing out the agressive vocals or higher pitch in the chorus.

Or maybe this could be one of the verses but later on.
Jose Mena
So this is my suggestion, I had to do some drums and stuff so that you get the idea, but Audiopaals drums are fine.

So after the intro we start with the main riff, and everything should sound big, right after when the guitar goes down I say we do the riff with palm muting, I changed it a little bit but doesn't have to be this way.

The idea is to bring the song down, then the guitars come in as audiopaal played them. I had the thought that the chords should be changing so I played the riff but changed the root. This can probably be done only by the bass, the chord progression I used is a very simple one, but works, however suggestions are welcomed.

Iluha
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Sep 19 2009, 07:51 PM) *
So this is my suggestion, I had to do some drums and stuff so that you get the idea, but Audiopaals drums are fine.

So after the intro we start with the main riff, and everything should sound big, right after when the guitar goes down I say we do the riff with palm muting, I changed it a little bit but doesn't have to be this way.

The idea is to bring the song down, then the guitars come in as audiopaal played them. I had the thought that the chords should be changing so I played the riff but changed the root. This can probably be done only by the bass, the chord progression I used is a very simple one, but works, however suggestions are welcomed.

That sounds great Jose, the song starting to get a proffesional sound to it.
I like the moving bass note idea.
I recorded a rough sketch of a bassline for this recording just to hear how it will sound, there's some mistakes but I think it came out ok overall.
I included also a file of only the bass track, I don't think I alligned it perfectly in the editor, plus maybe you want to play with the sound see what you can do with it tongue.gif
audiopaal
QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 19 2009, 10:24 PM) *
That sounds great Jose, the song starting to get a proffesional sound to it.
I like the moving bass note idea.
I recorded a rough sketch of a bassline for this recording just to hear how it will sound, there's some mistakes but I think it came out ok overall.
I included also a file of only the bass track, I don't think I alligned it perfectly in the editor, plus maybe you want to play with the sound see what you can do with it tongue.gif

It's a good idea to bring the song down as Jose said, and let the bass change the pattern abit..
I'll have a look at this tomorrow and record a new demo for you smile.gif
muntahunta
jose, thats awesome smile.gif
Iluha
5 days with no progress? I think it's time to wake up people! tongue.gif
audiopaal
QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 25 2009, 11:22 AM) *
5 days with no progress? I think it's time to wake up people! tongue.gif

I know.. dry.gif
I've been sick with the flu the last 6 days, so this is my first day at work this week.
I'm going to try to record something this weekend, or latest next week smile.gif
Iluha
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Sep 25 2009, 12:22 PM) *
I know.. dry.gif
I've been sick with the flu the last 6 days, so this is my first day at work this week.
I'm going to try to record something this weekend, or latest next week smile.gif

Gah the flu is hitting everybody.. still didn't hit me but I think it probably will soon sad.gif
Hope you'r feeling better man smile.gif
audiopaal
QUOTE (Iluha @ Sep 25 2009, 02:49 PM) *
Gah the flu is hitting everybody.. still didn't hit me but I think it probably will soon sad.gif
Hope you'r feeling better man smile.gif

Thanks, feeling a lot better now smile.gif
Bot 100% healthy still, but it's getting there..

Hope you don't catch it man smile.gif
muntahunta
yea, sorry guy's ive been very busy lately, having a battle of the bands every week till next year so thats taking alot of time for preperation. still have time for this though smile.gif
muntahunta
come on guy's we cant let this one fall through sad.gif
Iluha
Where's Jose?...
audiopaal
As I said, I'm gonna record something this week implementing Joses ideas as well..
I'' post something new in a few days smile.gif

Iluha: Is he missing? biggrin.gif
Iluha
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Sep 30 2009, 08:37 AM) *
As I said, I'm gonna record something this week implementing Joses ideas as well..
I'' post something new in a few days smile.gif

Iluha: Is he missing? biggrin.gif


He hasn't posted for quite some time now, and he's supposed to lead this thing tongue.gif
Jose Mena
Hey Guys I am here

I've looked at your posts, still waiting for audiopaal's new recording

I say in the meantime we could be working on other ideas, but I just don't want to have a bunch of unfinished ideas all over
audiopaal
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 2 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Hey Guys I am here

I've looked at your posts, still waiting for audiopaal's new recording

I say in the meantime we could be working on other ideas, but I just don't want to have a bunch of unfinished ideas all over

I started recording today and I'll finish this weekend smile.gif
audiopaal
Well, here's an updated version as promised smile.gif
It starts off heavy, then calms down a bit before the hounds of my Huber unleashes hell again laugh.gif
This is by far the best mix as well, as I believe it sounds very good. Hope you like it smile.gif

I'll post the full mix as well as all the instruments as single files.
So if you want to use it for practice or as a reference, go ahead smile.gif

The tempo is 150BPM!

Full mix: Click to view attachment
Guitars only: Click to view attachment
Drums only: Click to view attachment
Bass only: Click to view attachment


So... whatcha think? smile.gif
Jose Mena
Good Stuff Audiopaal, The structure of the song is already complete, It just came to my mind if we should keep it down in the verses or at least in the first one, what do the rest think?
audiopaal
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 4 2009, 09:38 PM) *
Good Stuff Audiopaal, The structure of the song is already complete, It just came to my mind if we should keep it down in the verses or at least in the first one, what do the rest think?

Thanks smile.gif
I think we should keep it down in the next verse as well..
You mean the part that is already down, or do you mean the riff after the low crunch part?
Jose Mena
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Oct 4 2009, 03:41 PM) *
Thanks smile.gif
I think we should keep it down in the next verse as well..
You mean the part that is already down, or do you mean the riff after the low crunch part?


I mean right after we went down with no drums, when the drums come back in it should lift up but I wonder if it would be best to be somewhere in between so that there is more contrast when the chorus kicks in
audiopaal
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 4 2009, 09:54 PM) *
I mean right after we went down with no drums, when the drums come back in it should lift up but I wonder if it would be best to be somewhere in between so that there is more contrast when the chorus kicks in

Ah, I get it.. Yeah, I'll try to tone it down a bit before the chorus to make some contrast smile.gif
Hopefully I'll get the time to do it tomorrow!

You like the sound?
muntahunta
im in love with this!!! haha

I do need clarification on which parts are going to be the verse/chorus so i can start the main work on the lyrics and melody though
Iluha
I'll be honest, the sound of the recording isn't great(well, maybe except for the drums), but it doesn't really matter..
Most important thing is that we got an intro, interlude, verse and chorus, enough for a song but maybe we should think of some part c?
Jose Mena
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Oct 4 2009, 04:02 PM) *
Ah, I get it.. Yeah, I'll try to tone it down a bit before the chorus to make some contrast smile.gif
Hopefully I'll get the time to do it tomorrow!

You like the sound?


I like the sound, this gets subjective sometimes, we will deal with the mixing when have the song completed, and this is where we will have to work hard, we need as many takes as it is necessary to make this sound great. What I mean is if that a lead or a riff needs to be recorded again, we record it again.
audiopaal
Here's an "updated version" with a little lower volume before the chorus smile.gif
Oh, and the sound is better, as the last one was quite sharp!

Click to view attachment

Iluha: I mixed the guitars a bit differently this time, and I believe they sound great. So hopefully you'll like them as well, and if not I hope you can tell me why and what I should do to make them better. It does matter, because I want this song to turn out great smile.gif Oh, and the bass is your part, so make it shine biggrin.gif

I'm also thinking about writing another riff to break up the song, to make it more interesting.
I'll let you know what I got after a few days, and in the meantime you and he others are free to help me out with ideas and suggestions for how it should sound smile.gif

Munta: The first riff is the Chorus (Played as an intro). The two next ones are either verse and bridge, or interlude and verse. I vote for verse and bridge, but I'll let you decide as you're the one writing lyrics smile.gif Then the Chorus comes again at the end. Sounds good?

Oh, and if anyone has some suggestions on how to make this even better, please share smile.gif
muntahunta
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Oct 5 2009, 08:54 PM) *
Here's an "updated version" with a little lower volume before the chorus smile.gif
Oh, and the sound is better, as the last one was quite sharp!

Click to view attachment

Iluha: I mixed the guitars a bit differently this time, and I believe they sound great. So hopefully you'll like them as well, and if not I hope you can tell me why and what I should do to make them better. It does matter, because I want this song to turn out great smile.gif Oh, and the bass is your part, so make it shine biggrin.gif

I'm also thinking about writing another riff to break up the song, to make it more interesting.
I'll let you know what I got after a few days, and in the meantime you and he others are free to help me out with ideas and suggestions for how it should sound smile.gif

Munta: The first riff is the Chorus (Played as an intro). The two next ones are either verse and bridge, or interlude and verse. I vote for verse and bridge, but I'll let you decide as you're the one writing lyrics smile.gif Then the Chorus comes again at the end. Sounds good?

Oh, and if anyone has some suggestions on how to make this even better, please share smile.gif


im loving the sound of this and the structure sounds great, I have 1 suggestion though. I think the part before the chorus should be halved in length, so rather than the 16 bars, make it 8 bars. I think I could add a more punchy path into the chorus with that being a little shorter
Iluha
Well my biggest problem is the bass sound, I can't really hear what notes the bass is playing when the guitars and drums are also there, meaning I could only hear the bass part in the interlude, and rest of the time I can just hear bass frequencies.
I think it's just a matter of playing with the EQ of the tracks.

The guitar sound is a bit better but still sounds too trebly to my taste.. maybe cut a bit of the treble and add more mids?

So when do we start the recording project? I think we already got a good song idea and structure. tongue.gif

Jose Mena
Sounds like we have the song structure almost figured out, I want like one more section for a bridge where the song reaches a climax

Any ideas
audiopaal
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 6 2009, 08:31 PM) *
Sounds like we have the song structure almost figured out, I want like one more section for a bridge where the song reaches a climax

Any ideas

That's what I'm working on smile.gif
But please, if anyone have any ideas on how it should be
(as my idea might not please everyone, who knows? smile.gif), spit it out biggrin.gif
muntahunta
QUOTE (audiopaal @ Oct 6 2009, 07:57 PM) *
That's what I'm working on smile.gif
But please, if anyone have any ideas on how it should be
(as my idea might not please everyone, who knows? smile.gif), spit it out biggrin.gif


maybe after a chorus it could quieten down into a short drum/bass part maybe with some small guitar parts with lots of effects (delay/chorus, maybe a phaser? lol) and then a short stop for a beat or two, then into a powerfull booming breakdown tongue.gif followed by a chorus?
Jose Mena
Any updates guys?
audiopaal
QUOTE (Jose Mena @ Oct 13 2009, 03:52 PM) *
Any updates guys?


I've been working double shifts lately, but that's coming to an end in a few days smile.gif
So I'll have an update in a few days!

Anyone else recorded any ideas for the last part? smile.gif
audiopaal
Meh, I'm kinda stuck atm..
I'll work some more on it tonight though smile.gif

Any ideas from the rest of you guys?
muntahunta
unfortunatly not sad.gif my pod x3 just broke (well, the power cable) so ive gotta get a new one before i can record
Iluha
Nothing here man sorry sad.gif
me and my family just moved to a new house, and me and my band finished recording our first album(got masterd today)
so Iv'e been preety busy lately..
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