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ezravdb |
18th July 2007 |
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cool, I needed this
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Pavel |
18th July 2007 |
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Very nice lesson! Cool licks and nice sound!  |
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Layzer |
18th July 2007 |
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great lesson
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Kai Muehlenbruch |
18th July 2007 |
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Once again very good one Muris I like that track, a lot! And explainations are good as well! Keep emīcoming
cheers,
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The Uncreator |
18th July 2007 |
Fire Up The Blades, Moderator
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Great stuff, and some awesome licks!
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Andrew Cockburn |
18th July 2007 |
Theory Instructor & Moderator
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Cool Muris - a really nice lesson |
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John Crow |
18th July 2007 |
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hey, excellent lesson Muris!!! Gotta practice it once I back home from work  For me this is a good lesson to practice speed and a melody as well. thx 4 it. cheers |
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Speedeh |
18th July 2007 |
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Your pinky is mesmerizing. Thanks for this.
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ezravdb |
18th July 2007 |
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I remember Kris saying:
"Good guitar players can make melodies with speed. But I can't so I use them as build-ups."
Props Muris |
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Ryan |
18th July 2007 |
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i thought economy picking was a no-no. Anways, good lesson Muris.
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Muris Varajic |
18th July 2007 |
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Thanks guys,hope you can use it!! Ryan,need more explanation about no-no, think I don't understand what is a no-no  |
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Pavel |
18th July 2007 |
Instructor
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No-No means - "never use it!"
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Muris Varajic |
18th July 2007 |
Instructor
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Kristofer Dahl |
18th July 2007 |
GMC Founder & Rocker
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For me dropping economy picking was one of the best things that happened to me... I still have some practice todo, to get back on track though. However, it's obvious that economy picking is working for a lot of people! |
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Anastasio123 |
18th July 2007 |
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Cool, never understood this technique to get into it. Thanks for the lesson, Muris |
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Layzer |
18th July 2007 |
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Kris, why?
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guybrush |
19th July 2007 |
Member
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Is it better economy picking or alternate picking ?
And why?
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Muris Varajic |
19th July 2007 |
Instructor
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Both are more than just great,there's no better! You just need to decide when and how to use which one. I'm making a lesson about it at the moment  |
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Wikingman |
19th July 2007 |
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i cant really say that i understand whatīs so economy about this picking? im dazed and confused
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Andrew Cockburn |
20th July 2007 |
Theory Instructor & Moderator
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i cant really say that i understand whatīs so economy about this picking? im dazed and confused What it comes down to, is that you are saving yourself from reversing pick direction when you change strings. This is supposed to help with speed and smoothness, though some argue at the expense of overall tone. This is a devisive subject in guitar circles usually
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Toofister |
20th July 2007 |
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I may be mistaken but my understanding of economy picking was playing a same string in the same direction up or down twice or more times. It seems to me that muris is picking alternate at times while economically inserting triad sweep like patterns. Which in my opinion would make it easier and quicker to play it that way. I will definately have to study the patterns more though to learn them, thanks muris for the lesson.
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Andrew Cockburn |
20th July 2007 |
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Economy picking is related to sweeping - the economy comes in when you switch strings. At all other times it is the same as alt picking.
Say you were playing 2 notes on your b string then a note on your g string ...
Alt picking would be D,U - move upwards to g string - D
Economy picking would be D,U,U (whilst moving to G string)
In this example, you move the pick up to switch strings, so in alt picking you are making an up/down movement when you switch strings and pick the note. In economy picking you combine moving from one string to the next with the picking stroke which is more econmical in movement terms, hence the name.
Its attractors say that this gives you better speed with less wasted movement, whilst its detractors say that without a strict up/down movement you lose rhythm and cannot play as precisely.
Me - I'm neutral as I can't alt pick fast enough for it to matter yet, although a couple of experiments confirm the speed AND the loss of precision for me, so you get to choose, speed or precision.
Oh, and both sides of the argument can cite master shredders who use their technique, so I guess at the end it comes down to preference, and as ever, practice
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Muris Varajic |
20th July 2007 |
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Yeah,Andrew gave fine explanation again I would just say that example of two notes on B and one on G shall be D and U,not actually D,U and U. That's one move when you're on speed. Of course in slow videos I did it as two hits just to show move of pick,but it's one hit indeed. |
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Andrew Cockburn |
20th July 2007 |
Theory Instructor & Moderator
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Yeah,Andrew gave fine explanation again I would just say that example of two notes on B and one on G shall be D and U,not actually D,U and U. That's one move when you're on speed. Of course in slow videos I did it as two hits just to show move of pick,but it's one hit indeed. Heh! Serves me right for trying to explain something I can't really do - listen to Muris, he is the expert as he has shown  So, how about Down, Up, Further up in the same movement? That's what I meant, whcih yes, is Down, Up
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Muris Varajic |
20th July 2007 |
Instructor
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You got me on this one Andrew,sorry  |
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Andrew Cockburn |
20th July 2007 |
Theory Instructor & Moderator
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You got me on this one Andrew,sorry Nah, you can play it, I can't - I'm just talking about it
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Muris Varajic |
20th July 2007 |
Instructor
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But it is great technique don't you think?? There's a small lick in my Improvisation video, 3 nps run,played economy,sounds nice.. |
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Andrew Cockburn |
20th July 2007 |
Theory Instructor & Moderator
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But it is great technique don't you think?? There's a small lick in my Improvisation video, 3 nps run,played economy,sounds nice.. Yeah, I have a pattern of runs I am working on and I'm trying it both ways to see which I like the best - as always its best to have as many techniques as possible under your belt and that was a great lesson Muris
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Muris Varajic |
20th July 2007 |
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Jeff |
30th July 2007 |
Member
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Muris -great lesson. Do you have any Frank Gambale influences here? He has a speed picking video that has some similar instruction. And incredible speed! Excellent! |
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Muris Varajic |
30th July 2007 |
Instructor
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Frank Gambale mastered this kind of picking a long time ago, so he's a big influence here for sure. Regarding to speed,I'll do more complex and faster stuff with economy picking in next lessons,I promise! Thanks for kind comment!! |
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Juan M. Valero |
14th September 2007 |
Instructor
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OMG, Excelent lesson as always !!! I need more time to study your exercices  |
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Muris Varajic |
15th September 2007 |
Instructor
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Holy,looks like you're really hitting on my lessons Juan,thanks a lot!! |
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Carlos Carrillo |
18th March 2008 |
Instructor
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excellent lesson muris!!!!!
thanks
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KWEST |
23rd April 2008 |
Member
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In some situations, like for me recently in learning Muris' Extreme Neoclassical lesson, it would be nearly impossible to play some of the licks quickly without using economy picking, especially the fast descending licks seem to almost force you to economy pick, also sweeps come off of economy picking more naturally, so a hard rule always to alternate pick might not be practical - just my 2 cents worth about the discussion alternate vs. economy. Great lesson, by the way, as always.
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Hammerin Hank |
1st May 2008 |
Member
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I am going to spend a while trying to pull this technique off but I love the challenge!!
Thanks for creating all the great lessons Muris
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Muris Varajic |
1st May 2008 |
Instructor
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Cheers guys,appreciate it.  |
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Hammerin Hank |
1st May 2008 |
Member
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Hey Muris I just checked out junk medley.......damn man!! Unreal composition, I love at 2:20 the VH tempo change, you have my vote.
Good luck
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Muris Varajic |
1st May 2008 |
Instructor
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Thanks Hank,much appreciated!!
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