Songwriting Lesson

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   Hello there GMC, welcome to the Songwriting lesson! :) In this lesson we will go through one basic songwriting process and do a simple song in one key that I wrote specially for this occasion. The song itself doesn't have the lyrics so we can concentrate more on making music this time! :)

By going through this lesson we will hopefully learn some nice tips and advices on how to build our own songs in the future. You can find some nice theory explaining too.

I must say many thanks to Andrew Cockburn who helped me during the making of the lesson by doing a great narration job! Also Andrew and I have put together a Spoken Video (Slow Video 1), where Andrew gave some nice advices and directions on how to deal with this lesson the best.

So have fun composing and have fun playing guys! :)

For this lesson I chose Dmajor key. Bellow you can see the Dmajor scale along with intervals that will help you to build chords required for this lesson.



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     Lesson Questions, Feedback & Comments



Kristofer Dahl
post 6th April 2008


GMC Founder & Rocker


Awesome - just awesome! biggrin.gif I really like how the the song is built up dynamically - and I can for sure hear some killer melodies on this chord progression! Also the solo was awesome! biggrin.gif

How you invite Andrew into your lesson and connected it with theory lessons is very clever and gives great value to the lesson! Future versions of our lessons will for sure have better possibilities to connect lessons between each other.

I would invite everybody to check out all the parts carefully - as this is a very thoroughly prepared lesson.

Also - I want to say it's a great honour to have had you do more then 20 lessons for us - I think I am speaking for everyone. Thanks Ivan! biggrin.gif
Nick325
post 6th April 2008


Member


awsome job andrew and ivan smile.gif
kyldeee
post 6th April 2008


Member


This was just awesome, I loved the solo... I wish I had some recording equipment right about now, anyways great job guys, Thanks smile.gif
Bogdan Radovic
post 6th April 2008


Bass Instructor


Great songwriting lesson Ivan!! smile.gif
at lights end
post 6th April 2008


Member


cool
Tuubsu
post 6th April 2008


Member


great topic, great lesson! smile.gif
Marcus Lavendell
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Amazing!!
Juan M. Valero
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Really interesting lesson wink.gif congrats andrew and ivan !!
PassionPlay
post 6th April 2008


Member


sweet cool.gif
just what i've waited for!
Nobody
post 6th April 2008


Member


Guys, can't think of a way to thank you for this one! Really helpful for the thing that's my main songwriting problem - building harmonies.

I've got one question though. What is the logic of the interchangeable chords? Are they always I with VI and etc. or should I always look at the notes of the chords to know which ones are interchangeable?

Thanks,
Hristian
Dejan Farkas
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Wow, it is a special lesson Ivan, amazing work smile.gif
Hisham Al-Sanea
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


very welldone Ivan .nice lesson
bladzerok
post 6th April 2008


Member


wow thats really usefull!
now i will be able to add some variety to compositions!
Ivan Milenkovic
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks a lot guys. Andrew and I have tried to do something special and I hope we done it...for now. Bare in mind that this is the first lesson of this kind and although it has some minor faults here and there it will only get better - I will try to improve the overall quality and push the boundaries even further! smile.gif

@Nobody

Regarding interchangeable chords: These chords in the lesson are not a specific rule to hold on to when composing. It is merely a guideline how to develop your own harmonies. What I'm trying to say is that I gave one idea - a piece of the puzzle, you have to find all the other pieces. It is not so hard, as Andrew said these interchangeable chords contain two same notes. So musically they are very much alike. Of course this does not mean that they are the same, but it is a simple and effective way to increase the overall harmony vocabulary in an instant. Other factor when building a song must include knowledge about intervals and how do they sound and relate to one another in chords. The simplest example would be just this in the lesson. We change major third and two notes with minor third and two notes in order to develop different harmonic flavor but keep the harmony flow. Next to this - there are a lot of ways to combine different chords, choosing suspended, dominant and diminished chords in particular parts of the song, intervals in an arrangement that you'll know it will be good with the text, 7th chords maybe and power chords, not to mention all the inversions available and how you can make a melody out of top notes of any chords. All this stuff is very much alike, and I've chose the very basic chords changing rule that yo can use in order to develop your own harmonies in an intuitive way.

Soon I'll try to do one lesson about buildin two or three key jazz comping in order to develop our harmony building skills even further by developing harmony structure and character "beneath" and melody "on top". Stay with me! smile.gif
Alejandro Piņero
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


good lesson Ivan!
Thanks
DeepRoots
post 6th April 2008


Member


Awesome lesson- my songwriting sucks so- here goes!

Thanks to Ivan and Andrew for such a great lesson smile.gif
Matt23
post 6th April 2008


Member


Nice lesson Ivan and Andrew. Really like the solo.
Dashooter
post 6th April 2008


Member


great lesson, but one problem. Anybody know where I can find the chord inversions like they were saying in the 2nd part?
bham
post 6th April 2008


Member


this is really sweet, guys. I would LOVE to see more songwriting lessons; perhaps in the style of?

like, if we could get a lesson on how to write songs in the style of (RHCP, Rage, Incubus), that would really be amazing.
Ivan Milenkovic
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks a lot guys! smile.gif

@Dashooter
These are inversions that can be found up the neck. You must first go through the first part where we've explained the order of chords on the fretboard. Once you know all those chords you can find the inversions more easily.

@bham

I'll do a RHCP songwriting lesson, no problem smile.gif Hold on for a few weeks. Thanks for the idea wink.gif
Joe Kataldo
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


Great Idea biggrin.gif
Gabriel Leopardi
post 6th April 2008


GMC Coordinator & Instructor


Hey man! This is really an excelent lesson Ivan! It's a must for every guitar player that is interested in composing to know all the theory showed in this lesson.

Great work!
Pablo Vazquez
post 6th April 2008


Instructor


I agree with Gabriel... Cool lesson!!
Dashooter
post 6th April 2008


Member


"@Dashooter
These are inversions that can be found up the neck. You must first go through the first part where we've explained the order of chords on the fretboard. Once you know all those chords you can find the inversions more easily."

I still dont really understand. Aren't inversions completely new different fingerings up the neck? The root of the chord is put in a different place, right? Because I got the 2nd part and 3 part down, with the A shape and E shape.
Dashooter
post 6th April 2008


Member


oh wait, so the "inversions" of the minor chords you used at the end of the part 3 are the same minor chords as the minor chords you showed in the 2nd part with the A shape chords, or different cause they are inversions?
Dashooter
post 6th April 2008


Member


o, so they aren't really inversions, just different voicings, correct? The minor chords at the end are an octive up, but the same chords as the other minor ones.
Nighthawk
post 6th April 2008


Member


Incredible helpful lesson !!!I also think they are no inversions as the root note stays the base note...so it should be a different voicing....
Nighthawk
post 6th April 2008


Member


Incredible helpful lesson !!!I also think they are no inversions as the root note stays the base note...so it should be a different voicing....
Nighthawk
post 6th April 2008


Member


ups...should be more patient when clicking "add comment button" sorry
Trond Vold
post 7th April 2008


Instructor


This is a truly great lesson! smile.gif
IceBurner
post 6th April 2008


Member


just brilliant job here...

i was not expecting that!

Thank you very mutch.
Tiltil
post 7th April 2008


Member


Awesome lesson! Luckily I have a rhythm guitarist who takes away most of the songwriting pain, but this will help us all improve smile.gif
Nemanja Filipovic
post 7th April 2008


Singing Instructor


great lesson guys...smile.gif
adam b
post 7th April 2008


Member


Hey great lesson. That solos is very powerful over the rhythm. i was wondering if by chance you could tab out the solo? it would be a lot faster than learning it while you play it so but i will do that for now. thanks a lot i learned a lot from this lesson
Ivan Milenkovic
post 7th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks a lot guys! smile.gif

@Dashooter

In part 2 the chords are stacked up in relative to the fretboard. So when you see the left hand fretting the chords above are displayed in parallel. This is how you can find the minor chord inversions more easily.
Rolls
post 7th April 2008


Member


I am totally blown away. This lesson has it all, awesome theory, chord inversions, excellent explanations, and a kick ace solo. I would LOVE to see more lessons like this!!! This lesson pulls the theory lessons from just text to spoken words and videos...so much clearer!
Muris Varajic
post 7th April 2008


Instructor


Great idea and lesson! smile.gif
Zizi Top
post 7th April 2008


Member


happy 20th anniversary Ivan, that was really helpfull
Bravo !
Ivan Milenkovic
post 7th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks! smile.gif
Gus
post 8th April 2008


Member


This is a definitive bookmark smile.gif
I always tried it very randomly (not that this not allows for very different stuff), but it is good to understand more of the basic way of doing it.
Marcus Siepen
post 8th April 2008


Instructor (Blind Guardian)


great lesson
Kizaze44
post 8th April 2008


Member


Ivan - do you have a tab for the solo at the end?
Alex87
post 8th April 2008


Member


Beautiful Chord work Ivan! Love it
Ivan Milenkovic
post 8th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks a lot guys, it means a lot! smile.gif

@Kizaze44

I'm afraid I don't have the tab, but you can find a slower version in the slow video 10.
Carlos Carrillo
post 9th April 2008


Instructor


very nice lesson Ivan!!!
Outrageous Vin
post 9th April 2008


Member


great lesson, but i am confused about something. do the roman numerals work for every chord or does it depend on the chord.
for example, are the roman numerals I and VI or IV and II always interchangable or does it depend on the chord.
lliber
post 9th April 2008


Member


and to add to outrageous vin are II III &VI always minors when building tunes ,thanks in advance
lliber
post 9th April 2008


Member


oh yes and great lesson also
Kristofer Dahl
post 9th April 2008


GMC Founder & Rocker


Yes Ivan - this is (one again) a very impressive lesson - you are setting new standards at GMC! biggrin.gif
Ivan Milenkovic
post 9th April 2008


Instructor


Thanks Kris! smile.gif

@Outrageous Vin
I strongly suggest that you check out Andrews Theory lessons about scales if something is not clear. It is all very thoroughly explained there. To answer your question briefly - Roman numerals represent the note in the scale. On top of every note you can build chords. In every KEY (tonality) the chords are the same.

@lliber
Yes, II III and VI (degrees of a major scale) are always minor type chords because they contain a minor third interval.

eddiecat
post 10th April 2008


Member


Amazing! I'm loving it!
I hope I'm going to learn a lot from it...
Eddie
Blairkelley
post 10th April 2008


Member


Do these interchangable chords only work for the major scale? For other modulations, would we refer to the corresponding major and minor chords, however they would be in differnt positions or roman numerals.
Ivan Milenkovic
post 10th April 2008


Instructor


QUOTE (Blairkelley @ Apr 10 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do these interchangable chords only work for the major scale? For other modulations, would we refer to the corresponding major and minor chords, however they would be in differnt positions or roman numerals.


I don't really understand what your question is, my english is not so good. Can you please explain better? Thanks smile.gif
BIGD2
post 13th April 2008


Member


Very nice lesson..........thanks
Ivan Milenkovic
post 13th April 2008


Instructor


Your welcome man! smile.gif Anytime! wink.gif
Nick Kellie
post 14th April 2008


Instructor


really interesting Ivan
Paul Coutts
post 20th April 2008


Member


yeah, I'm lovin' it smile.gif


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